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Understanding global warming, suitable for age 4 and up:
Take a glass of water and put ice in it so some is coming out the top, but it does not touch the bottom, just like the ice caps. Let it thaw. Notice it doesnt overflow...because the ice was already displacing itself in its solid form. Thats whats so funny about the global warming science, a child can prove its bunk as far as man having anything to do with it, and furthermore it raises crop yields and allows farming farther north. Generally periods of warming increase prosperity, a warming trend ended the dark ages...gee, wonder what factories we warmed the atmosphere back then with?.. |
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By the way, how do you sleep at night knowing you always made a profit and all those people are starving right now? Unless you gave it all to charity and live in a cardboard box Im smelling some hypocrisy here... It's not an all or nothing proposition-- I can honestly point to the fact that it's almost unknown for people in the United States to die of starvation. And where does the money come from to accomplish that? From, as you're fond of saying, the point of a gun, or from a society that recognizes that taxation with representation can accomplish many great things? So if you're into scratch-n-sniff, you might want to recalibrate your own arguments. 'Cause the rich in Mexico have to live behind their own private little armies, bristling with barrels of guns to protect themselves from the poor. -Kerry O. Its funny you should bring that up. Most soup kitchens and homeless shelters are run by private groups from private donations. We could easily fund a network of private clinics for those who feel a moral duty to give healthcare to all. This way they dont trample on the rights of their fellow citizens. The people involved care about the issue because they often volunteer, so there is far better work done on a problem that way, as opposed to government employees who are notoriously rude and unhelpful. |
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National debt clock
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What you call deregulation is usually less regulation or different regulation. Americans dont have a fetish about not paying taxes. Its about not paying excessive taxes. Free lunch? If you are making analogies here the proper one would be you sit down at a barbeque restaurant and get offered a 500 dollar kobe steak or a thousand dollar rare asian fish. Upon complaining you dont want either and cannot afford either they pick one and bring it to you and have you jailed and/or take your house for not paying the bill. Then they smile and ask "what is your problem? why do you have such a problem paying restaurant bills?" We dont mind taxes for the few small functions of government. What we dont want is a progressive income tax system ripped from the pages of the communist manifesto. We also dont want the government to invent endless new departments and force us to fund them. First, your analogy is patently absurd. Because you live in a society where everyone owns a piece of your hypothetical restaurant, you do have some veto power and you have the courts. I find it curious that you chose a business to use act as the heavy in your analogy. So often people say 'The government should run exactly like a business'. Well, what happens every time a business gets its most craven wish, to be a monopoly that has a corner on the market? Luckily, the blueprint of our political institutions have circuit breakers and check valves built in to keep any one man from becoming CEO for life. I have a better deal on analogies today, free to the first 300 million customers-- your government is more like a fulcrum than a restaurant run by shakedown artists. Your participation is your leverage that allows you to live in a society where the trains run on time, criminals are segregated. But fulcrums work on the principle of Mechanical Advantage, so you don't get something for nothing. There is still a price to pay for keeping those trains running on time-- it's just applied more efficiently than you could do on your own without the leverage. I can tell already you're not convinced (how prescient of me, huh?:)-- well I have an even better deal for ya. Pull up tent stakes and move to Somalia. They don't have taxes there because they don't have no steekin' government. What? It doesn't sound so wonderful? Well, yes, there is that thing about your having to give up your present vocation because I doubt the power plants there consist of more than bicycle-powered generators, but at least you wouldn't have the IRS poking a gun in your face. -Kerry O. Is there some sort of genetic defect in certain people that causes an inability to see taxation as an all or nothing affair? We are not being indebted by limited and decentralized government as described in the constitution. There is no constitutional authority for the vast majority of what the federal government currently does. We dont want a socialist utopia and a marxist tax structure. Doesnt mean we dont mind paying for some things, and if your going to tax, do it this way: www.fairtax.org |
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National debt clock
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Oh and the japanese are so much better! They tortured my best friends grandfather and that wasnt very long ago. Im so reassured knowing the japanese have a bunch, coincides nicely with the rebirth of the shinto worship by japanese rulers..lol..
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I am a fruitist
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Wow, I guess the allusion went way over their heads, I thought they removed it, just moved it.
