Cowboy...are you also claiming that what written or translated in the bible is inaccurate? ....where have your faith gone my child

It is a tragedy what happens to people during natural disasters, but they are a part of the earths process and not an inherent evil. When people survive these types of disasters, it is not unreasonable for them to feel blessed or that God answered their plea for help somehow. I dont think God intervenes in the earths natural cycles, but I do believe he answers prayers and HELPS those who seek his help. It helps for me, personally, to not see death as a terrible thing but as another way God also calls his children to a better place. Some of his children who have not completed their purpose are made to remain here until they do and others are taken when their purpose is done.

That is just my outlook though,,I know everyone views death differently.

I'm not blinded by my own beliefs - I just don't see the same thing you do through the clouded specticles you see life with.

First off - we are not in disagreement about what goes on in the world - i see the same things you do as far as people doing injustices to themselves, and teaching children to do the same - but I don't see where the blame is on "religion" - and not the people intelligent enough to understand what it is they think they believe.

Your caim that every religion teaches divisiveness, superiority and hypocracy is blatenly false. Period. not only is this not true - i say that you cannot name one religion outside of Satanism that can support this claim of yours. Certainly not christianity. And if that's your claim - I attest that you don't know what christianity is.

Now - I'm not going to sit here and admit that there are not religions in this world who's philosophy is not inherantly damaging and dangerous. I would never make that claim. In fact - for the most part, I would tend to agree with the OP about his initial intent behind the firdt post. But for radically different reasons. I've seen all the damage that has been done since the religion of "Evolution" has been introduced into the main stream, and our children forced to accept it as truth. There has been no other religion throughout time that hs done more damage to the human race than that of evolution. From it we have the autrocities of Hitler and Stalin - euthanasia - abortion, all born out of the philosophies of Evolution.

But my sense is - that this is not the aspects of religion that you'd agree with me on as far as it's destructive influence. Why?

Because you are blinded by your own beliefs.

So who's the blind one here? Who see's only what they want to see?

My logic is more like common sense actually, Far too many people since the beginning of time have been atheists for me to believe NONE of them encouraged or supported war.

Most wars are fought over property and power, not things that only the religious are guilty of wanting.

This is flawed logic in my opinion.


First,Christ like means like Christ, of whom there was only one,, not like any and every one who claims to be christian.

I dont believe anyones RELIGION(religious title or affiliation) makes them any better or worse than anyone else. It is how we live our lives that will be judged by God , not what title we give ourself.

I also dont believe I know who will go to heaven or who will not, I was taught that only God knows or will decide. I do know the paths that Christ set out for us to follow and I choose that path hoping to reach the destination I seek.

I also have never not felt responsible for sin, forgiveness doesnt absolve one of responsibility and I was never taught this either.

I embrace religious beliefs, I dont embrace all actions and words anymore than a non religious person does. I dont think it would be healthy to have an everything is fine to do attitude(regardless of religious or non religious affiliation).

I do think there are paths to heaven and paths which dont lead to heaven, just as some paths will get me from Las Vegas to Los Angeles and others wont. If I am trying to get to Los Angeles, I just follow those paths,, it doesnt mean I feel better than those trying to get to Arizona, or those trying to get to Los Angeles by way of Indianapolis.

I just feel we all choose different paths and they dont all end up at the same destination.

I've been a member of a religion most of my entire life - and I haven't experienced any of what you "claim" reliigon is responsible for. What are you basing your statements on? What experience do you have with religion? What are some examples that you can site where a religion is to blame - and not an individual or group of individual's interpretation of a religious philosophy is not to blame. The only example I can think of is Satanism and some forms of Witchcraft or Paganism where what you claim is more a part of the religious philosophy than the individuals who are interpreting it.

And I know of no religion with a special priviledge with God. As a matter of fact - it is religion which keeps one from God more often than not.

But that goes to the incapabability of an individual to make sound judgements - not to the core of religious philosophy. If I have a corrupt leader using religion to support a subverted agenda, and I mix that with someone devoid of sound discernmet of what is right or wrong - the issue is not one of religion - but of human nature.

What?????



What have you been

How so?

Because he won the Nobel peace prize for - what was it - something he MIGHT do?

The Supreme Court ruled that Atheism is a religion as well. Atheists have a belief that they follow as well as churches.