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Did you know? The US has deployed troops in Germany and Japan for 63 years, and Korea for 57. Might Iraq, in the end, require the same committment for freedom and democracy? Can you imagine the consequences for our nation if we had of pulled out of Germany after five years? Perserverence paid off in the long run with E and W Germany uniting on that incredible day when the Berlin wall came down without a major war. Can you imagine what a current map of the world would look like and the number of wars that the US might have fought if we had pulled out of South Korea or Japan after five years? And now we have a foothold in the Middle East - history teaches us that a society will choose freedom and democracy over anarchy but only if someone provides the inspiration and opportunities. The middle east is a breeding ground for terroism - just ignore them for a while and leave and you will see what happens! Lindyy says: FINALLY somone with some intelligence and background information. John McCain's remarks about 100 years were totally taken out of contextIt was a tongue in cheek remark. I listened to his interiew by Sean Hannity. He basically was saying "however long it takes to keep things peacefully established, especially on behalf of the US. That is when he emphasized what he meant by US having troops in Germany, Japan, Korea, Kuwait, etc. to explain his '100' year remark. You people keep forgetting that we have an all volunteer military. The men and women joined at their own free will and are reinlisting, something the left liberal new meadia will NOT tell the public. Lindyy 
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Did you know? The US has deployed troops in Germany and Japan for 63 years, and Korea for 57. Might Iraq, in the end, require the same committment for freedom and democracy? Can you imagine the consequences for our nation if we had of pulled out of Germany after five years? Perserverence paid off in the long run with E and W Germany uniting on that incredible day when the Berlin wall came down without a major war. Can you imagine what a current map of the world would look like and the number of wars that the US might have fought if we had pulled out of South Korea or Japan after five years? And now we have a foothold in the Middle East - history teaches us that a society will choose freedom and democracy over anarchy but only if someone provides the inspiration and opportunities. The middle east is a breeding ground for terroism - just ignore them for a while and leave and you will see what happens! The other wars were not the same and our presence in those other countries was not the same as here, but nice try. We need to let them govern their country. If they need help in the future they can ask and we will help. The people of Iraq need to get into running Iraq. It is not our job. Plus, killing terrorist there is not shortening the supply of terrorist worldwide as some would like to have others believe. Terrorists are world wide. We have them here in our country and they are white. |
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It does apply but on a smaller scale. We sat on the sidelines far too long before becoming engaged in most of our World wars and Korea. Maybe we learned our lesson to get involved before World War three breaks out.
We had a presence in Japan, W Germany, and S Korea but that hasn't prevented them from having a government!!! Five years wouldn't have cut it though!!! Terroist have flocked to Iraq to kill Americans so I don't see how you can say there isn't a shortage of terroist. Where are the new attacks here in America? I won't dignify your last comment with any remark so whatever. |
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im for a phased withdrawl of troops. Immediate withdrawl would mean genocide. As far as setting time limits i don't see where anyone in Washington should choose how long it takes. This is a job for the leaders of those on the ground. These are the only ones who actually know what is going on. I'm not against permanent duty stations like the ones we have in Kuwait and Korea either. They may actually deter future threats. But what do i know, im just a veteran.
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Tue 03/18/08 02:48 PM
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Has it occured to anyone that the major strength of terrorists is their propoganda? This is the only reason they even exists. They have excellent publicists. Kinda like the old catholic church used to during the crusades. That's how they got so many followers. Anyway, I find it sad when their propoganda goes along with those of democrats. Democrats are using the same strategy to fade out the republicans right now. And they are using the twisted stories started by the enemies. Dog eat dog. The rebublicans do the same thing, im not blind. This is the problem with our party system. Its a war for power. This is also the problem with getting information from the media. Not one single show is unbiased. Sad but true. Anyhow, just look at vietnam. We were obviously winning. The enemy was getting desparate and even considering surrender until they saw how are media was getting everyone all wound up. Anti-war movements are pretty much why we lost. The enemy back then, just like now, knows that all they have to do is hang in there a little longer and their work will be done for them.
