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Fri 12/18/09 04:35 PM
Edited by voileazur on Fri 12/18/09 04:43 PM


In journalism, as in law for that matter, the impeccable and irreproachable credibility of one's source is the #1 rule. Your whole argument will stand, or will be voraciously discarded.

Although you cannot be faulted for the enthusiasm you have shown on this topic, you are failing to meet the #1 rule with this 'russian' source my friend.

Ria Novosti is a propaganda outlet: it is not a reputable source for scientific information, or any other information.

Propaganda, whether home-made or foreign, is propaganda, and is certainly not credible.

Back to rule #1. :)



If your standard is rule #1, then the MSM can't be trusted either, as it breaks this rule routinely.



Fail to see your point about MSM ???

If it the source of my post that you question, I invite you to read this insightful article from 'FP' (FOREIGN POLICY is published by the Slate Group, a division of Washington Post - Newsweek Interactive, LLC, reputed as highly credible)

http://neteffect.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/05/09/kremlins_quest_for_pravda_20


In the meantime, here is the excerpt supporting the comment I made: 'Ria Novosti', a propaganda machine:

'... However, the Kremlin's spin doctors seem to have learnt their lessons in last year's war with Georgia. This is the only way to explain a recent decision by the Russian government (article in Russian) to increase its spending on propaganda - most of it on the international level - bringing its total investment in propaganda-related activities to 1.4 billion USD, which is a 33% increase compared to last year. The increase looks even more staggering in the sector of online-only media : their budgets would grow by whopping 75%. Who said Russia was suffering from the financial crisis?

Much of this money would go to the Kremlin's news strongholds like "RIA Novosti" and "ITAR-TASS, who would see their budgets almost double...' (end of excerpt)

If that is not the basis for a propaganda machine, ... don't know what would be.



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Fri 12/18/09 02:35 PM

ok folks its that somber time of year again. I hope some of you made some positive changes this year and refuse to erect that phallic symbol in your homes again and stop worshipping the penis.


Yamin, are you serious?!?!?!

Are you asking men to refuse erecting their phallic 'one' !?!?!

The very 'one' we would be nothing without!?!?!?

The 'one' that gets us out of bed in the morning, and back into it as often as it allows!?!?!?

The very 'one' without which life wouldn't be worth living!?!?!?

The holy 'one' that carries us straight to HEAVEN', without the need to travel the distance?!?!?!

Don't tell me I have to refuse erecting my phallic 'one' and 'ONLY ONE'!!!

OK! OK! OK!
I will stop worshipping it, but please don't ask me to refuse to erect it?!?!?! Not that!!!




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Fri 12/18/09 02:09 PM
Edited by voileazur on Fri 12/18/09 02:11 PM

This is all nothing but a Russian ruse. They want you believe that global warming is not real and in the meantime, they are taking over the northwest passage and the artic.




http://www.cargobusinessnews.com/Nov09/arctic_jockeys.html


Global players jockey over Arctic shipping routes

By Alison Bate

On Monday, September 7, two German heavy lift ships dropped anchor at Novyy Port after a historic trip, transiting the legendary Northeast Passage over the top of Russia.

After discharging 44 cargo modules in the Siberian outpost, the MV Beluga Fraternity and Beluga Foresight sailed on toward Rotterdam with the remaining 3,500 tons of construction materials.

The ships left Ulsan, South Korea in late July; and although accompanied by Russian icebreakers for part of the journey, only met small icebergs, ice fields and ice floes on what used to be an impenetrable route.

Traditionally, these ships would have traveled from Korea through the Suez Canal, into the Mediterranean and finally the Atlantic­, roughly 3,000 nautical miles longer than using the Northeast Passage or so-called Northern Sea Route.

As commercial trips like these become more common due to global warming, the world¹s major players are jockeying for
position to exploit the Arctic for their own interests.

Geopolitical, economic and environmental issues are all at stake, not to mention changes to the way of life of those living in the Arctic. The five Arctic nations include Canada, the U.S. (Alaska), Russia, Norway and Denmark (Greenland), but other countries such as China are also hovering nearby.

The Canadian Navy’s Commander of Maritime Forces Pacific discussed these thorny issues at the recent Association of Canadian Port Authorities conference in Prince Rupert, B.C.

Rear Admiral Tyrone Pile said that while Canada’s government has pledged to build more ships and increase its Arctic
infrastructure, very little has actually happened. Meanwhile, Russia is investing billions of dollars into its Arctic ports infrastructure, as well as its military capability.

“We (Canadians) aspire to be an Arctic nation, but Russia is,” he said. “Why are we not paying attention to the Arctic?”

China is also engaged, renting space from Norway for a permanent ice weather station in the Arctic, sending research ships for the last eight years, and now developing icebreaker ships.

In the U.S., Sen. Lisa Murkowski from Alaska is also concerned and has introduced a bill, the Arctic Marine Shipping Assessment Implementation Act of 2009, to improve shipping safety and include funding for navigational aides, vessel tracking, oil-spill
response, search and rescue capabilities and icebreaking escorts.

