I really doubt that... are you hiding under a rock?

i can't help where i live!

No such thing as a person who doesn't sin;^]

don't think i haven't been trying.......

i found a relevant commentary on sinning by yourself here:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2964/masturbation2.html

Dear Father,

I am married for 30 years. My wife does not satisfy me sexualy even after we have talked about it. Is it wrong for me to Masturbate ?? Is Masturbation a sin ?? Mortal or Venial?? I have been masturbating for several years now.

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Dear Father, I have a big problem and I need some real advice. I have an embarrassing problem and I'm not sure what to do about it.I feel like I do not have the strength to fight against it. The problem is, I masturbate. Like two or three times per week. I am a devoted Catholic, I love Jesus and Mary and I know it hurts them and myself every time I do it, but I just can't help myself. I had bought myself some sex toys and porno movies for fun at a time when my faith was not where it is now. I have tried to throw these items away several times and I always end up digging them out of the trash! It's like the one thing I have a hard time getting control. I am married and have an active sex life with my husband, however, I find that my sex drive is really increasing. I hope that you can help me with this. I've been confessing this problem, but the Priest never gives me any advice, he just absolves me. Please help.

Sincerely,
Anonymous

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This is obviously a difficult and delicate area of morality. Let me begin with what the Catechism says:

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."[137] "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."[138]

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety, or other psychological or social factors that lessen or even extenuate moral culpability.

The Catechism is clear about the immorality of masturbation. The reason is obvious enough: Jesus teaches that the use of sex is for marriage. (And within marriage to express the total self-giving which is always open to procreation.) C. S. Lewis expresses Jesus' teaching about sex as "outside of marriage, unmitigated abstinence." He said that when he was a confirmed bachelor--he did not marry Joy till he was in his mid-fifties. Lewis readily conceded the great difficulty of this teaching. But it is not an impossible ideal.

lol;^]

Hi Artgirl.

sounds redundant , doesn't it.

Laws seem to be made for lawbreakers after the fact.

I wonder how this edict will be enforced and by whom?

How will this be adjudicated?

Will the lawbreakers roll over?

Will the Vatican refuse the gifts of those offered, seeing that ill-gotten gain is tacit approval of the violence iself, as described?

It appears that power and control is being penalized once again for having harbored privelege and access.

Outlawing poverty infers guilt upon the advantaged.

Plundering the earth carelessly for commodities and natural resources can very well include every living person in the culpability of the plunder.

It seems there had better be a recourse for repair of the breach that this new set of laws strives to address as grievances.

I wonder what the Vatican will provide for the example to model in achieving parity and balance in complicity with relief.

Perhaps the Vatican will make a sincere gesture and utilize its stored treasure to offset the imbalance.

Any less would be suspect in my mind.

Any less would be duplicitous.

I wonder if bankrupting them selves of hording treasure to their own hurt wouldn't alleviate the very pain of suffering that has lead to this edict.

Surely, there must exist some benevolent intent behind the attention to such breaches of good will and brotherhood of man.

unless the Catholic Church finds itself above its own laws.

In which case, arrests will be far reaching, and the fines and penalties adjudicated on the offenders will only benefit the advantaged, which in this case would be its own treasury.

Redundant? yes. Absurd? most definitely. Profound? profane, maybe. Certainly not inclusive of remedy by the church itself.

JMO

no no no no no! if i'm gonna sin i'm gonna do it proper!

in the immortal words of the poet and profit...

flavor flav - "i'm doin it big!"

The concept of sin is the most vile concept mankind ever invented.

All it does is cause good people to have unnecessary guilt complexes about participating in good things for good reasons just because they have been taught to believe that they are bad things.

Number 1 on the popes list is a perfect example causing people to feel guilty over natural desires.

1. "Bioethical" violations such as birth control

Where do they get off calling it a “bioethical violation’? Who’s ethics? The ethics of ancient superstitious men who wrote a their judgmental bigotry of life’s experiences in a book?

Sin is nothing more than the willful disobedience of a deity. Take away the deity and the concept of sin no longer has any meaning.

What many people mistakenly think is that if the concept of an ‘ultimate authority’ is taken out of the picture then anything goes. Those people certainly don’t deserve to go to any heaven. If they have no moral values of their own or no responsibly to their fellow man or the universe that give rise to their being then they certainly have no respect or ‘love’ for any ultimate authoritarian in the sky. The people who claim that we need an ultimate authoritarian are people who have no responsibility of their own. They will clearly only take on responsibly if there is a threat of punishment or a reward of nirvana in the mix.

