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Mon 09/21/09 11:44 AM
The problem is the competing rights here, by claiming the right to health care in this manner you claim a right to the labor and property of another. I agree we all have a right to healthcare and it should be exercized in the same way our right to food is. The harder you work, the better quality of food you can enjoy.

Before I wax philosophical, let me point out the government created the HMO and all the denial of care, cost, and frustration it has brought us.

We need to maintain a free society so that we can make choices to live how we want. Rich people give to charity, poor ones dont. If half the country wants to insure 30 million citizens and 16 million illegals, start a foundation and broker a policy for them, some insurance carrier gets a giant market share or they all grow, the cost is cheap, and nobody was forced at gunpoint to pay for it.

Extortion even for a good cause is still wrong. TIf you think I exaggerate about taking money at gunpoint, ignore the IRS a couple years, they will be there...armed. Should you resist, they will kill you. The american left has the same problem all other ones did. When you create massive powerful government, people end up dying. The more egalitarian and progressive the political movement, the more terrible the result. Stalin made a sweet *** workers paradise.....by killing 50 million people...more for the rest of us! yeaahhh! You cannot really think politicians are now trustworthy and they would never try to harm us do you?

The root cause is not uninsured people, but the fact insurance exists in the first place.

Insurance is not something for routine expenses. It should be for catastrophic expenses. If your doctor had to look you in the face and quote a price to you it wouldnt be hundreds of dollars for 1 shot or someone would find another way. Most people can afford the occasional doctor visit, 70-100, and some doctors could have spartan offices on cheap land and some could be like dr dayspa and charge alot, thats the free market.

Imagine what homeowners insurance would be if it covered every lightbulb, pipe leak, water heater element, paint job, etc. Insurance came into existence when the government froze wages during ww2, it was a way to attract employees and skirt the law. it was born of government regulation and festered because of government regulation. More government is not the solution, but the problem.

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Mon 09/21/09 11:18 AM






You take them way too seriously. Theres been like 13 murders by skinheads in the US ever. The klan hasnt done anything since the sixties and weve since learned the US govt was behind most of the violence of that era as part of cointelpro. Tim mcveigh's co-conspirator was married to an asian woman, and thats the only real domestic terror I can think of besides abortion people which again, not a race deal.

The environmental wack-jobs, now theres some modern terrorism:

"Organizations that have been labeled as "eco-terrorists" in the United States include the Animal Liberation Front (ALF),[14] and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF),[14]. The FBI in 2001 named the ELF as "one of the most active extremist elements in the United States", and a "terrorist threat,"[14] although they publicly disavow harm to humans or animals.[15][16]. The Greenpeace organization has also been implicated (and in some cases indicted) in eco-terrorism and associated unlawful use of monies as well as anti-piracy laws concerning unlawful boarding of private vessels on the high seas. [17]"

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To address your premise that anti-obama is a racist deal is absolutely divide and conquor politics and reprehensible. The left is full of people who support forced sterilization, and regard humans as a curse on earth, racism against all mankind at once.

So both sides have fringe elements, the democrat/fascist/socialist side identifies far more with its fringe than the conservative/libertarian side. Environmental nutjobs are welcome at the DNC but the RNC couldnt run the klan out fast enough, and I still remember what party robert byrd and george wallace were in.

If Herman Kane or Thomas Sowell were running these same so called racists would rush to the polls to vote for them, its a lie. There may be racism in the same way we call michael moore fat. Its not that people hate hiom for being fat, but because they hate him they make fat jokes. There may be an element of that against obama, but rest assured, obama is hated not because hes black, but because he is red.

This thread brings to mind this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syx26QtQIM&feature=related

of course msnbc reports it as racist armed white men and edits it to hide his skin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI&feature=related

So whose the racist lady? Better yet whose the race baiting blowhard?


Racist crimes continue today in this country. Statistics are not accurate because the crimes do not get reported all the time that they happen.

Trying to do the switch and bait doesn't work for me. The racist message is hatred and it is not a healthy nor positive message.

