Valid, not very clear statement.
In 1776, when the most modern Army had muskets and cannon, the idea of keeping arms for defense against Gov. tyranny was a good point.
Today it is mere symbolic.

The argument of citizens maintaining arms for personal safety is a good one though.
I am for the second amendment. It is this argument we should use. Not a blind idea of protecting ourselves militarily from the likes of a Bush Administration.
The best defense we have there is our young men and women's refusal to turn their guns on us.
Of course, like Hitler's SS, their will always be a small group of blind, loyal, extremist to try to carry out a Gov's wishes by intimidation and fear against its citizens.

Kinda like the die-hard 28% who still believe the bull**** the Neo-cons (Bushies) have fed them...

Good points..Also, it should be noted that:

1.) The objects of the oath are in order of precedence
2.) The oath never expires, once taken; it is a life commitment

I, ______, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Even after 20 years of civilian life following 8 years of active service, I am still proud to be bound by this oath.

I just hope that a large percentage of our military understands what they promised.

*Of course, the free pass is Martial Law....There is no constitutional protection then.

I get misty when i here or see that. ahh shucks....... of course we understand it, hell we live it everyday.

in 1994 a survey was put out to troops regarding the UN presence on American soil, UN Troops, anyway very simple and straight forward survey, crust being, would you if given the order fire on an american citizen?

overwhelmingly, the answer was not no, but hell no.

live free or die trying as a rapper once said.

screaming eagles, all the way baby. hooah!

Our govt now has a new deal with Canada , the excuse is that they will call in Canadian troops in an emergency, but that scares me , they(our govt) always have a way of helping us in a way that we do not need.(take away ,chisel more rights.)As a pretense of helping us. I read that some believe that since our own soldiers would not want to fire on us that maybe British or Canadian troops would. If british or canadian troops would fire on us or try to collect our guns, I got at least one life to give, maybe 9 lives.

Are you kidding?? You do realize that government tyranny still exists, right? Even if you argue that it does not exist here (ha!), it is still a valid concern. This is not merely symbolic, it is a guaranteed right of the American citizen.

And it is the backbone of the entire Constitution. If they take away the guns, then they can take away all of your freedoms and rights, because you will have no way to protest or protect yourself.

Quite right!

Remember all, your freedom rests on a foundation of 4 sequential boxes:

Soap Box
Ballot Box
Jury Box
Cartridge Box

They are your remedies to injustice.

Armed insurrection, as a last resort, is our right by Natural Law, when egregiously oppressed by a government which no longer serves us. At that point, there is no other alternative, except submission. The Constitution of the United States acknowledges & guarantees that right via the 2nd Amendment. It does not, nor does it possess the authority to, grant this right. This is what the Declaration of Independence referred to in the statement,

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

The 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone of our liberty; without it, you have no hope of securing or retaining the other 9.

I dont like guns at all but it seems more bad guys have them the good ones..

sorry....made a boo-boo

cute lil, this good guy has more and better guns than the bad boyz, with bigger bullets.



Q- What has ALWAYS been true historically?
ans. Before invading, an enemy will first try to disarm the popluace thru "other" means.

I very much agree with this, myself I don't have any guns and don't care for them. But.. I did buy my son a deer rifle and feel as long as one is taught the right way to use guns and uses precautions they should be able to own them as well.

back in 1776 did they say you could not own a cannon

i think not

but in todays tyranny

that put limits on the arms you can own

(this is an infringement)

putting these limits in place

will make it much harder for the people

to do that which is needed to protect their rights

then you have those that say militia
is a trained and organized group

what happens to those that create and train
a civilian militia the atf goes in and confiscates
all the weapons and puts them in jail

many may not like guns and such

but that is what was used to make this country a country

and the govt does not want to see it happen again
if the govt was not abusing their powers then they
would not be worried about an armed people

all the laws in the world
will not keep guns away
from the criminal

oooooh yeeeaaaah! Pappy Boyington very sexy !

Right On!

Gun control would not stop these idiots, if they didn't simply ignore the laws & keep thier guns they would find some other way to commit violence. As for the kids, parental supervision is needed with guns, as well as pools, knives, matches, & countless other things in the home.

Yes, and people often confuse the "rights" versus the "freedoms"...we are granted freedoms by the government, but we are granted rights by our Creator.

Everyone is born with certain rights, not everyone shares the same freedoms.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,

deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world

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****WHO IS GOING TO HOLD THE GOVT ACOUNTABL AND ENFORCE THE DECALRATION OF INDEPENDANCE

ENTER THE 2ND AMMENDMENT

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U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Second Amendment - Bearing Arms

Amendment Text | Annotations

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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DEFINITIONS

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Main Entry: in•fringe
Pronunciation: in-'frinj
Function: verb
Inflected Forms: in•fringed; in•fring•ing
Etymology: Medieval Latin infringere, from Latin, to break, crush, from in- in + frangere to break
transitive verb : to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed —U.S. Constitution amendment II>; especially : to violate a holder's rights under (a copyright, patent, trademark, or trade name) intransitive verb : ENCROACH —in•fring•er noun
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

en•croach (n-krch)
intr.v. en•croached, en•croach•ing, en•croach•es
1. To take another's possessions or rights gradually or stealthily: encroach on a neighbor's land.
2. To advance beyond proper or former limits: desert encroaching upon grassland.
3. Football To commit encroachment.

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peo•ple (ppl)
n. pl. people
1. Humans considered as a group or in indefinite numbers: People were dancing in the street. I met all sorts of people.
2. A body of persons living in the same country under one national government; a nationality.
3. pl. peo•ples A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.
4. Persons with regard to their residence, class, profession, or group: city people.
5. The mass of ordinary persons; the populace. