One more thing; I dont need you to point out my problems.

Abracadabra, you are obviously a pagan (not a personal attack) and that has to be allright, there has to be room for us all. I appreciate the fact that you are willing to speak your mind and question our beliefs, I think that education and dialog can come from a spirited exchange of ideas. I do not want to silence you, or kill you, I am pleased that someone is challanging me, and that someone is challanging the way things are. That being said, I think its fair to understand that we are on opposite sides of this argument, and that maybe someone can benefit from the things that we are saying. I didnt call you a coward, I dont know you to make such a judgement, but I did call your attacks cowardly as I thought they were. However you are entitled to your viewpoint, especially because you share it, but I respctfully dissagree. I am certainly a believer in the ressurection of Jesus, and we can go back and forth respectfully in the name of truth, I have nothing to hide.

I can see that your true colors are coming out. I did insinuate without saying it that you were a coward, because you insinuate without saying it that I, and all other christians (as if we all agree on everything) are murderers who kill everyone who doesnt get with the program. You claim that history is on your side but you only tell one side of history, your side. I dont care what you think, but you are attacking strangers (you dont know any of us) from a safe position and I find that cowardly.

Morningsong you are a breath of fresh air.

Now abaracadabra; I dont accept everything about Islam but I would never attack them with the virulence that you attack christians, (as a united group who agree on everything) because that would be bigoted and cowardly. Also, even if you present yourself as a man of education you are not the final authority on this subject, so when you say that christians are "serial killers" and that we kill everyone who doesnt accept the Bible, I reject this as a cowardly attack.

Now abaracadabra; I reject your response that Jesus never claimed to be GOD, fact is that is the reason he was executed; for blasphemy(claiming to be GOD). Not that you care, but here are some of the verses; John 10,vs30, and 17vs21 same book. There are others, but these are enough for now. He did claim to be GOD. Now if you admit that he was here but you question everything else about him, then the burden of proof (that he didnt claim to be GOD, rise from the dead, heal the sick) is on you. If he was here, and you accept some of his teachings while rejecting others, then you are making it up to suit your own personal religion. In this day and age that is common, everyday, like a commercial on tv.

Boy, I just got home from work and Im wondering where I should start. Ruth first since she was first; Ruth, a great many people have been murdered in the name of religion as you have said, according to those who tell history. However if you investigate you will find that the motive was more likely greed, money and power with religion being the excuse. So what are you saying? That because of this, Jesus couldnt have risen from the dead? Or that those murderers whom you described speak for all believers? Are we all killers and acompalices?

My point is that if he rose from the dead then all the things about christians being serial killers(and Im talking about abaracadabras post) is nothing more then a personal attack on christians, whom he all lumps together as if we are all one group responsible for all of the evil in the world (and I dont think Im exaggerating when I say that). If he rose from the dead, then we should be listening to him, and that is the reason that the Bible is the most popular book in history.

Anybody? At a time when only 3% of the people were literate there is no way just anybody could have written the 66 books of the current cannonization of the Bible, dont be ridiculous.
The fact remains that Jesus was a literal person, not a myth like superman. Also, the stories we are talking about (miracles) were circulating undisputed in his own lifetime. He was famous for doing miracles even among the romans.
Furthermore this evidence is supported by many eyewitness accounts of his ressurection by notable people who are famous in history and whose reputations are above reproach. So if you have some new evidence Im all ears, but otherwise you are opposing history if you say there was no ressurection.

You people are tripping. The death and ressurection of Jesus is the most well documented event in history starring the most important person in all of history. There have been almost 2000 years to prove he did not walk out of the grave, no proof has been forthcoming, and based on the fact that many people claiming to be eyewitnesses to a risen Jesus went to horrible deaths clinging to eyewitness firstperson accounts of a risen Jesus the burden of proof is, has been, and will remain on you to show me that he did not rise from the grave. You people think you are so smart, but I dont think so.

By the way I question your supposed facts, your retelling and simplification of history, your motives and your conclustions. Anyone who listens to you about a subject so deep as this will get the same thing you have; nothingness.

That was a nonanswer; and a cowardly one at that. If you are going to attack with venomous virulent rhetoric then I demand an answer. Did Jesus rise from the dead?

I dissagree. Lets get right to the meat of this; did Jesus rise from the dead or didnt he?

No, being slain in the spirit is not biblical, its actually from India, its called shacktapari, and christians who have had this done to them have reported negative side effects.

Tribo, I am in awe of your animation. What a way to make your point.

Let me clear this up for everyone; there is no rapture. The jews didnt get raptured out of Egypt, or out of the hands of the Romans or the Nazis. In fact, nothing like a rapture has ever happened to any group of people but lets examine this ridiculous belief. What about all the christians driving on the freeway when the rapture comes? What about christian airline pilots in flight when the rapture comes? What about christian surgeons in surgery when the rapture comes? What about the children? Do they all go or only the children of christians? Are is it only christian children?
Furthermore there is no scriptural evidence of a rapture, only of a second coming. If Jesus returns to rapture christians, that would be three apearances. A third coming.
Also, its racist to even suggest that Obama is the antichrist because thats another myth. The word antichrist only appears in one book, 2John which was a personal letter and only 13 verses long. In the book the word antichrist is used to describe more then one person and specifically people who were alive at the writing of 2John.
The rapture is a grown up fairy tale for those who dont know the Bible and cannot deal with the simple realities of life.

You people are something else. Everytime the truth is told about christmas, your replies are basically that you will do whatever you want to with the truth. If you are told the truth but you wont accept the truth then the truth is wasted on you, and you are making up your religion as you go along. What are you going to do when you hear the truth about easter? Probobly ignore the truth proving that you cant handle the truth.

That was very well spoken, people are going to believe what they want to believe.

Am I to understand that there are 2 types of christians then? Spirit filled born again christian believers and "JUST CHRISTIANS"? Are there also different levels of salvation? What is the difference between christians?

Once again, what are you saying? That those who dont agree with you are not spirit filled? That I dont have the HOLY SPIRIT because the truth is more important to me then the traditions of men? And again, you havent met everyone who is spirit filled and so its condescending for you to speak for adults who have a relationship to JESUS that you havent met and who may not agree with you.