To claim that we need an ultimate authoritarian is to do nothing more than claim that we have no sense of morality of our own.

The idea that sharing the joy of physical intimacy for the pure bliss of it without wanting to procreate is a sin, only serves to place undue guilt complexes on a species of animal who’s very innate nature is to desire the physical intimacy of love.

Besides, the religious view is totally inept.

Why? Because it claims that even the thought of desire is a sin. Therefore even abstinence is a sin! If you are abstaining from something you desire to do you are already committing the sin in your mind.

Religious dogma is nothing more than a brainwashing scheme to make people feel guilty and it does a superb job of this. From my point of view it represents the epitome of evil in and of itself.

We need a religion that encourages people to do good things, not one that is constantly judging them for having done bad things, especially when it proclaims that perfectly natural innate loving desires are a sin. All it does is take the beautiful things in life, and proclaims them to be filthy and despicable.

All that kind of dogma does is make decent honest people feel guilty and causes them to become confused about their very own sincerely feelings of love. It creates feelings of quilt where none should exist.

This is why I totally denounce judgmental religions. They are the epitome of bigotry and hypocrisy. No good can ever come from a religion that makes good decent people feel guilty about what they have been innately gifted to desire in the name of love.

As far as I’m concerned if you are doing something out of genuinely love then any and all proclamations of sin and judgments are null and void, because God is LOVE and LOVE overrules bigotry, hypocrisy and hate.

Clearly if you planning on having sex for pure lust and there is no love in the equation, then you are not acting out of love. But if you genuinely love the person you are having sex with, then there is nothing at all wrong with birth control because you are doing acting out of love and that can only be a good thing.

The only reason that ancient men wrote the ‘laws of God’ the way they did is because they didn’t have any means of birth control in those days. Their own means of birth control was abstinence. So it would be natural for them to write up the ‘law of God’ to state that if you aren’t planning on making babies then don’t have sex!!!

That was then. This is now. Doesn’t anyone know how to move forward?

Or are we forever going to allow the ignorance and superstitions of our ancient ancestors define how we should be leaving today????

If God did write a book of laws for ancient men, he needs to get his butt down here and rewrite it for today’s world!

Trying to push ancient ignorance and superstitions onto modern man is nothing short of ludicrous.

we can not figure out what the scriptures are telling us for sure anyway. How can someone who is not immortal come up with his own set of extra sins? Miles

Religious people like to have specific things they can point their fingers at.

Otherwise, how are they going to judge others?

OMG that is so funny. And so true.

6. Excessive wealth

well how much wealth does the Vatican have

A lot less since they had to pay out for the pedophiles they protected!

The forgot the most important one!



























































Proselytizing!

seven new sins... It is for reasons such as these that I struggle with the catholic religion so much. I was raised a catholic and am having a very hard time staying with the religion.

well they are a little redundant but fortunately
this has all been sorted out by George Carlin...

http://www.geocities.com/bobmelzer/gc10cx.html

or...the hi-bandwidth version...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz0-HY1TLU

the pope just rules the catholic world, why the rest of the people is concerned by what he says or he does not say.
with all my respect and admiration for the OP.

Just for the record I'm a catholic, but I'm not in fully agreement with this list.

There’s a deficit of sins!
We’ll generate some more!
We’ll proclaim a sexy woman
to be nothing but a whore

A man who shows his lust
by gazing at her bust
will be condemn to using condoms
engraved “In God we Trust”

Little babies born of sin
will be anointed on their chin
with contaminated holy water
much to their chagrin

All judgments will be passed
by a Holy Congregation
and the victims will be cast
into fits of masturbation

The Pope will oversee
the act of this decree
and all the nasty sinners
will be shown in a marquee

We’ll have a burning at the stake
of the atheists who ache
to cuddle in a puddle
of the sins that they partake

No sensual love permitted!
Our spirits must be saved!
No souls will be acquitted
for the lusting that they’ve craved

The only purpose of religion
and the churches that are built
is to serve as an establishment
of perpetuating guilt

Don’t trust your primal instincts
Don’t trust your loving heart
Just say attuned to Channel Church
till they proclaim it’s sin to fart

Then when the gas has passed
and the stench of judgment clears
we can finally live our lives in joy
without these silly fears