At the Prince Rupert conference, Pile showed pictures of the Arctic icecap in 2001 and 2007, noting that one-third of the ice had disappeared in just six years, Of the three possible shipping routes, the Northern Sea Route over Russia would be the first one to truly open up, he suggested.

The second route, through Canada’s Northwest Passage, opened up for the first time in 2007, but its potential is a bit of a red
herring, according to Pile. “It’s difficult to get through; more like a backroad detour,” he said. The third route, the Trans-Polar, will be the last to open up.

Pile said the Arctic is also attracting attention because of its vast untapped amounts of oil, gas, gold, zinc, and other minerals. A U.S. Geological Survey report in 2008 estimated that the Arctic has about 13 per cent of the world¹s undiscovered oil; 30 per cent of the undiscovered natural gas; and 20 per cent of the undiscovered natural gas liquids. More fish are also likely to migrate north, due to global warming.

Pile didn¹t discuss the legal issues, but ownership of the Arctic waters is hotly disputed, and a fascinating race against time is under way.

Under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), each country controls resources up to 200 nautical miles offshore, but its territory can be expanded if it can prove that underwater ridges and rock formations are connected to its continental shelf.

Russia, Norway and Denmark have already made submissions, while Canada has until 2013 to submit its scientific data. The U.S. has not signed on to UNCLOS, but is working with Canada to locate the outer edge of the North American continental shelf.

For the second summer in a row, scientists on board the U.S. Coast Guard cutter Healy have been mapping the Arctic seafloor with their counterparts on board the Canadian Coast Guard icebreaker Louis S. St-Laurent.

Despite working together, the two countries are at odds over who owns the Northwest Passage. Canada claims that the seasonal shipping lane is internal Canadian waters while the U.S. and others argue that it is an international strait. The U.S. and
Canada also disagree on how the border should extend into the ocean between Alaska and the Yukon.

However, while some Canadians view the U.S. as a danger to their sovereignty, Pile doesn¹t see it that way. “We will present our views, but we aren¹t going to go to war over that,” he said in an interview. “It’s in both our interests to work together in the Arctic.”





Thanks '1956'!!!

From my post above yours, I was going to follow through with the obvious 'MOTIVES' behind Russia plan's in general, and Ria Novosti's propaganda in particular, vowed at derailing the climate change consensus.

And here you were, having done it better than I would have myself.

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Fri 12/18/09 01:56 PM
Edited by voileazur on Fri 12/18/09 02:01 PM

Special thanks to the UK Telegraph for breaking this story.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100020126/climategate-goes-serial-now-the-russians-confirm-that-uk-climate-scientists-manipulated-data-to-exaggerate-global-warming/

Climategate just got much, much bigger. And all thanks to the Russians who, with perfect timing, dropped this bombshell just as the world’s leaders are gathering in Copenhagen to discuss ways of carbon-taxing us all back to the dark ages.

Feast your eyes on this news release from Rionovosta, via the Ria Novosti agency, posted on Icecap. (Hat Tip: Richard North)

A discussion of the November 2009 Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident, referred to by some sources as “Climategate,” continues against the backdrop of the abortive UN Climate Conference in Copenhagen (COP15) discussing alternative agreements to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol that aimed to combat global warming.

The incident involved an e-mail server used by the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in Norwich, East England. Unknown persons stole and anonymously disseminated thousands of e-mails and other documents dealing with the global-warming issue made over the course of 13 years.

Controversy arose after various allegations were made including that climate scientists colluded to withhold scientific evidence and manipulated data to make the case for global warming appear stronger than it is.

Climategate has already affected Russia. On Tuesday, the Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably tampered with Russian-climate data.

The IEA believes that Russian meteorological-station data did not substantiate the anthropogenic global-warming theory. Analysts say Russian meteorological stations cover most of the country’s territory, and that the Hadley Center had used data submitted by only 25% of such stations in its reports. Over 40% of Russian territory was not included in global-temperature calculations for some other reasons, rather than the lack of meteorological stations and observations.

The data of stations located in areas not listed in the Hadley Climate Research Unit Temperature UK (HadCRUT) survey often does not show any substantial warming in the late 20th century and the early 21st century.

The HadCRUT database includes specific stations providing incomplete data and highlighting the global-warming process, rather than stations facilitating uninterrupted observations.

On the whole, climatologists use the incomplete findings of meteorological stations far more often than those providing complete observations.

IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations.

The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass. The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.

Global-temperature data will have to be modified if similar climate-date procedures have been used from other national data because the calculations used by COP15 analysts, including financial calculations, are based on HadCRUT research.

What the Russians are suggesting here, in other words, is that the entire global temperature record used by the IPCC to inform world government policy is a crock.

As Richard North says: This is serial.

UPDATE: As Steve McIntyre reports at ClimateAudit, it has long been suspected that the CRU had been playing especially fast and loose with Russian – more particularly Siberian – temperature records. Here from March 2004, is an email from Phil Jones to Michael Mann.

