this site really needs an eye roll smiley

Let me clarify, many of the posters have claimed in this and other threads that any type of regulations on firearms is an infringement on the right to bare arms, I was pointing out that these regulations to a point are a good thing, not neccesarily a ban on hand guns but background checks, waiting periods, and serial stamping on bullets. Again, nobody has proposed banning guns altogether;^]

This was posted way back on the front page.
What the NAS found was simply and clearly stated.
They found the studies to be inconclusive.

The last time I looked? 'Inconclusive' does not mean that gun control does not reduce crime and violence.
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=10881

serial stamping on bullets? dude...have you seen what happens to most bullets when they hit something?

Actualy I have, but the shell generaly remains in tact. It's nothing new at all, they use it all the time to link bullets to gun in question and as evidance in murder trials;^]

the shell remains in tact if it doesn't hit anything solid. and not everyone used fmj ammo.

also, they usually match the scratches on the bullet with the rifling inside the barrel

Even when it hits a brick wall a shell only flattens leaving the stamp still visible. Yes, they failed to make it federal law, but it should be;^]

it's not uncommon for the bullet to come to pieces

Yes, but even when that does happen the pieces can be matched and hence, still read;^]

Huh?
The shell by definition, is the entire round. Made of the cartridge, primer, propellant and projectile. In some vernacular.. It is the cartridge which contains the primer, propellant and projectile. Unless we are talking artillery..then it is the projectile which contains an explosive and fuse.

So.. At best? In this conversation... The shell is either an unfired round, or the piece of brass that flies out the side of the firearm or stays in the chamber.
You are talking about the projectile, or bullet.




Why not? They do it with high explosives. Little macroscopic tags that have a serial number attached to a database, which enable tracking from the manufacturer to the final purchaser and user.

I explained this, please don't quote my post and degrade any person(s) so that it may stay.

We ban guns people will get guns, from who you might ask? Mafia, street gangs, and other criminal organizations. Thus putting them in a higher state of power than they currently are in, above the law. Money equals power, money also equals freedom if needed...give criminals money and they are higher than the law. Bad idea.

i could be wrong, but it took it as the copper encasing the lead on a fmj

Where do you think they get guns?
Do you think that the guns on the street are bought through the manufacturer? The criminals just call up Beretta and arrange for a drop shipment?

The average illegal firearm was once a legal one. Bought by a citizen, who had a right to own it. Then it became a black market item, as soon as someone relieved him of that ownership.

So.. it really does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you reduce the available legal weapons.. You also reduce the number of illegal ones too.

Yes domestically, but international crime will become an epidemic. The Russian mob will have a heyday, as well as the Italian mob. Illegalizing anything has never helped, we need better police, judges, courts, and jury. There in lies the problem. You would be suprised at how many criminals actually get their guns legally...

i said it a couple pages ago and i'll say it again...

i had a full auto pistol offered to me

only way that thing started out being legally own is if someone with an auto license had it stolen or sold it, the latter i find highly unlikely

You know,
I've been shooting spit balls, since I was old enough to let go of the tit, long enough, to put a straw in my mouth! Started using a sling-shot when I was anout 4. Moved on to BB guns, .22's, etc., etc..
I grew up in the country, there were 4 houses on our road, and it was a rural mt road to boot.
I thought I was an excellent shot, and to civilian standards, I was.

Then, I joined the US Army Infantry. I qualified expert with every weapon an Infantry soldier has in his arsenal! M-16 - semi-fire, and automatic, night fire(no night-vision scopes), M203, M60, 50 cal, LAW, anyway you can sorta get the idea! I know some of you understand what Im talking about!

But,
when I arrived at Ft, Benning, GA, and started training, it was the first time I realized how little a civilian knows about weapons or shooting! That's why I kinda chuckle to myself when I read some of the HOCKEY being said here....

OK,
I got that off my chest! Please continue!!!

True. However.. We are talking about a product that cannot be grown or built using common everyday products laying around. Sure..you can make a zip gun with a length of pipe, a few washers, an end cap, a spring and nail.. But chances are you will blow your arm off with it.
We are not talking about pot or meth...
Weapons take engineering and factories. The traffic of weapons coming across our borders would be easier to control then the weapons we have here legally.

Your mentioning that 'Many criminals get their weapons legally'. Really is not a good argument for less gun control...I might add.



Or it was a modified semi-auto.

What should happen is when you register to vote you are issued a firearm and ammunition. Attend manditory classes on how and when to use it. I truely believe this would help. It would also help if we were still allow to instill responsibility in children. Some of these rules that people come up with are insane. Did you guys know if you are teaching young kids you aren't even allowed to tell them "no" anymore? You are supposed to use positive reinforcement to prevent the child from feeling bad. This is a major joke that is messing with society. Giving power to people is not the problem. It is teaching them how to wield and take responsibility for that power that is the problem.