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all the rhetoric and hatespeech is almost as bad (not quite) as that surrounding Lincoln and look what happened to him Maybe if Lincoln hadn't done so many unconstitutional and illegal things, he wouldn't have been shot.  Amen to that. Sic Semper Tyrannus |
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By the way, how do you sleep at night knowing you always made a profit and all those people are starving right now? Unless you gave it all to charity and live in a cardboard box Im smelling some hypocrisy here... It's not an all or nothing proposition-- I can honestly point to the fact that it's almost unknown for people in the United States to die of starvation. And where does the money come from to accomplish that? From, as you're fond of saying, the point of a gun, or from a society that recognizes that taxation with representation can accomplish many great things? So if you're into scratch-n-sniff, you might want to recalibrate your own arguments. 'Cause the rich in Mexico have to live behind their own private little armies, bristling with barrels of guns to protect themselves from the poor. -Kerry O. Look, if you advocate using armed force to confiscate wealth from your neighbor to accomplish charity we have a fundamental different view. I think charity should be voluntary, not legislated. Mexico is a socialist country and by fomenting class warfare for political gain for a few decades now their liberals are forced to pay people like me to protect them. Why you want to bring that about here is beyond me. |
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barack obama
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Well as someone posted that we are sore losers, that one has no clue. It's his policies that I abhor. I don't hate him, I don't hate, but I hate everything he stands for. I didn't vote for him because he is black, I didn't vote for him because his soul is. Go ahead folks call me a racist, it's apparent some don't know what that is.  Did you bother to review your comment. You just said you didn't vote for him because his is black. Had to do a double take.. You start out by saying 'I don't hate', then say but 'I hate' everything he stands for. Your anger comes through loud and clear. 'Some' folks 'are' sore losers, 'some' were when Bush became president, didn't mean the weren't right in some way. But they were still sore losers. I lost with the Bush presidency and I was pretty sore breifly. I just tend to believe you suck it up and move on until things come around again. It's interesting that the standard line now is I just hate his policies. Well hell so what? I hated Bush policies, I had to get over it and accept he was president and again, move on. Seems like folks can't allow the folks that voted for this president the right to have their day, as Bush Voters had theirs. Oh by the way some of us very much do know what racism is, and especially people close to my age by 10 to 20 years, it's the attitudes that people didn't used to deny because they were so blatant publically. Now it's kept more between friends and family, though some are still blatant enough to be obnoxious in public. It's just now people don't want their dislike of his policies to be clouded by the fact that they 'might' also be racist. Others don't want their views clouded by racism and they are not racist, however those that are make them look bad. But enough people don't like his policies to make it less of an argument. Life isn't fair, but neither is voting for a president people like and respect and have others say nothing but negative derogatory things about him. Life isn't fair, that's for sure. Uh yes I reviewed my post, ok let's try this, I voted against barack hussein obama not because he is black but because his soul is. Oh I stand corrected, I don't hate people but I hate things they do. there, better? Haha you got that right, life isn't fair and I never claimed it was. If it was we would be able to overhaul our whole political system because that sure isn't fair. I never said you or all don't know what the meaning of racism is. If you are one of the ones that call us conservatives a racist because we dislike the liberal's socialist president, then yes, if not, then don't worry about it. Uh-oh, is the thought police around the corner?   I don't understand - "his soul is black". Btw, he's not a socialist president. That's what's great about a free Country, I can believe barack hussein obama is a socialist while you don't. The freedom for all opinions whether we like them or not.  Well, he's not the true definition of a socialist. What do you mean by black soul, btw? Edit: Ooops, I see that you posted it elsewhere. I'll go read it. lol You dont want to patronize people but they still make you! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What are you talking about? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If the webster definition isnt a true enough definition, you have lost all intellectual honesty. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ We don't put people down here. It's rude. I didnt put you down, Im just sarcastic and I know you actually know he is a socialist and the whole lot of it, youre just too stubborn to admit it. |
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barack obama
