If String theory is correct, it could be 11 (or 12) dimensional. But regardless of the number of dimensions of the universe, a God who exists outside of the universe would still be omniscient.

I thought my point was obvious. Omniscience is absolutely possible from a scientific perspective.

Just adding my 2 cents.

Because then we would not have appreciated heaven as much. Take rich kids for instance. They appreciate money less then poor people. They spend it on useless things and get all sorts of things. Something breaks, they're like oh well i'll get another. There's no real appreciation for what they have. Same with if we would have been made in heaven. We wouldn't know what it's like to have any form of pain so we would take heaven for granted.

Our actions and choices of things we do aren't premeditated into us, we're not "programmed". We have free will and make decisions on our own. We can listen or be disobedient. Does not reflect the creator. If we were programmed to be a certain way then yes it would be the creators fault. But since people willingly choose how to behave through their lives influenced by what they wish to allow influence from then no it can not be the creators fault.

After 5 seconds if that long of seeing our father i will not give a crap what happened to me in this life. But i plan to make more memories in heaven with our father, my loved ones, and everyone else that is there.

The universe isn't 3 dimensional, it's 4 dimensional. Time is co-terminus with space. A God who exists outside of space would exist outside of time. That means God could see the entirety of time and space, which would essentially be Omniscience. God's knowledge isn't a result of magic or "middle knowledge", it's the logical result of a being existing outside of time and space.

I'll quote Einstein:


Past, present and future only exists to us, because we are trapped in 4 dimensional space.

Yes, life is a life long test. Not by God for our father does not test or tempt us. But he allows Satan to tempt us, in anyway he wishes. Wasn't to prove a point wasn't anything like that, this kind of stuff happens everyday to everyone. We loose people, we loose objects, we loose jobs, we loose alot. But all that is lost is multiplied and waiting for us in heaven.

Without bad things happening to us in our lives, it would be like heaven. No sickness, no pain, no anything negative is what heaven will be like. We're not in heaven. We have sickness, physical and emotional pain, tragedies and much more.

Again, all that is lost to us on this world, if we do not curse God or loose faith. We will have our reward waiting for us in heaven. EVERYONE has their reward after we pass away on this earth. We will have rewards for the works we did and or the way we lived our lives. We live our lives in a holy way and try our best to serve our lord, our reward will be great. If our works and or life we live is disobedient and or bad, our rewards will be of the same manner.

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In fact, taking this to the limit we can clearly see that Jesus could not have paid for anyone sins because Jesus didn't die spiritually. Any pain or suffering that he might have endured would be totally moot because punishment and suffering have absolutely nothing to do with any payments for sin.
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He sacrificed his entire life for you. He sacrificed every waking second of his day for you in one way or other. In the end he sacrificed himself to go through all the pain emotionally and physically being put on that cross, for you. That is how he paid for your sins, through the sacrifices he made for you.
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1. The only reward for sin is death.
2. Ceasing to exist isn't a punishment.
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1. Yes very true
2. is a punishment depending on you. Do you wish to be with your loved ones for eternity? Do you wish to share in joyful memories with your loved ones for eternity? Or do you wish to just disappear after you pass away on earth. Punishment is only punishment if it is not what the one wants. Prison is used as punishment in the USA, but might not be punishment to someone that wishes to be there. I mean heck free rent, free everything, not having to work. How could that be punishment for someone that doesn't wish to have much in life?
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The story that you try to make from this fable has no consistency or reason to it at all. These ancient fables cannot be made to make any sense at all. They are nonsense.
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It does make sense. Most people wish to continue on enjoying living with their loved ones and having joyful memories made with them. They do not wish to say good bye when they have to pass away on this earth, is why funerals and such are so gloomy and sad. They do not wish to depart from that person. Thus, God offers us a way to not have to depart from them. Gives us a chance to be with them and enjoy each other for ever.

well I heard that he talks to himself or two others of himself

Maybe God does lack omniscience to a degree. Maybe She created the universe in such a way as to contain an element of randomness.