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Tue 03/18/08 02:52 PM
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Did you know? The US has deployed troops in Germany and Japan for 63 years, and Korea for 57. Might Iraq, in the end, require the same committment for freedom and democracy? Can you imagine the consequences for our nation if we had of pulled out of Germany after five years? Perserverence paid off in the long run with E and W Germany uniting on that incredible day when the Berlin wall came down without a major war. Can you imagine what a current map of the world would look like and the number of wars that the US might have fought if we had pulled out of South Korea or Japan after five years? And now we have a foothold in the Middle East - history teaches us that a society will choose freedom and democracy over anarchy but only if someone provides the inspiration and opportunities. The middle east is a breeding ground for terroism - just ignore them for a while and leave and you will see what happens! Lindyy says: FINALLY somone with some intelligence and background information. John McCain's remarks about 100 years were totally taken out of contextIt was a tongue in cheek remark. I listened to his interiew by Sean Hannity. He basically was saying "however long it takes to keep things peacefully established, especially on behalf of the US. That is when he emphasized what he meant by US having troops in Germany, Japan, Korea, Kuwait, etc. to explain his '100' year remark. You people keep forgetting that we have an all volunteer military. The men and women joined at their own free will and are reinlisting, something the left liberal new meadia will NOT tell the public. Lindyy
OK Lindyy, fair enough. What IS McCain's exit strategy? Does he even HAVE one? |
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Why does everyone say its all about oil. We have been there since 03 and all gas prices have done is gone up. If we were getting oil they would be going down. At least if it was about oil I wouldn't be breaking the bank every time I fill my tank. how much oil/fuel do you think the military is using? |
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For starters McCain is the only one qualified to make any military decisions. But since when was it the president's responsibility anyway? The president doesn't make the decision to go to war ultimately nor does he or she make the decision to surrender. It's kinda a joint effort thing. Anyhow candidate that has a plan for our troops automatically loses credibility. ESPECIALLY when the person has lack of experience. This is a plan for the leaders on the ground. Until they have a meeting there is no decision that can reasonably be made.
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Tue 03/18/08 03:00 PM
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Why does everyone say its all about oil. We have been there since 03 and all gas prices have done is gone up. If we were getting oil they would be going down. At least if it was about oil I wouldn't be breaking the bank every time I fill my tank. how much oil/fuel do you think the military is using? so this is just our military's gas we are fighting for? Im thinking if there is a conspiracy revolving around this conflict, it is more complicated then just oil. |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Tue 03/18/08 03:04 PM
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It does apply but on a smaller scale. We sat on the sidelines far too long before becoming engaged in most of our World wars and Korea. Maybe we learned our lesson to get involved before World War three breaks out. We had a presence in Japan, W Germany, and S Korea but that hasn't prevented them from having a government!!! Five years wouldn't have cut it though!!! Terroist have flocked to Iraq to kill Americans so I don't see how you can say there isn't a shortage of terroist. Where are the new attacks here in America? I won't dignify your last comment with any remark so whatever. We have not had an attack here is because we are in Iraq????  Do you really believe that bullsh*t???? That shows how very uninformed our public here is if they believe that our troops being in Iraq, which did not house any terrorists that struck us in the first place, is effecting whether we have any new attacks here.
The only reason we are not having new attacks here is because of what little homeland security we are doing here at airports and borders. The awareness in each city of possible attacks and preventative measures is what has stopped new attacks here. Our troops being in Iraq has only made the pool of terrorists larger. The pot is being stirred. That is all that is happening there on the "war on terror". Bush bamboozled all of you on this subject. Time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks, really!!!!!   
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Has it occured to anyone that the major strength of terrorists is their propoganda? This is the only reason they even exists. They have excellent publicists. Kinda like the old catholic church used to during the crusades. That's how they got so many followers. Anyway, I find it sad when their propoganda goes along with those of democrats. Democrats are using the same strategy to fade out the republicans right now. And they are using the twisted stories started by the enemies. Dog eat dog. The rebublicans do the same thing, im not blind. This is the problem with our party system. Its a war for power. This is also the problem with getting information from the media. Not one single show is unbiased. Sad but true. Anyhow, just look at vietnam. We were obviously winning. The enemy was getting desparate and even considering surrender until they saw how are media was getting everyone all wound up. Anti-war movements are pretty much why we lost. The enemy back then, just like now, knows that all they have to do is hang in there a little longer and their work will be done for them. Sorry, no offense, but this is BULLSH*T!!!! Republican warmongerers, fearmongerers have been using this same crap for 5 years now and none of it is true. Garbage. |
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so this is just our military's gas we are fighting for?
Im thinking if there is a conspiracy revolving around this conflict, it is more complicated then just oil. that's not at all what i said... fuel prices might have gone down if the military wasn't using so much gas on a daily basis |
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Has it occured to anyone that the major strength of terrorists is their propoganda? This is the only reason they even exists. They have excellent publicists. Kinda like the old catholic church used to during the crusades. That's how they got so many followers. Anyway, I find it sad when their propoganda goes along with those of democrats. Democrats are using the same strategy to fade out the republicans right now. And they are using the twisted stories started by the enemies. Dog eat dog. The rebublicans do the same thing, im not blind. This is the problem with our party system. Its a war for power. This is also the problem with getting information from the media. Not one single show is unbiased. Sad but true. Anyhow, just look at vietnam. We were obviously winning. The enemy was getting desparate and even considering surrender until they saw how are media was getting everyone all wound up. Anti-war movements are pretty much why we lost. The enemy back then, just like now, knows that all they have to do is hang in there a little longer and their work will be done for them. Sorry, no offense, but this is BULLSH*T!!!! Republican warmongerers, fearmongerers have been using this same crap for 5 years now and none of it is true. Garbage. My dear, it would be wise to consult both sides of the story. I am no republican, nor and i a die hard supporter of Bush. But i do know that there is a war in washington and democrats are no better than republicans. They both manipulate the media in their own light. 