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I'm not particularly replying to anyone just stating my own stuff. Ok, start off from the assumption, that Obama is not here to destroy you or USA or do something that is harmful to the people. If someone can't get this into his or her head, you got problems, and I can see that if people are unable to process this single fact, then there is no point to try to argue or explain anything beyond it. Thats the problem, you start of with a false assumption. He is part of an ideology that wants to "fundamentally restructure america". That is a direct quote. Many of us vehemently disagree with this idea, we like our quaint little constitution that has protected us better than anything chartered elsewhere in the world. We like our economic system that makes us the most properous country in the world, our poverty level has a higher standard of living than the average european! If you cannot get into YOUR head how different his ideals are from our constitution you have problems. Problems understanding what a limited federal government is. Problems recognizing the threat to freedom and prosperity facing our country. The lion has tackled us, the other gazelles long eaten. And you would like to fundamentally restructure to your liking. Couldn't be that we just see things differently.. You don't accept my view, and I do not accept yours. I don't have a problem with that. Nite nite... I dont want to fundamentally alter anything, I am for preserving freedom. I dont want any laws to force you to do or not do almost anything, so long as you dont infringe on someones property of hurt/kill them. Theres no place left to run for us, all of you guys have canada, england, venezuela, china, many places you can live out your socialist dream. Why not leave us with this one last little spot we can be free. Pretty Please? |
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This is the most absurd logic I have ever seen! Oh c'mon! It is a very sick and twisted view....equating health care to slavery? What a joke. I also find it interesting how you will not respond to the question about your own health insurance coverage. Nationalized health care can be equated to slavery in that the user is at the whim of the government because the government is in control of the service and the money. If I didn't answer the question, I accidentally overlooked it. I mostly received help from family and friends (like responsible people should), and I am working on finding a way to get off of what little assistance I've needed. I'm a sort of "victim of bad luck", but I choose to work for independence rather than whine (I won't get into the specifics, as that is irrelevant to the argument). Where I come from, receiving help from family and friends is NOT being responsible. Doing it on my own is being responsible to me. The family is societies safety net. Its not about responsibility at all, its a family obligation to take care of their own. If one of them becomes an irresponsible crackhead, however, you might have to cut them off. You missed the point of the conversation. The conversation was about responsibility. Responsibility for what? Health care. I dont know what kind of family you come from but I make sure mine is taken care of and I dont intend to sick the government on my neighbors to accomplish that goal. Responsible for himself. Yes, you're right. You don't know what kind of caring family that I came from. By your logic I can go stick a gun in their face or have a government agent do it to procure their house from them because shelter is a human right and some people have no homes right? They are loving as you say, correct? Or is it only good for you to advocate that fate for us? What kind of analogy is that? Whatever are you talking about? My comment was "Where I come from, receiving help from family and friends is NOT being responsible. Doing it on my own is being responsible to me." Now you have me and my family doing all of that?  No you are advocating a law that would empower the government to extort money at gunpoint from your neighbors to pay for your own health care or someone elses. Sure we dress it up a bit, but if I dont want to pay, they come with guns. |
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Responsibility is not receiving help from family and friends, responsibility is taking care of it on your own, to hear the republican/conservatives tell it. Of course not one of the conservative/republicans that I know got where they are without help from someone. They got grants for school, help from family, help from the government for housing or whatever, etc... Not one of those fiscally conservatives did it alone like they claim everyone else should do. Hypocrits. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Well this is twice we can agree on something . I take this a step farther to. all the rich from old times stole there money . and as far as rights go . once the congress passes this law it well be or right to medical care of some sort . But I finally heard Obama say what its going to cost . and yes you well have no choice . if your a low income worker say $60,000. a year you well pay 13% of your gross . then a per cent of the charge . its the reason I wanted the government to make insurance illegal . when doctors had to compete there prices would have to come down to where we can afford it . the per cent is at least another 20% .... Now here we go. I totally agree on the mere existence of insurance for health being the problem. We need to pay money and see where it goes. Its like withholding tax, they know youd never scratch out a check for several grand so they get you that way. You would never pay 10 buck for an asprin, but they charge your insurance that all day long. |
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In an attempt to get this thread back on topic, and since many of you anti-anti's often quote or refer back to the founding fathers, consider this. Our Founding Fathers cited the need to interpret the Constitution in light of changing circumstances. Thomas Jefferson wrote, "I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." Our rights have changed over time. Get used to the idea and quit living in the past.  One thing I am sure of is he did not write that in support of confiscatory taxation to accomplish the goals of a political philosophy that intends to abolish the constitution in the end. No new discovery or changing time has led to a place where socialism works. In fact its already killed at least 100million in the last century. I would prefer to leave it on that bonepile and not resurrect it. |
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barack obama
