Community > Politics, Current News & Events

Topic: Immediate withdrawal, phased withdrawal or 100 years?
MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Wed 03/19/08 10:03 AM
Has it occured to anyone that the major strength of terrorists is their propoganda? This is the only reason they even exists. They have excellent publicists. Kinda like the old catholic church used to during the crusades. That's how they got so many followers. Anyway, I find it sad when their propoganda goes along with those of democrats. Democrats are using the same strategy to fade out the republicans right now. And they are using the twisted stories started by the enemies. Dog eat dog. The rebublicans do the same thing, im not blind. This is the problem with our party system. Its a war for power. This is also the problem with getting information from the media. Not one single show is unbiased. Sad but true. Anyhow, just look at vietnam. We were obviously winning. The enemy was getting desparate and even considering surrender until they saw how are media was getting everyone all wound up. Anti-war movements are pretty much why we lost. The enemy back then, just like now, knows that all they have to do is hang in there a little longer and their work will be done for them. Sorry, no offense, but this is BULLSH*T!!!! Republican warmongerers, fearmongerers have been using this same crap for 5 years now and none of it is true. Garbage. You go girl. Some of these guys just like to beat up on women

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 03/19/08 10:32 AM
Has it occured to anyone that the major strength of terrorists is their propoganda? This is the only reason they even exists. They have excellent publicists. Kinda like the old catholic church used to during the crusades. That's how they got so many followers. Anyway, I find it sad when their propoganda goes along with those of democrats. Democrats are using the same strategy to fade out the republicans right now. And they are using the twisted stories started by the enemies. Dog eat dog. The rebublicans do the same thing, im not blind. This is the problem with our party system. Its a war for power. This is also the problem with getting information from the media. Not one single show is unbiased. Sad but true. Anyhow, just look at vietnam. We were obviously winning. The enemy was getting desparate and even considering surrender until they saw how are media was getting everyone all wound up. Anti-war movements are pretty much why we lost. The enemy back then, just like now, knows that all they have to do is hang in there a little longer and their work will be done for them. Sorry, no offense, but this is BULLSH*T!!!! Republican warmongerers, fearmongerers have been using this same crap for 5 years now and none of it is true. Garbage. You go girl. Some of these guys just like to beat up on women Mirror Although drivin disagrees strongly sometimes he has been one of the kinder individuals on the threads so I do not know if I would lump drivin in with all. But you could be right, control is the reason that women get beat and warmongers and fearmongers are using these tools for control sooooo it is logical to make that deduction of some. I appreciate your support in my convictions

Totage Joined Sat 10/13/07 Posts: 24210	Wed 03/19/08 10:41 AM
Each Presidential candidate has different views on how soon the United States should leave Iraq. Barack Obama favors a phased withdrawal of troops over 16 months. What does Hillary Clinton favor? Your guess is as good as mine. She's been waffling on the question. John McCain stated that being in Iraq for 100 years is 'fine with him'. The phased withdrawal concept is nothing new. Bush Jr. and Tony Blair proposed it in 2006. http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Report_Bush_Blair_to_announce_phased_0522.html What do you think? The war in Iraq is going to be worse than the Vietnam war. We should have never gone in the first place. JMO

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Wed 03/19/08 01:54 PM Edited by Drivinmenutz on Wed 03/19/08 02:07 PM
I think there have been many fooled from propoganda by both sides. Some believe that there can be no good coming from this. That we are the cause of all the current problems and should just leave. This is propoganda used against us. Remember, terrorists in general, use this as their most powerful asset. Any country would use this as a powerful asset against us. Its our biggest weakness, the legislative branch trying to tell the military how to run things. History also shows that this hindered our fight in vietnam. Then there is the propoganda used to convince us that we have made no mistakes and that everyone that voted us to go in were just trying to rid the world of terrorists and had no other agendas on their mind. This the other propoganda used. Yes, this causes fear. Fear causes people to think irrationally. I guess my message is this. No matter what you hear, be it good or bad, chances are it's just someone trying to convince you to change your opinion in their favor. Nope. Some people are telling the truth and some are telling falsehoods intentionally or out of ignorance. Who are these "terrorists" you are talking about? Sounds kinda weird There is no black and white in this issue. There are 3 colors involved. They grey, the in between, has more truth than either the black or white. And yes, people are telling falsehoods out of ignorance. These falsehoods are both sides of the issue i previously brought up. I for one can tell you that insurgents are directly responsible for (about) 75 to 80% of the civilian casualties in this matter. The media that would have you believe that the U.S. blindly bombs places where POSSIBLE targets are is bogus. I can't say it has never happend. But i have never seen it. It didn't happen the entire time i was in Baghdad. (From 04 to 05). So i personally call bull^&%t on mostof the material created to make us look bad. I have seen in many cases, insurgents targeting civilians. Sometimes a soldier or two gets taken down with them. I can give you specific stories. Trust me, the media that explains us as targeting civilians or killing millions with our bombs are telling lies. These lies are just as big as the ones that try to tie Iraq in with the war on terror. Both sides of the issue use propoganda and lies. And yes terrorists do exist. Does anybody argue against Iran having them in power? You also can't tell me that Iran has honorable interests in Iraq and you can't deny the fact that they are helping certain groups of insurgents. Yes, this is done on a LARGE scale also downtalked by certain media groups. I have personally gotten shot at by Iranian military snipers in Baghdad. Once again, the strategies i speak of are mostly speculation based on my personal experiences and my own training. (The unit i was in had recieved extensive training in aribic culture and some in their language. We were also taught to pose as terrorists before we ever came down on orders to deploy. This is where i know about their propoganda.)

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Wed 03/19/08 01:55 PM
And once again i appreciate the respect you show me Dragoness.