It is these individuals actions that judge you,

No, there's nothing to have time off from!

Oh is that what's bothering you? That my reaction is typical? Poor baby, you must be so upset! Truth is, if it was DISCUSSION it might be interesting. If it's just jerks with sarcasm, then what's the difference between this and any other thread?

You must spout your mouth off so much in these threads because nobody will listen to you in person! Now THAT is funny! LMAO!

Of course there wouldn't be geological evidence of such. The world wasn't like is now then. The flood changed the face of the earth.

Genesis 1:6-8

6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

Well, I certainly never claimed that atheists are any better than religious people.

The only difference is that if I disagree with your ideas and philosophies then it's just my opinion versus yours.

Religious people hold out their hateful ideas in the name of God. So if I object they kick and scream that I'm questioning the wisdom of God.

Not when you are seeing images in your head that you have never seen with your own two eyes. That should be proof enough when experienced. I personally saw many images with high-detail that I could draw as if I were there in the dimension that the mushrooms were showing me.

Like I said... images I have never even seen with my own two eyes. How would that be possible if the spiritual world did not exist?

I could say the same thing about you, but since we are all one... you are me.

LOL............if there was substantial proof beyond a doubt, don't you think it would be big news and not hidden in a utube archive? Hint: you can't win this or for that matter lose it. And letting a utube video prove your point is inane.

Absolutely. These religious people are horrible. They condemn everyone who refuses to climb aboard their bigotry wagon as being an ungodly heathens who have turned against God and have clearly aligned with a demon.

In short, they are using this gruesome ugly tale of the Hebrews to pass judgment on the souls of decent people. Yet they simultaneously and hypocritically claim that they don't judge others.

That's all these people ever do. They use their dead rubber Jesus doll to beat everyone over the head with in judgment. It's so uncouth.

They buy into it hook line and sinker. Paul erroneously and falsely claimed in his writings that non-believers are "without excuse" for not believing. That's hogwash right there. There are tons of legitimate and sane reasons for rejecting the very rantings of people like Paul himself. Not to mention all the other absurdities in the Hebrew cannon of fables.

In fact, the particular set of fables that we currently refer to as "The Bible" weren't even canonized by the Hebrews. These particular myths were selected by King James in the 1600's. The "Bible" as we know it today wasn't truly even created until a thousand and six hundred years had passed since the time that this man Jesus supposedly lived.

There's more than legitimate "excuses" for not accepting this stuff as the "Word of God". In fact, it's far more sane and reasonable to reject it altogether as nothing more than the opinionated rumors of mortal men.

I've never been too good at explaining myself using words, so instead, I will prove myself using the so-called hard research that I preach. Here are a few videos to get you started on this journey.

Mushrooms and spirituality(scientific study)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT-M5Iu5FpY

Proof Jesus was a mushroom (12 part 2 hour series)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PedXjBSXd2Y

Proof our country is satanic in nature (10 part 100 minute series)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyqwrsuQoNk

and here is a bonus...

Knowledge of Ascension (Dr. Delbert Blair)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3k4ysZNOU0

Let's see you outargue that proof with your little dark-humorous and ridicule-soaked comments, Arcamedees. Anyone that watches those videos will be changed forever... guaranteed. That's magic for you. Anyways, thank you for giving me the motivation to reenforce my point. I have this problem...... I can't stop winning arguments! I don't get it!!! Someone tell me whyyyy!!!!!!!!

No, I want your kitchen table to wobble...

Firstly, you're in an atheist/Agnostic forum, you expected different? Secondly, you know all this how? You are the one who should be providing hard research, after all prove that your person in the sky exist and don't use those hearsay fables either...seems to me that if a god truly exist, there would have been some sort of sign after all these centuries. Oh, I forgot. Jesus showed himself in the form of a potato didn't he.

Romans 2

What you say here is totally incorrect simply because you mistake the very idea of WHO the Christians were.

The followers of this mythology are not the Christians. The Christians are the people who actually wrote it. The followers simply call themselves "Christians". Most modern Christians don't even fully realize what the Bible actually says, much less believe it.

The doctrine demands religious bigotry. Can you deny that? According to this doctrine to reject these stories as the "Word of God" is an "unforgivable sin". According to John, to fail to recognize that Jesus is the only begotten son of God is cause for condemnation.