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Well as someone posted that we are sore losers, that one has no clue. It's his policies that I abhor. I don't hate him, I don't hate, but I hate everything he stands for. I didn't vote for him because he is black, I didn't vote for him because his soul is. Go ahead folks call me a racist, it's apparent some don't know what that is. Did you bother to review your comment. You just said you didn't vote for him because his is black. Had to do a double take.. You start out by saying 'I don't hate', then say but 'I hate' everything he stands for. Your anger comes through loud and clear. 'Some' folks 'are' sore losers, 'some' were when Bush became president, didn't mean the weren't right in some way. But they were still sore losers. I lost with the Bush presidency and I was pretty sore breifly. I just tend to believe you suck it up and move on until things come around again. It's interesting that the standard line now is I just hate his policies. Well hell so what? I hated Bush policies, I had to get over it and accept he was president and again, move on. Seems like folks can't allow the folks that voted for this president the right to have their day, as Bush Voters had theirs. Oh by the way some of us very much do know what racism is, and especially people close to my age by 10 to 20 years, it's the attitudes that people didn't used to deny because they were so blatant publically. Now it's kept more between friends and family, though some are still blatant enough to be obnoxious in public. It's just now people don't want their dislike of his policies to be clouded by the fact that they 'might' also be racist. Others don't want their views clouded by racism and they are not racist, however those that are make them look bad. But enough people don't like his policies to make it less of an argument. Life isn't fair, but neither is voting for a president people like and respect and have others say nothing but negative derogatory things about him. Life isn't fair, that's for sure. Uh yes I reviewed my post, ok let's try this, I voted against barack hussein obama not because he is black but because his soul is. Oh I stand corrected, I don't hate people but I hate things they do. there, better? Haha you got that right, life isn't fair and I never claimed it was. If it was we would be able to overhaul our whole political system because that sure isn't fair. I never said you or all don't know what the meaning of racism is. If you are one of the ones that call us conservatives a racist because we dislike the liberal's socialist president, then yes, if not, then don't worry about it. Uh-oh, is the thought police around the corner? I don't understand - "his soul is black". Btw, he's not a socialist president. That's what's great about a free Country, I can believe barack hussein obama is a socialist while you don't. The freedom for all opinions whether we like them or not. Well, he's not the true definition of a socialist. What do you mean by black soul, btw? Edit: Ooops, I see that you posted it elsewhere. I'll go read it. lol You dont want to patronize people but they still make you! * Main Entry: so·cial·ist * Pronunciation: \ˈsō-sh(ə-)list\ * Function: noun * Date: 1827 --------->1 : one who advocates or practices socialism 2 capitalized : a member of a party or political group advocating socialism ------------So then: * Main Entry: so·cial·ism * Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\ * Function: noun * Date: 1837 ---------->1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods<---------- 2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state ---------->3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done<------------ ---------- If the webster definition isnt a true enough definition, you have lost all intellectual honesty. |
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barack obama
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I'm not particularly replying to anyone just stating my own stuff. Ok, start off from the assumption, that Obama is not here to destroy you or USA or do something that is harmful to the people. If someone can't get this into his or her head, you got problems, and I can see that if people are unable to process this single fact, then there is no point to try to argue or explain anything beyond it. Thats the problem, you start of with a false assumption. He is part of an ideology that wants to "fundamentally restructure america". That is a direct quote. Many of us vehemently disagree with this idea, we like our quaint little constitution that has protected us better than anything chartered elsewhere in the world. We like our economic system that makes us the most properous country in the world, our poverty level has a higher standard of living than the average european! If you cannot get into YOUR head how different his ideals are from our constitution you have problems. Problems understanding what a limited federal government is. Problems recognizing the threat to freedom and prosperity facing our country. The lion has tackled us, the other gazelles long eaten. |
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barack obama
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I have not been to every country but Ive been to quite a few. Ive lived in LA, Chicago, Florida, and been to most other states. Everywhere I have ever been there is a natural tendency to group with your own race and pursue a common interest. You know when europe was divided by regional warfare, and constant violence between warring factions - many of whom could not even speak their enemies language - it was probably inconceivable to them that one governing body would politically unite the entire continent. I'm not saying its a good thing, nor progress, but at least in terms of violence, people of that time would find the modern european continent inconcievable in its (relatively) peaceful (relative) unity. I think your view here is too narrow, and you ascribe to much to 'innate' qualities of humans. It seems to me that children left to their own devices are more likely to be fasinated by differences (wow! his