She's the God of quantum mechanics. The God who plays dice, remember?

But it's not totally random chaos. Just like dice aren't.

When you roll a pair of dice the precise number that comes up is random. However, at the same time you know that the number that comes up will be a whole number between or including 2 to 12. Nothing else is possible. So in a sense you know all possible outcomes, yet you don't know what the specific outcome will be.

This is how the God works that created this universe. She's given us the freedom to gamble. And even She doesn't know precisely what numbers will come up, she only knows that numbers are possible.

Only in that sense is She omniscient.

That's how She gave us FREE WILL. If we didn't have that random element then we couldn't have freedom of choice.

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Cowboy doesn't paint God up to be all love and roses. Cowboy likes his God to be a nasty SOB. It's easier to threaten people with a God who doesn't care about them. He continually states that there's nothing in it for God.
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No i'm not going to or will I ever paint the picture of God to be all roses. But God is all love. There is something in it for God, love. God gains nothing but you from you accepting Jesus as lord and saviour. He doesn't become more powerful or anything of such, he only wants YOU. He loves YOU and wants YOU to come home.
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God is seeking devoted servants who will do his will without question or hesitation. According to the Bible Jesus himself lusts to be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords over the few humans who will make it into his kingdom.
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No, Jesus doesn't lust to be the king of kings and lord of lords, he is king of kings and lord of lords.
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Get down on your knees Arcamedees and beg for mercy! If you refuse to cower down to this demon and worship it he will KILL you! Or worse yet, he'll cast you into a state of eternal suffering to appease his lust for sadism.
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No, there is only possibilites after we leave this world. Either ceasing to exist or heaven. It's not out of punishment. Ok say you're on a dead end road headed for a drop off on a cliff, there's guard rails all on the side so you can drive off the road and you can't stop cause there's to much traffic. Jesus is there offering a way off that road leading to the kingdom of God. You can keep driving if you wish, but God offers for you to share in the love and joy. Ceasing to exist isn't a punishment, that's just where the road ends if you do not wish to get off the road.
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He's so desperate to be worshiped he even had his own son slaughtered on a pole. Probably to demonstrate to people just how heartless and cruel he can be. If he'll be that mean to his own son just imagine what he might do to you! :devil
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The crucifixtion of Jesus was for you. Was to be forgiven for YOUR sins. So in all honesty, it was YOU that crucified Jesus or as you say "slaughtered on a pole".
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No love lost for this God. This God hates your guts. It's a God that's so full of hate there isn't any room for love.
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Yeah God hates us. That's why he offers eternal paradise full of love. That's why he's there for us when we are in need if we call upon him for his help. Yeah really sounds like he just hates our guts.

Where did I ever say that I "believe" in anything?

Where did I ever say that anything is "true and correct"?

Are you confusing faith with belief?

Consider what I said; "THAT is how grand the creator of this universe necessarily must be if one exists."

Did I say that I know one exists and this is "true". No.

Did I even say that I "believe" one exists? No.

All I say is that I have FAITH that if one exists it must necessarily be far grander than Cowboy's selfish egotistical demonic God.

You seem to be missing the point entirely.

I have FAITH that if there is a God, She's WONDERFUL. After all, as far as I'm concerned that's the very definition of God. Because a God who is as mean and nasty as Cowboy's God wouldn't be a God by definition anyway, it would be a demon.

Do I have FAITH that God is truly wonderful beyond our wildest imagination. Yes.

Do I know that a God exists? No. I do have reasons to suspect that we are God though. In fact, all that basically boils down to is that our true essence is spiritual and eternal, and yes, I have reasons to suspect that this may very well be the case.

Do I claim to know that this is truth? No. I confess that when it come to this subject material I am necessarily agnostic (i.e. without absolute knowledge) But I am willing to offer reasons why I feel that it is more likely than not.

Where's the hypocrisy in any of that?

