still waiting for someone to admit to using toys, movies, pictures or somewhere exciting

Why not have open Marrages? People are going to cheat, or think about it a billion times. Just let the other person know before you do it. Have a cheat contract. Before you cheat, you let the other partner sign off on it.

ok??? why is asking a question for intelligent debate stupid???

does it count if you use them all by yourself?

Pre-approved cheating? Open relationship? What part of stupid do you not understand? Once you are in a relationship...shouldn't one be faithfull?

i was referring to using them with partners. i know alot do it (maybe not admit it) but my point that has been ignored by most is that to swingers....they view it as using toys etc. that's the mind frame.

doesn't mean they love each other less or have no respect. it's just a kink to them like other things to us might be.

i prefer one on one myself...but i can see that it's just my opinion and won't fault someone for a different one

Pre-approved cheating? Open relationship? What part of stupid do you not understand? Once you are in a relationship...shouldn't one be faithfull?

I know, babe, I was just funnin' ya.

To the original post...I disagree...not everyone cheats
Took me a little while to admit this after I caught my X cheating.

To Roses point Cheating is not Cheating if both parties consent.

I would never consent, cheat, be open to that but thats me, and I realize others have there opinions and thats fine.

you are one of the few that get it

And what makes that so hilarious is that I don't have sex with ANYBODY!!

again....open isn't cheating. and if you view it is...then don't do it. but not everyone views open being cheating because both approve.

so therefore...no it's not stupid. try reading the whole thread and all the views before judgement. whenyou can walk on water...then judge

Wow! I guess an open relationship is fair game for everthing and means NOTHING for any sort of relationship. Why the hell even hook up and want to be a part of someone's life?

i was referring to using them with partners. i know alot do it (maybe not admit it) but my point that has been ignored by most is that to swingers....they view it as using toys etc. that's the mind frame.

doesn't mean they love each other less or have no respect. it's just a kink to them like other things to us might be.

i prefer one on one myself...but i can see that it's just my opinion and won't fault someone for a different one

yellowrose I think we should give up on this one. People are asking the same questions over and over and it's getting old. People tend to put down anything that they can't understand. If it's not the way they would do it, then it's wrong, it's evil, it has no right to exist.

I guess some concepts are too difficult for some people to grasp. Let's let them remain where they are in their little worlds where no light shines..it's what they prefer, anyway. When you try to shine light, they get irritable.
Let's face it - there is only one way to do life - their way.

OK, so toys are cool, YES, but A person isn't a toy in my hands or mind..
And to swing is a way of life that MOST don't LIVE to DIE together in?
If you know some swingers??? Are THEY still together?
Because what I have found and YES, wow, I have been in some nice three-somes before,,,but I was single then..
I have found that MANY who indulge in out of marrage flings excepted by the other for MANY different reasons, BUT they end up WANTING the THIRD person MORE than their MATE so THEIR relationship disolves and life goes on with the one THEIR other fell for,,,but then THAT TO desolves and then you wonder WTF?? They had it great then lost it over something that never worked out anyway????\
Marrage is NOTHING more than a name change and paper...
So I still say that a couple can LIVE as one and swing away if THATS there FUN, but to marry and KNOW YOU WANT THAT LIFE, is really STRANGE to me as it rejects the concepts of THAT UNITY!

OK, I hate to type and look at all the keys this post has made my fingers hit,lol,lol.

maybe you should try to be openminded and learn about it first.

open relationships do NOT mean fair game for everything. but you would know this if you took the time to learn about it first. you are showing that you know nothing about it. if it's not for you then just say that but unless you are perfect then don't judge

Alrighty then...enjoy the open relationship and your opinion. I guess some peoples are just wired bad. Enjoy that!