hair is different!) between the races then they are to band together into racially divided groups. Just because something is 'common' does not make it 'natural', nor does it make it 'innate'. You mention how you understand the feelings of black people who lived under jim crow - it sounds like you recognize that everything that we are today is influenced by who we have been in recent decades, recent centauries. I am not trivializing it. I simply accept it. I am not trivializing death but I recognize the folly of trying to eliminate death. I'm sure you will agree that there are degrees of racism, and that its not only possible, but desirable, to eliminate certain forms/degrees/manner of expression of racism - such as, as you mention, genocide. So theres no racism in europe? The creation of the EU has driven the rise in far right politics. I heard nazis won their first seat in germany since hitler. Every action has a reaction. I think you are far too optimistic about humanity. It is simply the calm before the storm. As europes muslim population grows, there will be more unrest, more racial hatred. I hate to burst your bubble but its getting worse, not better. Also there are many cultural commonalities among the caucasians, and they pretty much absorbed their forebearers. There is common religion, and they all speak english for the most part, even if they have their national language. Europe is not the inner city, central america, africa, asia, etc. Furthermore I like everyone different. I like spicy thai food and ice cream, but not in the same bowl. Most efforts to take down racial boundries are ploys to render everyone more easily governned and tend to destroy the cultures of both groups. I want black, red, white, yellow. not some sick world order where everyone is mocha and all the worlds culture has been boiled down to fit neatly in our little civilized western box. Multiculturalism is a codeword for genocide. Ah yes, heaven forbid we ... oh never mind, it's not worth it. If you want to stop racism I suggest as a first step to unite against race baiting by claiming your critics have no basis except racism for their beliefs. It is the number one catalyst for racial tension right now in this country. Heaven forbid we...what....respect our differences by not trying to force everyone to be the same? |
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barack obama
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I only speak for myself but am very involved in politics and I can say the following are common things alot of people share with me about obama. During the election we were warned he was a radical and a marxist. Of course this met with some allusion to j edgar hoover and some snickers and something about how crappy bush was. He also made alot of promises to various left wing groups. So after the election he immediately nationalized banking and huge chunks of industry, textbook communism, and that really freaked alot of people out. Then he lets speial interests write thousand page+ bills on healthcare for example and tried to ram them through. They add 300 page amendments 3 hours before the vote. Our elected representatives dont even write the bills, corporations or bankers do and the congress and obama rubberstamp them. He also wants cap and tade, which will double our electric bills and gasoline prices, we are a very mobile country and restricting our travel in this way does not go over well. Also, most americans now realize that global warming is a crock and even if it was man caused cap and trade wouldnt do anything to solve it. His programs have virtually assured the collapse of the dollar and us economy in the near future. He has indebted our great grandchildren. Thats the rap from the constitution lovers. Among the liberal/fascist/socialist crowd he has reversed his plan to let gays in the military, bring the troops home, hes waffled on gitmo, he is now cool with the patriot act and using it, He has done nothing to stop all the clandestine drug smuggling and other nefarious activities by intelligence, and he has not siezed and redistributed all the wealth from the evil rich. Basically turned his back on the marxist base once elected, and the libertarian crowd regards him as the black hitler. Thats the short answer. Who warned you that he's a radical and a Marxist? Fox news station? When I investigated him, I thought that he leaned towards the middle. Btw, there were already gays in the military. Mexico drug smuggling? He gave money for more patrols, etc. Plenty of people besides fox were warning. Your investigation skills are lacking, he was the most liberal voting senator there was. He admits to involvement in many communist student groups, and all of his mentors and associates are involved in some form of radical marxism or another. Its like if all my friends were in the klan, skinheads, aryan nations, or whatever and then I got elected while calling for diasarming the blacks...im sure youd never suspect me of racism....please, I am open minded and stuff but this is the president were talking about, we should have a higher standard than a marxist coke dealing illegal alien muslim......lol... People could say that your investigate skills are lacking as well. You took the propaganda of the far right to heart. Problem is that either side can call eachothers views propoganda, we typically just go round and round in here. Dude I hear ya, but Im not propaganda guy. (spell it right when calling people out next time as well) Ive already done a point by point comparison of the marxist ten points quoted directly from my well worn communist manifesto and each area obama supports...and most republicans support most of it as well I might add.......so while I throw around commie and liberal I do it from a solid base of knowledge, go back and read, been sitting here icing my leg all day going roundy-round in here. I'm not a dude, dude... sorry, thought I saw a wiener under the harness... |