Recently rejected two papers (one for JGR and for GRL) from people saying CRU has it
wrong over Siberia. Went to town in both reviews, hopefully successfully. If either
appears
I will be very surprised, but you never know with GRL.
Cheers
Phil

And here at Watts Up With That is a guest post by Jeff Id of the Air Vent

And here is what one of the commenters has to say about the way the data has been cherry-picked and skewed for political ends:

The crux of the argument is that the CRU cherry picked data following the same methods that have been done everywhere else. They ignored data covering 40% of Russia and chose data that showed a warming trend over statistically preferable alternatives when available. They ignored completeness of data, preferred urban data, strongly preferred data from stations that relocated, ignored length of data set.

One the final page, there is a chart that shows that CRU’s selective use of 25% of the data created 0.64C more warming than simply using all of the raw data would have done. The complete set of data show 1.4C rise since 1860, the CRU set shows 2.06C rise over the same period.

Not, of course, dear readers that I’m in any way tempted to crow about these latest revelations. After all, so many of my colleagues, junior and senior, have been backing me on this one to the hilt….

Oh, if anyone speaks Russian, here’s the full report. (http://www.iea.ru/article/kioto_order/15.12.2009.pdf)



In journalism, as in law for that matter, the impeccable and irreproachable credibility of one's source is the #1 rule. Your whole argument will stand, or will be voraciously discarded.

Although you cannot be faulted for the enthusiasm you have shown on this topic, you are failing to meet the #1 rule with this 'russian' source my friend.

Ria Novosti is a propaganda outlet: it is not a reputable source for scientific information, or any other information.

Propaganda, whether home-made or foreign, is propaganda, and is certainly not credible.

Back to rule #1. :)

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Fri 12/18/09 01:37 PM




the total approval rate is 44% with a total disapproval of 56%

polls are manipulated. when they don't reveal the questions, it's hard to determine the legitimacy of the poll.


I understand that, and I agree.

Who pays for the poll, and the questions asked make all the difference.


There is a world of difference between 'RASMUSSEN's public opinion polls and electoral polls.

Electoral polls are the barometer by which the pollster's credibility is established. The ensuing election numbers keeps them honest, or else they're plain wrong!!!

Public opinion polls on the other hand are impossible to monitor. There would need to be a referendum everytime you make a public opinion poll to validate the results.

So when it comes to public opinion polls, the pollster's integrity, and independence are fundamental criteria.

Rasmussen approaches POLITICAL POLLING following state of the art methods and execution procedures.
Their political polls are judged reliable, and their credibility for POLITICAL POLLS is therefore intact as explained above. Most people give Rasmussen the same credit for their PUBLIC OPINION POLLING results,

... and shouldn't!!!


When it comes to Rasmussen's approach to public opinion polls though, all 'state-of-the-art' methods go out the window, and are replaced by the Rasmussen 'IN-HOUSE' custom made approach to polling.

No one can hire Rasmussen for a public opinion poll, they are proud of claiming as a way of preserving their independence?!?!?!

It is suggested that the reason for their 'personalized not-for-sale approach', is that it leaves them free to poll whichever way suits them and their fans. How else can you explain that their public polling results are never in line with other major pollsters, and always leaning 'right'!?!?!?

And how about leaving out the 'graded questioning' to polling???

Taking account of only the 'Strongly' in the polls questions?!?!?!

That's it?!?!?!

That's twisted!!!

Most moderate people would rarely answer 'I strongly approve' or 'strongly disapprove', but would lean towards approving or disapproving nonetheless.

The 'strongly' allows pollsters to get the partisan votes on both sides of the axis. To only ask, or publish the 'strongly' category of a poll, discounts all moderates, or forces to assume that no moderates were polled.

Either way, it totally disqualifies the poll for total lack of credibility.

Rasmusssen is famous for catering poll results to the 'right'
(especially the fundamentalist religious right). FOX would have no favorable numbers to massage its audience and ratings with without Rasmussen.

Dress it up any which way you want, WHEN ONE IS ALWAYS LEANING ON THE SAME SIDE, don't listen to the seemingly straight words coming out of the leaning man's mouth,
... trust your eyes and notice that man has a crooked tilt about him!!!









It sure is nice to see someone posting that has something intelligent to say Voil.
:thumbsup:



Flying on your wing (string of great posts) 'fanta'!!! :thumbsup:

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Fri 12/18/09 01:34 PM

LOL

I love your way with words my friend.

I give that post a 5 out of a possible 5!

drinker


Thanks 'ol friend. You've been inspiring me lately!

What a pace you have been keeping up lately. Hard act to follow!

And darn good work! drinker

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Fri 12/18/09 01:09 PM




Revisionist writings....I posted a Harvard study earlier, find it or you can choose to believe some writer at the Columbus Dispatch revisonist's views to fit your truthiness...that write picked just from the Salem Witch Trials no the whole period...egads.