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Has it occured to anyone that the major strength of terrorists is their propoganda? This is the only reason they even exists. They have excellent publicists. Kinda like the old catholic church used to during the crusades. That's how they got so many followers. Anyway, I find it sad when their propoganda goes along with those of democrats. Democrats are using the same strategy to fade out the republicans right now. And they are using the twisted stories started by the enemies. Dog eat dog. The rebublicans do the same thing, im not blind. This is the problem with our party system. Its a war for power. This is also the problem with getting information from the media. Not one single show is unbiased. Sad but true. Anyhow, just look at vietnam. We were obviously winning. The enemy was getting desparate and even considering surrender until they saw how are media was getting everyone all wound up. Anti-war movements are pretty much why we lost. The enemy back then, just like now, knows that all they have to do is hang in there a little longer and their work will be done for them. Sorry, no offense, but this is BULLSH*T!!!! Republican warmongerers, fearmongerers have been using this same crap for 5 years now and none of it is true. Garbage. My dear, it would be wise to consult both sides of the story. I am no republican, nor and i a die hard supporter of Bush. But i do know that there is a war in washington and democrats are no better than republicans. They both manipulate the media in their own light.
Wow. I actually agree with that statement! |
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Lindyy says: FINALLY somone with some intelligence and background information. John McCain's remarks about 100 years were totally taken out of contextIt was a tongue in cheek remark. I listened to his interiew by Sean Hannity. He basically was saying "however long it takes to keep things peacefully established, especially on behalf of the US. That is when he emphasized what he meant by US having troops in Germany, Japan, Korea, Kuwait, etc. to explain his '100' year remark. You people keep forgetting that we have an all volunteer military. The men and women joined at their own free will and are reinlisting, something the left liberal new meadia will NOT tell the public. Lindyy
OK Lindyy, fair enough. What IS McCain's exit strategy? Does he even HAVE one? MNhiker: You drive me nutz. There cannot be, at this time, any DEFINITE plan. It is basically, play it by ear. We still have troops in Kuwait, Germany, South Korea, Japan, so how can there be anything definite now for Iraq? Can you imagine what Iran would do if we left Iraq soon? Good by Israel, Hello more 9/11 in the USA. Things, due to the 'surge', are finally turning for the good. Patience is a virtue. Lindyy
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so this is just our military's gas we are fighting for?
Im thinking if there is a conspiracy revolving around this conflict, it is more complicated then just oil. that's not at all what i said... fuel prices might have gone down if the military wasn't using so much gas on a daily basis Fuel prices are due to lack of refineries in the US, something the democrats will now allow. Neither will they allow drilling in Answer, the Gulf coast, etc. I was talking to a Pakastani waiting for the bus one day, and even He KNEW what the problem is! Lack of refineries. Why are some Americans so thick skulled? Lindyy
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Lindyy says: FINALLY somone with some intelligence and background information. John McCain's remarks about 100 years were totally taken out of contextIt was a tongue in cheek remark. I listened to his interiew by Sean Hannity. He basically was saying "however long it takes to keep things peacefully established, especially on behalf of the US. That is when he emphasized what he meant by US having troops in Germany, Japan, Korea, Kuwait, etc. to explain his '100' year remark. You people keep forgetting that we have an all volunteer military. The men and women joined at their own free will and are reinlisting, something the left liberal new meadia will NOT tell the public. Lindyy
OK Lindyy, fair enough. What IS McCain's exit strategy? Does he even HAVE one? MNhiker: You drive me nutz. There cannot be, at this time, any DEFINITE plan. It is basically, play it by ear. We still have troops in Kuwait, Germany, South Korea, Japan, so how can there be anything definite now for Iraq? Can you imagine what Iran would do if we left Iraq soon? Good by Israel, Hello more 9/11 in the USA. Things, due to the 'surge', are finally turning for the good. Patience is a virtue. Lindyy
I'm sorry Lindyy, I won't vote for anyone who has to 'play it by ear'. The stakes are too enormous for that, especially for our troops. 
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Fuel prices are due to lack of refineries in the US, something the democrats will now allow. Neither will they allow drilling in Answer, the Gulf coast, etc.
I was talking to a Pakastani waiting for the bus one day, and even He KNEW what the problem is! Lack of refineries. Why are some Americans so thick skulled? Lindyy
yeah ok.. upped use has nothing to do with availability and price |
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The only reason we are not having new attacks here is because of what little homeland security we are doing here at airports and borders. The awareness in each city of possible attacks and preventative measures is what has stopped new attacks here. Lindyy says; Well, I'll be.....SOMETHING finally sunk in to dragon! HOMELAND SECURITY and partnership with our allies. Lindyy
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Fuel prices are due to lack of refineries in the US, something the democrats will now allow. Neither will they allow drilling in Answer, the Gulf coast, etc. Lindyy
Ooops, meant 'democrats will NOT allow.' Lindyy |
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