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they have been rejected by their base finally because they could no longer contain themselves and came out of the closet as more big government knuckleheads. I agree with you there - the GOP's renewed sales pitch "We're the party of small government!" is a sales pitch of convenience and sounds hollow to me. I'm tired of both parties, and would love for Palin-followers to splinter the GOP, and then for the democrats to splinter, and make room for third parties to rise. Do you think that could happen in our lifetime? I dont think the guys who control both parties are very interested in that. If we did have a true third party restore the constitution they would collapse our currency or use some other way to hamstring them and reinstall their puppets. Unless you can somehow get rid of the federal reserve and get term limits I think were hoping for miracles. |
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I have not been to every country but Ive been to quite a few. Ive lived in LA, Chicago, Florida, and been to most other states. Everywhere I have ever been there is a natural tendency to group with your own race and pursue a common interest. You know when europe was divided by regional warfare, and constant violence between warring factions - many of whom could not even speak their enemies language - it was probably inconceivable to them that one governing body would politically unite the entire continent. I'm not saying its a good thing, nor progress, but at least in terms of violence, people of that time would find the modern european continent inconcievable in its (relatively) peaceful (relative) unity. I think your view here is too narrow, and you ascribe to much to 'innate' qualities of humans. It seems to me that children left to their own devices are more likely to be fasinated by differences (wow! his hair is different!) between the races then they are to band together into racially divided groups. Just because something is 'common' does not make it 'natural', nor does it make it 'innate'. You mention how you understand the feelings of black people who lived under jim crow - it sounds like you recognize that everything that we are today is influenced by who we have been in recent decades, recent centauries. I am not trivializing it. I simply accept it. I am not trivializing death but I recognize the folly of trying to eliminate death. I'm sure you will agree that there are degrees of racism, and that its not only possible, but desirable, to eliminate certain forms/degrees/manner of expression of racism - such as, as you mention, genocide. So theres no racism in europe? The creation of the EU has driven the rise in far right politics. I heard nazis won their first seat in germany since hitler. Every action has a reaction. I think you are far too optimistic about humanity. It is simply the calm before the storm. As europes muslim population grows, there will be more unrest, more racial hatred. I hate to burst your bubble but its getting worse, not better. Also there are many cultural commonalities among the caucasians, and they pretty much absorbed their forebearers. There is common religion, and they all speak english for the most part, even if they have their national language. Europe is not the inner city, central america, africa, asia, etc. Furthermore I like everyone different. I like spicy thai food and ice cream, but not in the same bowl. Most efforts to take down racial boundries are ploys to render everyone more easily governned and tend to destroy the cultures of both groups. I want black, red, white, yellow. not some sick world order where everyone is mocha and all the worlds culture has been boiled down to fit neatly in our little civilized western box. Multiculturalism is a codeword for genocide. |
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this is only really for the americans... i havent really followed the situation, so what has he done to piss off most of the country. please tell me cause i see people slagging him off on here and this has really been annoying me Some of it is policy related and sadly, the president being black has woken the racists in this country. Now it is hard to determine how many of the "protests" to the president are race related or actually policy related. Dragon, the President is just as much white as he is black. People here of the most part do not recognize his white half at all. Even folks that are not racist, who believe in seperation of the race.. to them he is black, period. According to the census he is black. But that has nothing to do with why people are protesting. We have. We’re working day and night to stop the radical agenda of the Democrats and bring about the real reforms that will get our state and nation back on track. We believe rallying against massive new spending and new government involvement in our health care system is about the most American thing we can do. We are energized and leading the fight against new spending, a job-killing cap-and-tax bill, and dangerous health care experiments. Reince Priebus Chairman of the Republican Party of Wisconsin Sorry Tj, I just respectfully disagree with you. There are people who have a big problem with his race 'among' those that are protesting for other reasons. I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise. No one is saying it's ALL about race. As for agendas, we went through 8 years of the republcan agenda, I'm for letting Obama have the time to try his agenda, after all the republicans are not going to compremise and refuse to. And we already saw what they did with the power in their hands. I don't agree with everything he wants to do... but I am watching closely. I do not believe Obama's health plan is bad for america, but I will agree that the half hearted plan from Baucus Is bad. Personally I think the atmosphere is so inflamed no one is going to get anything resembling a decent plan that helps the people. AT that point it should just fail and let the people live with what the insurers will continue to do to more and more americans. I'm so over this, I almost wish WE could just vote on the final bill and be done with it