“30,000 to 50,000 killed during the 400 years from 1400 to 1800 — a large number but no Holocaust. And it wasn't all a burning time. Witches were hanged, strangled, and beheaded as well. Witch-hunting was not woman-hunting: At least 20 percent of all suspected witches were male. Midwives were not especially targeted; nor were witches liquidated as obstacles to professionalized medicine and mechanistic science.”

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0056.html

More...

Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:

"History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed."

http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

~~~~

Msharmony...who's pressuring you to keep it private? Not me, I am only pointing out that the extremists of your religion are the problem...and have been forever a thorn in the side of humanity and a roadblock to human progress, e.g. denying evolution is absurd with what we now know.....not sure you read the OP....?




You are wrong. Hitler WAS NOT a Christian.

To claim he was - shows a serious lack of understanding the meaning of a Christian, in which case - anything you have to say is moot.

I expect you to correct yourself on this.


Not that again Eljay?!?!?!

Hitler was baptized and raised in the most thorough of Christian tradition and faith.

Like you Eljay, he developed his own interpretation of what a GOOD CHRISTIAN was, and devoted his whole life to it. What he ended up concluding was that the catholic church failed him and his people, protestants only deserved his utmost contempt, and JESUS counted on him to deliver the real fight!!!

Hitler showed every sign of a devout christian youth, turned christian militant, turned fundamentalist, and the rest is history.

Was Hiltler sane and balanced in his view of christianity, Jesus, Jews, himself, his nation, etc.???

Like all fundamentalists, he started out posting a mildly paranoid neurotiuc behavior. For just the right number of fundamentalists (the leaders), when this behavior not only goes unchecked, but is instead encouraged by a shared mass neurosis, the dormant neurosis turns rapidly into a a dangerous phychosis.

So if it will make you happy Eljay, Hitler progressively became, in hte last quarter of his lifetime, a dangerously psychotic fundamentlist christian of a church of one.

But a christian he sure was. Your personal meaning and interpretation of christian, however true it may for you, is totally irrelevant.

The point 'middleearthing' is making, is one worth discussing and mastering: 'fundamentally :), FUNDAMENTALISM IS LATENTLY DANGEROUS, whether in the hands of religious, political, social or individual entities.

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Fri 12/18/09 11:21 AM
Edited by voileazur on Fri 12/18/09 11:46 AM


the total approval rate is 44% with a total disapproval of 56%

polls are manipulated. when they don't reveal the questions, it's hard to determine the legitimacy of the poll.


I understand that, and I agree.

Who pays for the poll, and the questions asked make all the difference.


There is a world of difference between 'RASMUSSEN's public opinion polls and electoral polls.

Electoral polls are the barometer by which the pollster's credibility is established. The ensuing election numbers keeps them honest, or else they're plain wrong!!!

Public opinion polls on the other hand are impossible to monitor. There would need to be a referendum everytime you make a public opinion poll to validate the results.

So when it comes to public opinion polls, the pollster's integrity, and independence are fundamental criteria.

Rasmussen approaches POLITICAL POLLING following state of the art methods and execution procedures.
Their political polls are judged reliable, and their credibility for POLITICAL POLLS is therefore intact as explained above. Most people give Rasmussen the same credit for their PUBLIC OPINION POLLING results,

... and shouldn't!!!


When it comes to Rasmussen's approach to public opinion polls though, all 'state-of-the-art' methods go out the window, and are replaced by the Rasmussen 'IN-HOUSE' custom made approach to polling.

No one can hire Rasmussen for a public opinion poll, they are proud of claiming as a way of preserving their independence?!?!?!

It is suggested that the reason for their 'personalized not-for-sale approach', is that it leaves them free to poll whichever way suits them and their fans. How else can you explain that their public polling results are never in line with other major pollsters, and always leaning 'right'!?!?!?

And how about leaving out the 'graded questioning' to polling???

Taking account of only the 'Strongly' in the polls questions?!?!?!

That's it?!?!?!

That's twisted!!!

Most moderate people would rarely answer 'I strongly approve' or 'strongly disapprove', but would lean towards approving or disapproving nonetheless.

The 'strongly' allows pollsters to get the partisan votes on both sides of the axis. To only ask, or publish the 'strongly' category of a poll, discounts all moderates, or forces to assume that no moderates were polled.

Either way, it totally disqualifies the poll for total lack of credibility.

Rasmusssen is famous for catering poll results to the 'right'
(especially the fundamentalist religious right). FOX would have no favorable numbers to massage its audience and ratings with without Rasmussen.

Dress it up any which way you want, WHEN ONE IS ALWAYS LEANING ON THE SAME SIDE, don't listen to the seemingly straight words coming out of the leaning man's mouth,
... trust your eyes and notice that man has a crooked tilt about him!!!







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Thu 12/17/09 09:00 AM
Taking a closer at the poll you posted Fanta, I thought the first 2 questions were telling it all.

The first question asks :

'... Generally speaking, would you say things in this country are heading in the right direction or in the wrong direction? ...'

To which the majority answers that the country is headed in the wrong direction.

The second question asks:

'... Overall, please tell me whether you approve, disapprove, or neither approve nor disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president...'

To which the majority answered that they approve of the way the President is handling the situation.

