The biggest problem with the wars and interference is the incompatibility of "our" way with their way.

And there is more.

I'm sure of many thinks, that extremism, such as extremist religion and extremist state laws and human rights abuses plays a major role why would most Americans support the idea of "bringing democracy" to these countries.

The biggest problem is, that "our way" is not necessarily compatible and not just that, but "our way" might have became a lot worse, since our economy is the one crumbling, our human right laws are flawed and our jails are full of criminals. This is what they see from overthere and of course they don't want something similar, because they will just point the finger and say "Look, you tell us that it's horrific to execute people and yet you do the same. You say, our protests were broken up by violent force of the police and yet you do the same (G20 protest). You tell us, that we are extreme, and yet you fill up the jails with people. You tell us that our religion is violent, and yet yours aren't far, since you are the ones who bomb and imprision innocent people who got nothing to do with world affairs. "

So what I'm trying to say is...maybe "our way" of life is just as flawed (if not as much) and it is quite hypocratic to try to force such ideology and system to others who got something else.

Also about the cultural, ideological, traditional differences. The reason of the violence regarding Israel and the rest is, basically just that. Israel tries (tried) to maintain a system which is based on western ideas and western style living in the middle of a place, where everything else is sharply different. Jordan has a king, Syria is the same, Iran is an Islamic Republic. This is why the Jewish state fails..because it's too small of a boat in the sea of an entirely different culture, which developed differently but highly compatible to region itself and Israel sticks out as a sore thumb. And this is even a bigger issue, than whether or not Jewish religion differences versus Islam, since many Islamic countries still have quite large Jewish diaspora, even iran has over 60,000 Jews living there since Babylonian times. So it's not really the question of religion or belief (Both Islam and Jewish are Abrahamic religions anyway so we aren't talking about sharp differences like Christianity and Buddhism for example) .
The problem is, that after WWII, the Jews who left Europe and formed a state, they brought the European style ideology and used force to gain enough power and land and tried to exist. Unfortunately those Jews who started this, are really not compatible to the region, since they are more European than Middle-Eastern, save the original population who lived there already.

So anyway, that's just an example, of how different traditions and governmental-political-ideological systems can be completely incompatible and forcefully trying to change a state or a country will incite bloodshed and hate, no matter what.

The Middle-East is a hard nutshell to crack..and while we can keep sending thousands upon thousands of troops, it will make a little or no difference. The Afghanistan war or the Iraq war are like a milkdrop into a coffee. You try to change the coffee color to milky-coffee but 2-3 drops will just disappear in the whole cup without making any differences. That's why even if Iraq has a puppet president who support western ideas and even if the Afghan war would be won and a new Honest (not Karzai) president would be sitting there, It might not last long, due to the incredible force of thousands of years of traditions and cultural values and they might just sweep it out within years and everything goes back to what it was or something close to it.

-Well, don't take that the wrong way, I'm not trying to reference it anyway to skin color or ethnicity, i'm just trying to find a metaphorical example.

So how to change them?

Well, how about by an example of ourselves instead of wars?

If USA (or EU) want others to change, you aren't supposed to be using force, because then that becomes the example itself. What we gotta do is to show an example of non-aggression and work on our own problems and work out or own problems and try to leap forward from this staleness and violent behavior.
I can almost guarantee you, that good example without violent interference will definitely make others to follow much quicker than forcing them to swallow a pill, that we wouldn't even swallow either.

We are all like monkeys actually, more appropriately apes.. and as you know apes like to imitate each other..and if one is able to do more than the other, the rest will follow.

That dot is not nearly hot enough.

all well and good

I personally dig Iranians and know several

but if we talk about the lovey dovey Iran

we also have to talk about Hezbollah and Hamas which are both Iranian puppets

shipload of rockets and missiles ans wepons and hand grenades intercepted by the Israelis just this week with Iranina shipping seals

what about Mamoud Imanutjob and his "wipe Israel off the map" rhetoric?

Could have sworn that Duck Hawks, while in dive, could break speeds of 127 mph. Pretty sure that was in the old 1971 Encyclopedia's we had.



Just so I can add at least one piece of good info, the average Great Horned Owl lives to be 6 years old. (I miss having Chester in the barn.)

Negative. Because it does not take 2 to love. 1 can love alone.

Wave equations aren't much good for visualization. The "clouds" at
least show how "non circular" the probability shells are. Maybe a
diagram of the shells instead of an actual micrograph would be clearer.



Is this one better?

Do you really need the answer to that question?

The only answer I find valuable is that we do indeed have control over our own lives. All the rest is superfluous ponderings.

Smiless, your post was entertaining...lol