one way or the other. This is a republic, not a democracy, trust me you dont want to vote on every issue, the best policy is to not have the government sticking their nose in a bunch of issues. A great quote comes to mind (falsely attributed to Ben Franklin); "Democracy is when two wolves and one lamb vote on whats for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the election." How can you think the plan is not harmful when the cost will bankrupt our country..especially when we are already going under in a few years from ssi and medicare anyways? Dont you guys get it, theres not a magical money tree out there and unless you intend them to live under an overpass your providors need to get paid. When "letting someone have time to try his agenda" involves abolishing whats left of the bill of rights and creating a debt that will crush this country in my lifetime I am supposed to just be cool with that? And what do the republicans have to do with it? Bush did the first bail out. Bush added the drug plan to medicare, hell he tripled the size of the government. Obama is continuing the same agenda. If we could have stopped it under bush, clinton, bush, reagan, carter, we would have (I wasnt alive for the other jokers). Obama retained some of the same people and is advancing the same policy goals, hes just adding more that piss off even more people. I pray every day you are right about the atmosphere being inflamed enough they cant get anything done. I wish they were more like jesse ventura, he said once his goal for his term in government was the people not realizing the government was around. First because I do not share the idea that it will bankrupt our country. And I very much do get it young man. I really hate repeating myself so I won't. You believe exactly what the far right and others believe, so be it. What do republicans have to do with it, they are controlled by their far right, and the far right is tied to the coatails of those you favor. They hope to win by deception and they just might. You are hoping for exactly what the Right would like to accomplish. Get people so angry and so rialed up, nothing gets accomplish. I hope that does not happen, and people don't allow that kind of tactic to prevent progress. We shall see.. It's not a contest for me, It's a preference, as is your's. The republicans are far-right? If that was the case they would be in power, people are so angry because they finally figured out that both parties are leftist, commie and commie lite. The only republicans saying anything right wing are guys like Ron Paul who get marginalized for their efforts. It is not an idea that it will bankrupt the country. Unless you think one can just print money forever and there is never a price to pay or bottom to that barrel. It is a fact. We are already going to go bankrupt on ssi and medicare in the near future, so its really a moot point. We either cant afford it or it bankrupts us. Those are the only two conclusions you can reach, unless you think taxing the rich has no bad effect on their employees and that the government can really eliminate 500 billion in spending I think he said....I mean, seriously?... There are no people whose coattails I favor. Thats what I am hoping for as well, a chance to vote in one election in my life that is not a lesser of two really big evils. The tactics you claim are impeding your progress are sacred rights in this country. Freedom of assembly, speech, keep and bear arms. I think the current state is one of our finest hours and for the first time in my life I have hope that I may see my country outlive me. Its real faint but Ive never had a glimmer. I was born under carter and have seen a gradual destruction of the constitution in favor of a socialist democracy grinding on every day. Its a contest for me, I am young and have young children. Im not going to look them in the eye and tell them I didnt fight to give them a chance to enjoy freedom. My adult life has been spent under 1 republican and now 2 democrat tyrants. Its about time we tore down this federal monstrosity and I think theres more of us that feel this way than you care to know about. |
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This is the most absurd logic I have ever seen! Oh c'mon! It is a very sick and twisted view....equating health care to slavery? What a joke. I also find it interesting how you will not respond to the question about your own health insurance coverage. Nationalized health care can be equated to slavery in that the user is at the whim of the government because the government is in control of the service and the money. If I didn't answer the question, I accidentally overlooked it. I mostly received help from family and friends (like responsible people should), and I am working on finding a way to get off of what little assistance I've needed. I'm a sort of "victim of bad luck", but I choose to work for independence rather than whine (I won't get into the specifics, as that is irrelevant to the argument). Where I come from, receiving help from family and friends is NOT being responsible. Doing it on my own is being responsible to me. The family is societies safety net. Its not about responsibility at all, its a family obligation to take care of their own. If one of them becomes an irresponsible crackhead, however, you might have to cut them off. You missed the point of the conversation. The conversation was about responsibility. Responsibility for what? Health care. I dont know what kind of family you come from but I make sure mine is taken care of and I dont intend to sick the government on my neighbors to accomplish that goal. Responsible for himself. Yes, you're right. You don't know what kind of caring family that I came from. By your logic I can go stick a gun in their face or have a government agent do it to procure their house from them because shelter is a human right and some people have no homes right? They are loving as you say, correct? Or is it only good for you to advocate that fate for us? |
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