People are clear that the country WAS, at the time of Obama taking office, and STILL IS headed in the wrong direction (less so, but all is far from fixed),
... but that the President in place is doing an effective job, over his short time in office, of correcting the situation, and bringing the nation back in the right direction.


'Some of the people' will always be idiots,
... but 'all of the people' will always be the wisdom of a nation.



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Wed 12/16/09 09:54 AM



Because Hussein reinstated Baby Bush's patriot act, he already has the power.

The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (PDF) gives the president the ability to “declare a cybersecurity emergency” and shut down or limit Internet traffic in any “critical” information network “in the interest of national security.” The bill does not define a critical information network or a cybersecurity emergency. That definition would be left to the president.

The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce “access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access.” This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws.

SEC. 14. PUBLIC–PRIVATE CLEARINGHOUSE.

(a) DESIGNATION.—The Department of Commerce shall serve as the clearinghouse of cybersecurity threat and vulnerability information to Federal government and private sector owned critical infrastructure information systems and networks.

(b) FUNCTIONS.—The Secretary of Commerce—

(1) shall have access to all relevant data concerning such networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access; …

SEC. 18. CYBERSECURITY RESPONSIBILITIES AND AUTHORITY.

The President— …

(2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network; …



How do you like 'em simplistic, distorted and twisted little twinkies.

A 'particular kind of republicans' congratulates 'W' during his reign for the patriot act and all its limitations of personal freedom, and then craps down on the current president for not abolishing that which our infamous kind of republicans celebrated under 'W'.

The depths of human idiocy never ceases to amaze me.

I don't know bout you but, I wouldn't want any president or politician having unlimited powers as are stated in the PA.

You would?


You did!!!

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Wed 12/16/09 09:19 AM
Edited by voileazur on Wed 12/16/09 09:35 AM



Fanta, you keep pointing out that Bush made the deficit much larger during his time in office.

Exponential, I believe is the word you used.

But...Obama has ALSO increased the deficit exponentially, in less than one year in office, but yet, you choose not to point that out.

You could also be accused of ignoring something that doesn't support your position.

The fact is, until there is an actual recovery, the majority of people who have lost their jobs finding work, people being able to dig out of the financial holes they have found themselves in, Obama is no better than Bush was.

Until there are results, REAL, tangible results, then Obama has done nothing but spend a crapload of money, and made the deficit bigger, just like Bush did.


The FY (fiscal year) for the US gov runs from Oct 1 to Oct 1.

Now when did Obama take office?
January 20, 2009?

Oct-1, Nov-2, Dec-3, most of Jan-4!

4 months is equal to 1/3 of a year.
That means any deficit incurred in FY 2009 was a joint deficit!
Obama was only President for 8 months of that year. Furthermore, The budget for the year was voted in by the Bush Admin. In Oct.

Effectively, with only 11 total months in office. None of the deficit can be related to him. What can, can only be a partial credit and one must admit, a historically necessary deficit!



Wow. That is the most impressive job of skirting an issue I have ever seen.

Well done.

Take a look at where the deficit was when he took office, and look at it now.

Whether it's a " joint " deficit takes absolutely nothing away from the fact that Obama has added billions upon billions of dollars to it.

Whether or not it was " historically necessary " will be determined if, and ONLY if, there is a real recovery in the economy.




Bush was very much in office, and placed a formal request to congress burried in HIS bailout package, the 7th such request of his presidency, to raise the debt ceiling to a vertiginous 11,315 TRILLION dollars. T'was was very much the act of 'W' administration, whom wins the trophy for wreckless spending and 'HIGHEST RAISE OF THE NATIONAL DEBT UNDER ANY US PRESIDENCY IN HISTORY'.


This excerpt dates back to September 29, 2008.

'... The bailout plan now pending in Congress could add hundreds of billions of dollars to the national debt – though President Bush said this morning he expects that over time, “much if not all” of the bailout money “will be paid back.”
But the government is taking no chances.

Buried deep in the hundred pages of bailout legislation is a provision that would raise the statutory ceiling on the national debt to $11.315 trillion. It’ll be the 7th time the debt limit has been raised during this administration.

In fact it was just two months ago, on July 30, that President Bush signed the Housing and Economic Recovery Act, which contained a provision raising the debt ceiling to $10.615 trillion...'


I know, I know, ... it's all Obama's fault!!!

But for those whom are interested in a balanced view of a most complex situation, here is a great article scoping the breadth of the mess left by 'W' and the 'Catch 22' challenges facing the Obama administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html?_r=1

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Wed 12/16/09 08:59 AM

Because Hussein reinstated Baby Bush's patriot act, he already has the power.

The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (PDF) gives the president the ability to “declare a cybersecurity emergency” and shut down or limit Internet traffic in any “critical” information network “in the interest of national security.” The bill does not define a critical information network or a cybersecurity emergency. That definition would be left to the president.

The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce “access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access.” This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws.

SEC. 14. PUBLIC–PRIVATE CLEARINGHOUSE.

(a) DESIGNATION.—The Department of Commerce shall serve as the clearinghouse of cybersecurity threat and vulnerability information to Federal government and private sector owned critical infrastructure information systems and networks.

(b) FUNCTIONS.—The Secretary of Commerce—

(1) shall have access to all relevant data concerning such networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access; …

SEC. 18. CYBERSECURITY RESPONSIBILITIES AND AUTHORITY.

The President— …

(2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network; …



How do you like 'em simplistic, distorted and twisted little twinkies.

A 'particular kind of republicans' congratulates 'W' during his reign for the patriot act and all its limitations of personal freedom, and then craps down on the current president for not abolishing that which our infamous kind of republicans celebrated under 'W'.

The depths of human idiocy never ceases to amaze me.

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Tue 12/15/09 08:21 PM
Edited by voileazur on Tue 12/15/09 08:23 PM



Tell Gore to lead by example. I am more conservative about cutting back and preserving than he is.

His house could house 50 or 60 more people.

I bet the heat or air stays on 24/7 in his house and offices.



For anyone to claim that Gore is not leading by example, and that they are doing more than Gore is, would in effect mean that they are equipped with
... a solar panel roof,
... that they have contracted for a GeoThermal heating and cooling system (0 emission),
... that they have a rain water collection for irrigation and water management, and
... that their home meets the LEED standards???

If that is not leading by example, I don't know what is?!?!?!

Here are them facts:

'... Al Gore's home, which has been undergoing renovations for months, now boasts a solar roof. When his neighborhood in Tennessee changed zoning laws earlier this year, Gore was able to go ahead with the solar panel installation. You can read about the details of the battle to get the solar panels installed here. Gore is now preparing to install a geothermal system that will drastically reduce the cost of heating in his home. Other renovations on the house are aimed at meeting the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design, or LEED, standards established by the U.S. Green Building Council. He is upgrading windows and ductwork, installing more energy-efficient light bulbs and creating a rainwater collection system for irrigation and water management...'

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/06/al_gore_gets_a.php#ch02


The attitude of all these backyard climate sceptics is explained in many of my threads over the last day or so, but never more so in the one titled, "It's All A Conspiracy"!

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/259357


Impressive string of threads my friend!

And this bullet from "It's All A Conspiracy!", cannot be repeated often enough:

'... If you believe that tens of thousands of scientists (97,5%) are colluding in a massive conspiracy, nothing anyone can say is likely to dissuade you ...'

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Tue 12/15/09 05:28 PM

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138

Here are the first 7...

HERE are the 100 reasons, released in a dossier issued by the European Foundation, why climate change is natural and not man-made:

1) There is “no real scientific proof” that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from man’s activity.

2) Man-made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute less than 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle of the earth during geological history.

3) Warmer periods of the Earth’s history came around 800 years before rises in CO2 levels.

4) After World War II, there was a huge surge in recorded CO2 emissions but global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940.

5) Throughout the Earth’s history, temperatures have often been warmer than now and CO2 levels have often been higher – more than ten times as high.

6) Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout geologic time.

7) The 0.7C increase in the average global temperature over the last hundred years is entirely consistent with well-established, long-term, natural climate trends.


Another infamous THINKTANK of so-called scientists and politicians, offering the whole world their holier than thou PERSONAL OPINIONS.

'... The EUROPEAN FOUNDATION, an international think tank comprised of European scientists and politicians, has issued a dossier specifying 100 reasons why Climate Change is natural and not manmade...'

You cannot oppose an overwhelming body of 'defended' and 'converging' scientific papers with PERSONAL OPINIONS.
The fact that one might be a 'scientist' or 'politician' does not make one's personal opinion any more credible, unless it is founded on pertinent scientific data and analyses, which the scientist is then willing to defend in front of scientific peers.

My personal '100 reasons' carry the EXACT SAME WEIGHT as the think-tank mentioned above: NONE!!!

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Tue 12/15/09 04:49 PM
Edited by voileazur on Tue 12/15/09 04:49 PM

Tell Gore to lead by example. I am more conservative about cutting back and preserving than he is.

His house could house 50 or 60 more people.

I bet the heat or air stays on 24/7 in his house and offices.



For anyone to claim that Gore is not leading by example, and that they are doing more than Gore is, would in effect mean that they are equipped with
... a solar panel roof,
... that they have contracted for a GeoThermal heating and cooling system (0 emission),
... that they have a rain water collection for irrigation and water management, and
... that their home meets the LEED standards???

If that is not leading by example, I don't know what is?!?!?!

Here are them facts:

'... Al Gore's home, which has been undergoing renovations for months, now boasts a solar roof. When his neighborhood in Tennessee changed zoning laws earlier this year, Gore was able to go ahead with the solar panel installation. You can read about the details of the battle to get the solar panels installed here. Gore is now preparing to install a geothermal system that will drastically reduce the cost of heating in his home. Other renovations on the house are aimed at meeting the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design, or LEED, standards established by the U.S. Green Building Council. He is upgrading windows and ductwork, installing more energy-efficient light bulbs and creating a rainwater collection system for irrigation and water management...'