These aren't my ideas. Moreover, let's get perfectly straight what true bigotry actually consists of. These original Christians who wrote the Bible, as well as the authors who wrote the Torah, or Old Testament, are saying that anyone who refuses to believe in their writings is a heathen who is against God. It claims right in the scriptures that no good can come from a heathen. Heathens have been branded as "enemies of God", and have been judged to be condemned. Not to mention the obvious fact, that having been branded as such anything they say or do will automatically be dismissed as unwise and possible even an act of Satan.

Now when have I ever claimed that people who don't believe like me are 'heathens' or that God will reject them, or that they must be up to no good?

I haven't. So accusing me of such religious bigotry is nonsense. I don't condemn "Christians" (In this case I'm actually referring to the people who claim to follow this religion). But I do point out the fact that they are spreading and perpetuating a religiously bigoted doctrine.

I believe that God loves everyone. Where's the bigotry in that?



I have zero tolerance for the constant proseyltizing of Christians who demand that an ancient ignorant and clearly violent and unwise fable is the "Word of God".

Hey, if they want to believe that for themselves, then more power to them.

But they can't do that. They are out to proselytize and evangelize this morbid stuff onto everyone else. And they also judge everyone who refuses to accept this morbid stuff to be "rejecting God". Just as you are suggesting that I'm doing in your very post.

Have I ever accused you of rejecting God? I do feel that you seem to be bent on insulting God by demanding that these ancient Hebrew myths speak for God. But insulting God is not the same as rejecting Her. She forgives you for you know not what you do.



I see these Abrahamic myths as a spiritual cancer on humanity, yes.

What do you mean by, "despising my beginnings".

So these brainwashing scheme of the ancient Hebrews didn't take on me. So what? As I became older, wiser, and more mature, I realized that it's all a bunch of lies made up by a society that didn't even have decent moral values to begin with.




College has nothing to do with it whatsoever. I started to recognize the fallacies of the Biblical stories while I was still in High School.

Moreover, several of my uncles were preachers and they often came over for dinner. I watched them discussing religion between themselves and realized first-hand that even preachers of the very same denomination don't agree on everything. And sometimes disagree on major points.

It doesn't take a genius to recognize that globally the same thing has occurred in all off-shoots from these original myths. The Jews who had the original myth didn't even buy into the idea that Jesus was "The Christ". Islam is an off-shoot of these same Abrahamic tales. Catholicism is the only "True Christianity" as far as I can see. The protestants are the rebellious ones who protested against the "body of Christ" (i.e. the church) and ran off to form their own personal opinions. They have since been dubbed to be "Paper Popes", because they are nothing more than opinionated men who are attempting to come up with their own interpretations of the ancient scriptures. And clearly the protestants have fallen into many various groups. Look at the Amish. They reject technology altogether as being "evil" in the name of this doctrine.

So it's not merely my opinion that the religion is nothing more than just a bunch of people's opinions. It's historically been verified to be precisely that.

Moreover you accuse me of being "rebellious" but what about all those protesting protestants who "rebelled" against the original form of Christianity?

Protestants have no room to be calling anyone else "rebellious".

I just took Protestantism to the ultimate level. I read the scriptures for myself and came to my own conclusions. My conclusion is that the Old Testament has no more merit than Greek mythology and the New Testament are rumors about a mortal man who actually taught against the very unwise moral values of the false Old Testament. The idea that Jesus could be the "Son" of the original fabled God is utterly absurd, IMHO.

That's a valid position and assessment to take. Poor Jesus was trying to teach people better morals and ended up becoming a victim of the very mythology he was renouncing. Jesus wasn't a God, he was a victim.



No, you're totally incorrect in this. I don't need a replacement mythology. I don't need to have a particular mythology in order to believe in a spiritual existence to reality.

However, having said that, I find it interesting to study the ideas, thoughts, and traditions of other humans on Planet Earth. It's interesting to see what the commonalities are. I do tend to believe in the power of shamanism and shamanic journey work. Simply because it was used and recognized by so many cultures. In fact, even many of the Biblical stories have "god" speaking to men through visions and dreams. That's shamanism.

This my come as a complete and utter shock to you, but I actually believe that many of the shamanic experiences described by the authors of the Bible probably were indeed "divine inspiration". However, that doesn't automatically make every word of ever story the absolute infallible word of some Zeus-like Godhead.



What are you doing here? Attempting to insult me with your Christian Bigotry again?



You cling to a mythology created by a very unwise and patriarchal male-chauvinistic society. A doctrine that clearly states that Women should not speak out on important social matters and especially not on religion. That would be the word of YOUR God.