Calling Obama a communist is part of the racist propaganda used to demonize the man.

So all you did was prove my point.


Racist crimes do occur, overwhelmingly black on white, see above post.

What racist message are you talking about? We dont want government health care? We dont want cap and trade? This is what people are saying and you are calling them racist, you are the one pulling a bait and switch.

I am not demonizing anyone, I am accurately describing his political views. it was him who said he fit in among the marxist student groups in college and everyone he associates with is a marxist in one form or another (as are most republicans I might add)

To clarify I will show you what I mean. The following are marx's ten points from the communist manifesto, a sort of ten commandments for achieving communism:



1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

----well lets see, all of obamas policy in one way or another seeks more control over private property, the left has always fought to engineer cities, tell you what you can build and where. We qarent there yet but this is the direction obama is heading and his eventual goal

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

-------Obama definately supports this and is calling to tax the evil rich to pay everyone elses medical bills. Pure communism.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

---------Obama and the left support this and are bringing back a 45% death tax.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

------Obama supports asset forfeiture laws and has numerous proceedings to sieze all sorts of property form all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

-----Not only does obama support the federal reserve, he just gave them sweeping new powers, further consolidating and centralizing credit

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

---------Obama supports the FCC and the DOT. He is seeking further control over the airwaves with digital television and new policy he advocates such as the fairness doctrine. He also wants to build high speed rail, he supports and is expanding homeland securities presence and control in all areas of transportation. He seeks new standards on automobiles, in every aspect of transportation he has some new legislative or policy goal.


7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

------Well he wants far more power for the EPA and environmental laws to control the soil and he has nationalized major industries like GM. This is a major communist victory for the state to now actually own industry in america.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

------Industrial armies are also known as unions. He has always been in bed with them. He also wants a new domestic service army and a security arm. He supports eliminating workers right to a secret ballot in unionization efforts. Now we no longer cho9ose a union, the industrial army is established whether we like it or not...per marx and engles...

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

---He definately is supportive rural growth and slowing urban sprawl. The 2 competing interests are too hard to govern. This particular goal is not as big a deal today as transportation since this book was written has advanced to where you can live in the country and work in the city.


10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

--Last but not least, the teachers union is a pet of his. He absolutely supports government run education (as do both parties). It doesnt matter what people think, indoctrinate the kids and they will vote away their freedoms gladly.


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As you can see not only is obama a communist, but so are most republicans. I dont throw that word around for no reason. It is not racist propaganda, you are just underinformed about what communism is and how entrenched it has become in this country in the last 50 years.





You are proving my point again and again with the inaccurate statistics designed to demonize a race of people.

Most who throw communism around don't even know what it is anyway and I see you are not completely informed here either.

Answer 3 questions please:

1)What in this post says anything about a race of people?

2)What statistics are in the above post?

3) Which policy do I claim obama supports that he does not?

I dont even think you read it. A liberal knee jerk is no better than a neo-con one.




Oh you mean the statistics of crime that are inaccurate?

---You mean the FBI Uniform Crime Report I linked to?

Oh you meant the list of twisted versions of Obama's policies passed off as truth.

Garbage my good man. I read garbage there.



---Again, read the post. I listed the ten points of the communist manifesto and you claim that is not a representation of what communism really is?

Ill try and help, the items with the numbers are each one of the ten points quoted directly form the communist manifesto (which I bet I have read at least a dozen times more than you). Below each point is the corresponding policy obama (and many republicans) support.

-->PLEASE one by one tell me what he does not support. <----

For example, graduated income tax. This is where the more you make, the higher percentage they take.

Obama is for raising the maximum tax bracket and the cap for ssi contribution. In the spirit of this principle he also intends to finance government health care by taxing insurance policies for wealthier people.

Are you telling me in addition to the FBI and Census inventing crime obama has reversed his policy in the last 5 min?

Then address the other 9.