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/06/al_gore_gets_a.php#ch02

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Tue 12/15/09 07:59 AM
Edited by voileazur on Tue 12/15/09 08:06 AM

models are imperfect because they rely on assumptions. the whole model is itself an assumption. "if CO2 doubles what is the affect?"

on the other hand the latest models I saw showed West Texas as becoming semi-tropical with lakes and rivers. That would be an improvement so, so far I'm all for the global warming thing



Scientific models are imperfect as all things human are.

The inescapable point here is that scientific models and the intrinsic validation process to which they are subjected, are FAR LESS IMPERFECT than gross generalizations, special interest based personal opinions, as well as one-track faith, political or business motivated crusades.

Scientific modeling rests on a time honored iteration process, thus a PERFECTIBLE foundation.
The other groups, rest on an inexistent factual base, therefore absolutely unverifiable and much less PERFECTIBLE.

A scientific argument must be challenged by its correlate counter scientific argument. Personal opinions, beliefs, etc., will never relevant nor pertinent.

At this point in the climate change scientific debate, the counter climate change scientific data and findings (nature and volume) are failing to make a dent in the overwhelming consensual data and findings for human caused climate change. (human is not the only factor, but it scientifically IS A FACTOR)





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Tue 12/15/09 07:24 AM



I don't care where the 28,000+ sets of data can be found.

As I have said before, and will continue to say, they are not complete because they cannot possibly take into account every variable.

One of the MAJOR components that almost all of the " reliable " data sets does NOT take into account is the Sun. They all are based on Earthbound predictions only.

That, in and of itself, makes them unreliable.

By the way, have you not seen or heard that it's not only the Earth that is heating up a bit. It's ALL of the planets in the Solar System.




Gotcha, look for the myth to be busted.


Go ahead and try.

Facts are facts and those planets are, indeed, warming.

Whether you like it or not, there is a direct link between the Sun and the planets.

hey...look at the facts here and try REALLY hard to be unbiased.

The sunspot activity has been the lowest in recorded history...and the Earth has cooled down some this year as a result.

Still think there is no correlation???

Keep drinking that Kool Aid, bro.


You insinuate that 'fanta' is drinking 'cool-aid', while it is you dear sir, that is feeding this thread with PERSONNAL and KOOL-AID TASTING dogma.

I thought you might be interested in educating yourself with facts from the field:

'... According to a NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) press release,

"...the solar increases do not have the ability to cause large global temperature increases...greenhouse gases are indeed playing the dominant role..."

The effects of global warming are apparent (see section below) despite the fact that the Sun is once again less bright during the present solar minimum. Since the last solar minimum of 1996, the Sun's brightness has decreased by 0.02% at visible wavelengths, and 6% at extreme UV wavelengths, representing a 12-year low in solar irradiance, according to this NASA news article (April 1, 2009)...'
(http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html)

Feel free to counter address these facts, but be clear that personal/kool-aid sourced arguments have no credibility in this climate change discussion.

While subjectivity plays a role in all human exchanges, and leads the way in many trivial topics, objectivity on the other hand, leads every exchange where verifiable measures, comparable sets of findings, and validation within EXPERT PEER groups are the premise.

Personal opinions, preferences, beliefs and dogma are of no relevance in this debate. Let's compare counter scientific data from experts you might have, and let's put it all in perspective.

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Sat 12/12/09 03:04 PM

Well then, share your wonderful opinions with yourself and stay out of discussion forums.


pffft

bite me

I post what I want, when I want, where I want, and if you don't like that it's a YP not a MP

we already have enough people who just want to argue to hear the sound of their own voice


Bull's eye!!! Nothing to add your honour!


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Sat 12/12/09 03:02 PM

The Left Fell into the Climate Morass
http://mises.org/daily/3927
It might take a while to sink in, but the global-warming cause is on the skids. Two issues are taking the whole project down: it is getting cooler not warmer (and hence the change of the rhetoric to a vague concern over "climate change"); the email scandal of a few weeks back proved that this really is an opinion cartel with preset views not driven by science.
Oh sure, people are saying that climategate is not really very serious and is only being exploited by Fox News and the like. And it's true that not all measures of global temperature show cooling and that the science can be complex.
On that basis, the New York Times urges us to ignore the outpouring:
It is also important not to let one set of purloined e-mail messages undermine the science and the clear case for action, in Washington and in Copenhagen.
Yes, a clear case. Come on. The whole political agenda of these people is now being seriously questioned. It is no longer a slam-dunk case that we are going to have world central planning in order to control the climate and protect the holy earth from the effects of industrialization. Oh, and tax us good and hard in the process.
But you know what is most tragic to me about this? This whole hysteria led to a fantastic diversion of energy on the left side of the political spectrum. Instead of working against war and the police state, issues on which the Left tends to be pretty good, instincts were diverted to the preposterous cause of creating a statist system for global thermometer management.