Yet you don't seem to care much for your LORD's wishes.



I absolutely believe that my fate has been decided. And I'm quite happy about.

The difference between you and I is that I actually trust God and you don't.

I trust my creator to be truly wise, truly intelligent, and truly righteous. And that's all I need. As long as my creator truly possesses these qualities then my fate is sealed. I'll go straight to "Seventh Heaven" when I die (to use a common human expression)

There's no question about it. I have nothing to be 'saved' from other than from the people who are trying to get me to belittle God by joining an organized bigotry wagon that they use to condemn everyone who refuses to climb aboard.

Have I condemned you? Most certainly not. I have absolutely no idea what your fate might be. I know nothing of you. However, I TRUST GOD enough to believe that She will be fair and just with you.

So if you are a fair and just person I see no reason why She won't treat you as such.

And no, I don't truly believe that God is a woman. No more than I believe he's a man. God is spirit. I am spirit. God and I are one. This I know. Yes, it's true, the Eastern Mystics have also recognized this same basic truth and this is why I point to them as having the wisest of all philosophies. But I don't believe this because they say it's true. I believe it because I know it to be true in the core of my being.

I believe like Jesus believed. I and "the Father" or "the Mother" are one. However you want to think of it. I am that I am. That's what Jesus taught, and that's also what I believe. I agree with Jesus. So you should be tickled pink.

There is no arrogant egotistical male-chauvinistic pig that you have to cower down to in order to be 'saved' from his wrath. That would be worse than atheism. Jesus said, "Ye are gods", he also said, "Whatever you do to the least of your brothern you do unto me", because he knew the truth. We are god. Each and every one of us.

So have a little faith and try trusting God instead of fearing God.

Surely you have not convinced yourself

that only Christians can be bigoted...

for you yourself show extreme traits

of intolerance toward Christianity,

all the while twisting scriptures

with tempestuous rantings.

You have zero tolerance for the convictions

of Christians. You go as far as to

brutally bash and blaspheme the Name of

the very God who cradled you from birth.

(As you were raised in a Christian home.)

Rebelliously, you just wish it would all go away

(depising your beginnings).

Your so-called college education

has lifted you above your former associations.

You search and search all other religions

to find a replacement for the one that you abandoned.

Ok, so now you have bought the lies

and sold your soul

to become the step-child

of spirituality and reason...

Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge

of the truth. The proverbial "dog chasing its tail".

If you run fast enough, do you think you might catch it?

As for comparing your characteristics

to those of satan, not many would chance

the response of a sovereign God,

to give such an exhibition.

Except one who believed his fate

has already been decided upon.

"People need to be loving each other-not hating each other"

The Bible on:

Love?

"I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." (Leviticus 26:22)

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31:17-18)

"The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women" (Ezechial 9:4-6)

"When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves." (Deuteronomy 20:13-14)

"You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you." (Deuteronomy 28:53)

"The Lord said to Joshua [...] 'you are to hamstring their horses.' " (Exceedingly cruel.) (Joshua 11:6)

"... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." (Judges 21:10-12)

"This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and *** .... And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword." (1 Samuel 15:3,7-8)

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their women with child ripped open." (Hosea 13:16)

"A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work!
A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!" (Jeremiah 48:10)

Is this really the "word of God" or the cruel thoughts of Bronze age warriors?
Did you know this was in the bible? If not then are you shocked? If you did know it was there then is Christianity really about a healthy loving relationship or is it a case of the Stockholm syndrome?"

Considering that yall's "love" of Hitler did enough damage...wait, then you guys supported the Dippic into office giving us this disaster we live in today...a million Arabs killed. Thousands of our soldiers die for a lie...ALL for your "love"

I guess it's all about LIES.

LMAO! I have been patiently waiting for someone else to call him out on that besides me, since I called his BS in the other thread! Ha ha ha ha ha!

Seems to me that you(Arcamedees) have not made one good point yet that would be helpful to anyone except for yourself. I want readers to keep this in mind as they go through your ridiculous posts of HATE. People need to be loving each other-not hating each other. I think that any 2 year old with a brain could figure that one out.

nope not really...you're speaking in parables....aren't parables why there are some many different sects of christians because they are confused as to what Jesus spoke ..so come on don't tell us what came out of the horses's ***...let's hear what came out of the horse's mouth

in other words....WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT WILLIS?