So you say the FBI and the census invented the crime numbers. Fair enough, would you please link the source of YOUR information. I actually will read it too, I am interested in intelligent debate with those of other opinions, but you have to do better than say "garbage" or "its not true" without any substantive response.

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Mon 09/21/09 11:07 AM




You take them way too seriously. Theres been like 13 murders by skinheads in the US ever. The klan hasnt done anything since the sixties and weve since learned the US govt was behind most of the violence of that era as part of cointelpro. Tim mcveigh's co-conspirator was married to an asian woman, and thats the only real domestic terror I can think of besides abortion people which again, not a race deal.

The environmental wack-jobs, now theres some modern terrorism:

"Organizations that have been labeled as "eco-terrorists" in the United States include the Animal Liberation Front (ALF),[14] and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF),[14]. The FBI in 2001 named the ELF as "one of the most active extremist elements in the United States", and a "terrorist threat,"[14] although they publicly disavow harm to humans or animals.[15][16]. The Greenpeace organization has also been implicated (and in some cases indicted) in eco-terrorism and associated unlawful use of monies as well as anti-piracy laws concerning unlawful boarding of private vessels on the high seas. [17]"

-----------

To address your premise that anti-obama is a racist deal is absolutely divide and conquor politics and reprehensible. The left is full of people who support forced sterilization, and regard humans as a curse on earth, racism against all mankind at once.

So both sides have fringe elements, the democrat/fascist/socialist side identifies far more with its fringe than the conservative/libertarian side. Environmental nutjobs are welcome at the DNC but the RNC couldnt run the klan out fast enough, and I still remember what party robert byrd and george wallace were in.

If Herman Kane or Thomas Sowell were running these same so called racists would rush to the polls to vote for them, its a lie. There may be racism in the same way we call michael moore fat. Its not that people hate hiom for being fat, but because they hate him they make fat jokes. There may be an element of that against obama, but rest assured, obama is hated not because hes black, but because he is red.

This thread brings to mind this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syx26QtQIM&feature=related

of course msnbc reports it as racist armed white men and edits it to hide his skin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI&feature=related

So whose the racist lady? Better yet whose the race baiting blowhard?


Racist crimes continue today in this country. Statistics are not accurate because the crimes do not get reported all the time that they happen.

Trying to do the switch and bait doesn't work for me. The racist message is hatred and it is not a healthy nor positive message.

Calling Obama a communist is part of the racist propaganda used to demonize the man.

So all you did was prove my point.


Racist crimes do occur, overwhelmingly black on white, see above post.

What racist message are you talking about? We dont want government health care? We dont want cap and trade? This is what people are saying and you are calling them racist, you are the one pulling a bait and switch.

I am not demonizing anyone, I am accurately describing his political views. it was him who said he fit in among the marxist student groups in college and everyone he associates with is a marxist in one form or another (as are most republicans I might add)

To clarify I will show you what I mean. The following are marx's ten points from the communist manifesto, a sort of ten commandments for achieving communism:



1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

----well lets see, all of obamas policy in one way or another seeks more control over private property, the left has always fought to engineer cities, tell you what you can build and where. We qarent there yet but this is the direction obama is heading and his eventual goal

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

-------Obama definately supports this and is calling to tax the evil rich to pay everyone elses medical bills. Pure communism.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

---------Obama and the left support this and are bringing back a 45% death tax.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

------Obama supports asset forfeiture laws and has numerous proceedings to sieze all sorts of property form all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

-----Not only does obama support the federal reserve, he just gave them sweeping new powers, further consolidating and centralizing credit

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

---------Obama supports the FCC and the DOT. He is seeking further control over the airwaves with digital television and new policy he advocates such as the fairness doctrine. He also wants to build high speed rail, he supports and is expanding homeland securities presence and control in all areas of transportation. He seeks new standards on automobiles, in every aspect of transportation he has some new legislative or policy goal.


7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

------Well he wants far more power for the EPA and environmental laws to control the soil and he has nationalized major industries like GM. This is a major communist victory for the state to now actually own industry in america.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

------Industrial armies are also known as unions. He has always been in bed with them. He also wants a new domestic service army and a security arm. He supports eliminating workers right to a secret ballot in unionization efforts. Now we no longer cho9ose a union, the industrial army is established whether we like it or not...per marx and engles...

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

---He definately is supportive rural growth and slowing urban sprawl. The 2 competing interests are too hard to govern. This particular goal is not as big a deal today as transportation since this book was written has advanced to where you can live in the country and work in the city.


10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

--Last but not least, the teachers union is a pet of his. He absolutely supports government run education (as do both parties). It doesnt matter what people think, indoctrinate the kids and they will vote away their freedoms gladly.


--------------------------------------------

As you can see not only is obama a communist, but so are most republicans. I dont throw that word around for no reason. It is not racist propaganda, you are just underinformed about what communism is and how entrenched it has become in this country in the last 50 years.





You are proving my point again and again with the inaccurate statistics designed to demonize a race of people.

Most who throw communism around don't even know what it is anyway and I see you are not completely informed here either.

Answer 3 questions please:

1)What in this post says anything about a race of people?

2)What statistics are in the above post?

3) Which policy do I claim obama supports that he does not?

I dont even think you read it. A liberal knee jerk is no better than a neo-con one.


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Mon 09/21/09 11:02 AM
So the US government is engaged in a massive campaign to invent crimes and builds fake jails and pretends they are full of criminals. You are delusional maam...and obviously paranoid.

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Mon 09/21/09 10:59 AM


You take them way too seriously. Theres been like 13 murders by skinheads in the US ever. The klan hasnt done anything since the sixties and weve since learned the US govt was behind most of the violence of that era as part of cointelpro. Tim mcveigh's co-conspirator was married to an asian woman, and thats the only real domestic terror I can think of besides abortion people which again, not a race deal.

The environmental wack-jobs, now theres some modern terrorism:

"Organizations that have been labeled as "eco-terrorists" in the United States include the Animal Liberation Front (ALF),[14] and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF),[14]. The FBI in 2001 named the ELF as "one of the most active extremist elements in the United States", and a "terrorist threat,"[14] although they publicly disavow harm to humans or animals.[15][16]. The Greenpeace organization has also been implicated (and in some cases indicted) in eco-terrorism and associated unlawful use of monies as well as anti-piracy laws concerning unlawful boarding of private vessels on the high seas. [17]"

-----------

To address your premise that anti-obama is a racist deal is absolutely divide and conquor politics and reprehensible. The left is full of people who support forced sterilization, and regard humans as a curse on earth, racism against all mankind at once.

So both sides have fringe elements, the democrat/fascist/socialist side identifies far more with its fringe than the conservative/libertarian side. Environmental nutjobs are welcome at the DNC but the RNC couldnt run the klan out fast enough, and I still remember what party robert byrd and george wallace were in.

If Herman Kane or Thomas Sowell were running these same so called racists would rush to the polls to vote for them, its a lie. There may be racism in the same way we call michael moore fat. Its not that people hate hiom for being fat, but because they hate him they make fat jokes. There may be an element of that against obama, but rest assured, obama is hated not because hes black, but because he is red.

This thread brings to mind this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syx26QtQIM&feature=related

of course msnbc reports it as racist armed white men and edits it to hide his skin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI&feature=related

So whose the racist lady? Better yet whose the race baiting blowhard?


Racist crimes continue today in this country. Statistics are not accurate because the crimes do not get reported all the time that they happen.

Trying to do the switch and bait doesn't work for me. The racist message is hatred and it is not a healthy nor positive message.

Calling Obama a communist is part of the racist propaganda used to demonize the man.

So all you did was prove my point.


Racist crimes do occur, overwhelmingly black on white, see above post.

What racist message are you talking about? We dont want government health care? We dont want cap and trade? This is what people are saying and you are calling them racist, you are the one pulling a bait and switch.

I am not demonizing anyone, I am accurately describing his political views. it was him who said he fit in among the marxist student groups in college and everyone he associates with is a marxist in one form or another (as are most republicans I might add)

To clarify I will show you what I mean. The following are marx's ten points from the communist manifesto, a sort of ten commandments for achieving communism:



1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

----well lets see, all of obamas policy in one way or another seeks more control over private property, the left has always fought to engineer cities, tell you what you can build and where. We qarent there yet but this is the direction obama is heading and his eventual goal

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

-------Obama definately supports this and is calling to tax the evil rich to pay everyone elses medical bills. Pure communism.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

---------Obama and the left support this and are bringing back a 45% death tax.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

------Obama supports asset forfeiture laws and has numerous proceedings to sieze all sorts of property form all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

-----Not only does obama support the federal reserve, he just gave them sweeping new powers, further consolidating and centralizing credit

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

---------Obama supports the FCC and the DOT. He is seeking further control over the airwaves with digital television and new policy he advocates such as the fairness doctrine. He also wants to build high speed rail, he supports and is expanding homeland securities presence and control in all areas of transportation. He seeks new standards on automobiles, in every aspect of transportation he has some new legislative or policy goal.


7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

------Well he wants far more power for the EPA and environmental laws to control the soil and he has nationalized major industries like GM. This is a major communist victory for the state to now actually own industry in america.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

------Industrial armies are also known as unions. He has always been in bed with them. He also wants a new domestic service army and a security arm. He supports eliminating workers right to a secret ballot in unionization efforts. Now we no longer cho9ose a union, the industrial army is established whether we like it or not...per marx and engles...

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

---He definately is supportive rural growth and slowing urban sprawl. The 2 competing interests are too hard to govern. This particular goal is not as big a deal today as transportation since this book was written has advanced to where you can live in the country and work in the city.


10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

--Last but not least, the teachers union is a pet of his. He absolutely supports government run education (as do both parties). It doesnt matter what people think, indoctrinate the kids and they will vote away their freedoms gladly.


--------------------------------------------

As you can see not only is obama a communist, but so are most republicans. I dont throw that word around for no reason. It is not racist propaganda, you are just underinformed about what communism is and how entrenched it has become in this country in the last 50 years.



brewer77's photo
Mon 09/21/09 10:39 AM


You take them way too seriously. Theres been like 13 murders by skinheads in the US ever. The klan hasnt done anything since the sixties and weve since learned the US govt was behind most of the violence of that era as part of cointelpro. Tim mcveigh's co-conspirator was married to an asian woman, and thats the only real domestic terror I can think of besides abortion people which again, not a race deal.


They haven't done anything since the 60's?!noway

Wiki:

In 1971, Klansmen used bombs to destroy ten school buses in Pontiac, Michigan. Klansman David Duke was active in South Boston during the school busing crisis of 1974. Duke was leader of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan from 1974 until he resigned from the Klan in 1978.

On November 3, 1979 the Greensboro massacre occurred in Greensboro, North Carolina where five marchers were killed by members of the Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party while staging a protest, while no Klan or neo-Nazis were injured or killed. This was the culmination of attempts by the Communist Workers Party to organize industrial workers, predominantly black, in the area.

Jerry Thompson, a newspaper reporter who infiltrated the Klan in 1979, reported that the FBI's COINTELPRO efforts were highly successful. Rival Klan factions accused each other's leaders of being FBI informants. Bill Wilkinson of the Invisible Empire, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was revealed to have been working for the FBI. During Thompson's brief membership, his truck was shot at, he was yelled at by black children, and a Klan rally he attended turned into a riot when black soldiers on an adjacent military base taunted the Klansmen. Attempts by the Klan to march were often met with counter protests and sometimes with violence.

In 1980 three Ku Klux Klansmen shot four elderly black women (Viola Ellison, Lela Evans, Opal Jackson and Katherine Johnson) in Chattanooga, Tennessee following a KKK initiation rally. (A fifth woman, Fannie Crumsey, was injured by flying glass in the incident.) None of the five victims died. Attempted murder charges were filed against the three Klansmen, two of whom - Bill Church and Larry Payne - were acquitted by an all-white jury and the other of whom - Marshall Thrash - was sentenced by the same jury to nine months on lesser charges. He was released after three months. In 1982 a jury awarded the five women $535,000 in a civil rights trial.

After Michael Donald was lynched in 1981 in Alabama, the FBI investigated his death. Two local Klansmen were convicted of having a role including Henry Hays who was sentenced to death. With the support of attorneys Morris Dees and Joseph J. Levin at the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), Michael's mother, Beulah Mae Donald, sued the Ku Klux Klan in civil court in Alabama. Her lawsuit against the United Klans of America was tried in February 1987. The all-white jury found the Klan responsible for the lynching of Michael Donald and ordered the Klan to pay $7 million USD. To pay the judgment, the Klan turned over all of its assets, including its national headquarters building in Tuscaloosa.

After exhausting the appeals process, Henry Hayes was executed for Donald's death in Alabama on June 6, 1997. It was the first time since 1913 that a white man had been executed in Alabama for a crime against an African American. Thompson, the journalist who claimed he had infiltrated the Klan, related that Klan leaders who appeared indifferent to the threat of arrest showed great concern about a series of civil lawsuits filed by the Southern Poverty Law Center for damages in the millions of dollars. These were filed after Klansmen shot into a group of African Americans. Klansmen curtailed activities to conserve money for defense against the lawsuits. The Klan itself used lawsuits as tools. They filed a libel suit to prevent publication of a paperback edition of Thompson's book.

The present-day Ku Klux Klan is not one organization. Rather it is made up of small independent chapters across the United States. The formation of independent chapters has made the KKK groups more difficult to infiltrate and researchers find it hard to estimate its numbers. KKK members have stepped up recruitment in recent years but the organization continues to grow slowly, with membership estimated at 5,000–8,000 across 179 chapters. These latest drives have seized upon issues such as people's anxieties about illegal immigration, urban crime and same-sex marriage.

The only known former member of the Klan to hold a federal office currently in the United States is Democratic Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, who said he "deeply regrets" having joined the Klan more than half a century ago, when he was about 24 years old. Byrd joined as a young man in the 1940s, recruiting 150 friends and acquaintances from his small West Virginia town. He later said he was a Klan member for about a year, but contemporary newspapers carried stories about a letter of his recommending a friend as Klaneagle in 1946. In 2005, when he published a memoir and was asked again about his life, Byrd said, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

Some of the larger KKK organizations in operation include:

* Bayou Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, prevalent in Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana and other areas of the Southeastern U.S.
* Church of the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan[101]
* Imperial Klans of America[102]
* Knights of the White Kamelia
* Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, headed by national director and self-claimed pastor Thom Robb, and based in Zinc, Arkansas.[103] It claims to be the biggest Klan organization in America today. Spokesmen refer to it as a "sixth era Klan", and it continues to be a racist group.

Numerous smaller groups use the Klan name. Estimates are that about two-thirds of KKK members are concentrated in the South, with another third situated primarily in the lower Midwest.

On November 14, 2008, an all-white jury of seven men and seven women awarded $1.5 million in compensatory damages and $1 million in punitive damages to plaintiff Jordan Gruver, represented by the Southern Poverty Law Center against the Imperial Klans of America. The ruling found that five IKA members had savagely beaten Gruver, then 16 years old, at a Kentucky county fair in July 2006.

Many Klan groups have formed strong alliances with other white supremacist groups like Neo-Nazis. Some Klan groups have become increasingly "Nazified" adopting the look and emblems of Nazi skinheads.

Although there are numerous KKK groups, the media and popular discourse generally refer to the Klan for expediency. The ACLU has provided legal support to various factions of the KKK in defense of their First Amendment rights to hold public rallies, parades, and marches, and their right to field political candidates.


More people die in like 10 minutes on the highway. Again, you take them way too seriously. If you want to quote racial crime statistics we can but you probably dont want to go down that road very far.

you apparently have never read one of these:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/pdf/0front.pdf

For example:

For starters, you have to understand this fact which way inflates the white column:

-------Prior to 1986, Hispanics were classified as a distinct and separate racial group. Not anymore. The FBI and U.S. Census Bureau no longer distinguish between Hispanics (who are actually Spanish speaking Indians for the most part) and Whites; their crimes are lumped together in one ethnic pot. The 22,354,059 Hispanics living in the U.S. do not exist, at least not in the ethnic sense when it comes to the FBI compiling criminal statistics for mainstream and news organizations.

--------If one looks at interracial crime as a whole, Black on White interracial crime largely outnumber White on Black interracial crime. Oddly, while “white racism”, about 1700 crimes, is often used to justify Black people resentment and agressivity toward Whites, White people are not suppose to feel a thing or the slightest resentment for the ceaseless racial violence of which they are the target.

----Blacks murder Whites at 18 times the rate Whites murder Blacks.

---------Some 90% of the victims of race crimes are Whites.

-----A) Blacks commit 8 times more assaults than Whites. B) Blacks commit 9 times more rapes than Whites. C) Blacks commit 14 times more murders than Whites. D) Blacks commit 19 times more armed robberies. E) Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than White neighborhoods. F) There were 629,000 interracial attacks committed in 1985 (the last year the FBI "chose" to report this information). Some nine out of every ten were committed by Blacks against Whites. G. Black males (6% of the population) make up 46% of the nation's prison population.

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So again, you take the klan way too seriously. Adressing the issues above would deprive them of any motive and perhaps we should adress the millions of victims of black on white crime rather than focus on a handful of white on black crimes or some dude in a bedsheet.


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Mon 09/21/09 09:54 AM
Have any of you seen american drug war?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CyuBuT_7I4&feature=PlayList&p=CA4AB8E1F652FAD5&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=15

I think the prison industrial complex is the new military industrial complex.

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Mon 09/21/09 09:51 AM
You take them way too seriously. Theres been like 13 murders by skinheads in the US ever. The klan hasnt done anything since the sixties and weve since learned the US govt was behind most of the violence of that era as part of cointelpro. Tim mcveigh's co-conspirator was married to an asian woman, and thats the only real domestic terror I can think of besides abortion people which again, not a race deal.

The environmental wack-jobs, now theres some modern terrorism:

"Organizations that have been labeled as "eco-terrorists" in the United States include the Animal Liberation Front (ALF),[14] and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF),[14]. The FBI in 2001 named the ELF as "one of the most active extremist elements in the United States", and a "terrorist threat,"[14] although they publicly disavow harm to humans or animals.[15][16]. The Greenpeace organization has also been implicated (and in some cases indicted) in eco-terrorism and associated unlawful use of monies as well as anti-piracy laws concerning unlawful boarding of private vessels on the high seas. [17]"

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To address your premise that anti-obama is a racist deal is absolutely divide and conquor politics and reprehensible. The left is full of people who support forced sterilization, and regard humans as a curse on earth, racism against all mankind at once.

So both sides have fringe elements, the democrat/fascist/socialist side identifies far more with its fringe than the conservative/libertarian side. Environmental nutjobs are welcome at the DNC but the RNC couldnt run the klan out fast enough, and I still remember what party robert byrd and george wallace were in.

If Herman Kane or Thomas Sowell were running these same so called racists would rush to the polls to vote for them, its a lie. There may be racism in the same way we call michael moore fat. Its not that people hate hiom for being fat, but because they hate him they make fat jokes. There may be an element of that against obama, but rest assured, obama is hated not because hes black, but because he is red.

This thread brings to mind this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syx26QtQIM&feature=related

of course msnbc reports it as racist armed white men and edits it to hide his skin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI&feature=related

So whose the racist lady? Better yet whose the race baiting blowhard?

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