The effort to whip everyone up into a frenzy over this began more than ten years ago. Every lefty fundraising letter harped on the issue, and demanded people commit their lives to it, explaining that if mother earth dies then all is lost. It is a more important issue than all the rest, the litmus test to determine whether you are a friend or an enemy.
This made it very difficult for libertarians to cooperate with the Left over the last years. Sure, there are some libertarian ideas for dealing with pollution, but none as compelling as central planning, and there was never any way that we would go along with that idea. The costs associated with dismantling industrial civilization outweigh even the worst-case global-warming scenario.
And methodologically, the whole thing was always nuts. If we can't determine cause and effect now with certainty, how in the heck will we be able to determine it after the world state controls our carbon emissions and impoverishes us in the process? No one will ever be in a position to say whether the policy worked or failed. That is not a good basis for enacting legislation.
Meanwhile, the Left threw everything it had into this hysteria. Protests, letters, billions in spending, frenzy, moral passion, mania, witch hunts – you name it. You would swear that climate change was the issue of the millennium for these people.
Meanwhile, the police state has made unbelievable advances in the last ten years. We all live today in fear of the state's "security" apparatus. Airports have become living chapters in a dystopian novel. The local police treat us like potential terrorists. Crossing the US border is becoming reminiscent of East Germany. You can't go anywhere without your papers.
And where has the Left been while the whole world was being Nazified? Worrying about my barbecue grill out back.
Then there is the war issue. The scary George Bush started war after war and kept them going to bolster his own power and prestige, creating as many enemies as possible through provocations and making up enemies if he had to. He funded a bubble that wrecked the economy and destroyed country after country in the name of justice and peace.
And what followed Bush? A president who repudiated this ghastly legacy? No, Obama is a supporter of the same wars and continues them — even ramps them up. Does the Left consider him a bad guy? Not really. With a handful of exceptions, his critics on the Left are friendly critics. They are glad to put up with this because he is willing to do their bidding on the climate-change front.
You think Democrat politicians don't exploit this? They surely do. In this sense, the climate issue is much like the pro-life cause on the Right. If a politician pushes the correct buttons, it doesn't matter what else they say or do. They are no longer looked at with a critical eye.
The American Left has long forgotten its roots. As Arthur Ekirch has explained, the Left sold its soul to the state with the New Deal. Whereas it once opposed regimentation and industrial management of society, it turned around to support exactly that. War was the next issue to go. The New Left in the 1960s held out the hope of capturing some of that early love of liberty on the Left, even the anarchist impulse, but the New Left didn't last long. It was eventually swallowed up by machine politics.
The Left today that supports world government to stop climate change bears little resemblance to the Left of 100 years ago, which favored civil liberties and social liberality and was willing to do anything to end war. Now it has diverted its energies to a preposterously unworkable scheme based on pseudoscience. This is a terrible tragedy.
The Left still has much to contribute to American public life. It can oppose the police state and the militarization of society. It can favor human liberty in most every area of life, even if it hasn't made its peace with the free market. Most of all, it can oppose American imperialism. But before it recaptures the spirit of its youth, it has to get rid of the preposterous idea that it should support the total state to manage what every generation has always known is unmanageable.


Thank you Llewellyn H. Rockwell Jr., chairman of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, promoting 'Classical Liberalism' in America.

And this is just one more personal opinion, attempting to 'SPIN' the topic and shape it to its perspective of things.

Confusion galore!!! Climate from the scientific perspective is no longer the heart of the matter here.

Instead we are presented with yet another sort of conspiracy ploy, with all the gusto of loss of freedom, police state, American Imperialism.

'... THE CORRUPTED POLITICIANS, THROUGH ITS POLICE STATE ARMADA, WILL IMPOSE ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF THE AVERAGE FREEDOM FIGHTING AMERICAN PATRIOT, WITH THE CLIMATE SCARE PLOY!!!...'

How much kool-aid is there out there, and how many are drinking it???

Paranoiac behavior, is not an dimension that science was ever designed to deal with. Neither was politics, nor 'Classical Liberalism'. Let's kill mental states of confusion and delusion. Let's stop mixing and confusing everything just to serve our unfounded obsessive individual compulsions.

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Sat 12/12/09 02:14 PM
Edited by voileazur on Sat 12/12/09 02:15 PM

But let's take YOUR PERSONAL PERCEPTION of public opinion for argument sake's.


people who do anything for "arguments sake" annoy the crap out of me

every little thing is not subject for argument for arguments sake

if you don't agree just say so

I don't play debater games



'... I don't play debater games...'

Well then, share your wonderful opinions with yourself and stay out of discussion forums.

This is not a polling station, it's a DISCUSSION - ARGUMENT - DEBATING FORUM !!! It is intended for those whom wish to discuss, exchange, argue and debate opposing views and ideas.

And no offense intended, but get real about your tantrums:
'... annoy the crap out of me...'.
I have no personal interest in 'your crap', nor do I have any personal interest in you. We don't know each other. I responded to a comment you posted, with an OPPOSING view. It would appear you missed that too.

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