What in the world does reason have to do with this?

How is that being a complete a-hole? When someone does something terribly wrong to you, weather it's your wife cheating on you or other.. do they not have to show some form of regret for doing as such before you can truly forgive them? Or is a simple "i'm sorry, i won't do it again" good enough for you after you just caught you're wife and another man in bed together.

Today is:

20.10.2010

Have a nice day.

I don't think people born from a womb have much going for them either. Near as I can tell, humans, no matter how they were made, have few if any redeeming qualities. The entire concept of human rights is ridiculous, we are just animals like any other, we are just more devious in our ways of destroying each other. The "soul" or "mind energy," that's just a made up concept devised to make one feel better about their own passing, that there is a life beyond this one.

All animals have some form of consciousness, they know they exist. So, by that rational, it is no different to put a magnifying glass over an ant, than it would be your clone or little brother, it's going to hurt or kill all of them. We just like to believe that because we are "human" we have some special right to life that other animals don't. It's a false belief, and the argument is spurious at best. No, it is no different to kill or harvest a "human animal" that it would be a pig or deer, we just like to think there is.

would it make a difference?

I have more faith in God than you can't even begin to comprehend.

And like Adventure Begins, the God I have faith in is so much grander than the God you've created that I wouldn't even begin to expect you to comprehend it.

You worship a book. You push a book. You're a book salesman.

God is so far above those ancient Hebrews that you worship that until you get your mind out of their book you'll never even be able to imagine what God is truly like.

Just imagine the greatest God that you can possibly muster in your wildest imagination, and then realize that you haven't even come CLOSE. THAT is how grand the creator of this universe necessarily must be if one exists.

And She certainly doesn't need YOU to save any souls except perhaps YOUR OWN.

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A belief in a God or a spiritual essence to life is entirely a matter of faith. It can be nothing more than this.
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EVERYTHING is through a form of faith.

Do you worry about paying the bills this month?... probably not, you have FAITH that you will get them paid
Do you worry about eating tomorrow?....... probably not, you have FAITH that you will get some food tomorrow.
Do you worry that your house will be burned down when you return home? .... Probably not, you have FAITH that it is safe.
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There's no proof any of these things will go through the way they are suppose to, this is all possible. So why not give our father the possibility? Why have more faith in earthly things then heavenly things?

You don't even understand why we are to accept Jesus it does not sound like. The phrase actions speak louder then words spell it out pretty good. Ok first off, you'll agree that to work sufficiantly there needs to be laws of a kingdom, and punishment for breaking those laws. No country would work ran any other way, would be anarchy. So with that established, the kingdom of God has laid out some laws for us to abide by. Again with actions speak louder then words, when you break a law you then will be punished by this kingdom. But God offers forgiveness of our sins when we stumble and "break the law of the kingdom". And as i've repeated many times in this post, actions speak louder then words. You can say you're sorry and you won't do it again ect ect, but how is God to believe that you'll use your free will as such with just words when your previous actions have said differently? He doesn't and is why people sacrificed things for forgiveness. Eg., showing their sorry and regret through and action rather then just through words. I've said all this to show why you have to accept Jesus before you can enter into the kingdom of God. Jesus came to earth, Sacrificed his entire life for you. In the end literally sacrificed himself up for you. Thus allowing us to accept his sacrifice for our own. And with that, we are forgiven for the great sacrifice we made to our father.

God is not in the book... bible. The information on our father is there, but not the father himself. God can be found everyone. Since we have separated ourselves from our father with sin, we can't in an exact tense see him in a physical form. But you can still see him everywhere. Seeking God shows attempt to reach him, actions speak louder then words. And is why God has you seek him first before he reveals himself to you. For if God revealed himself to everyone right off the bat, people would have no other choice but to believe in him. But since we have to earn our way back into the kingdom his presence isn't given, but received through your own choice, your decisions, shows greater love if you are willing to seek him first rather then just handed to you on a silver platter.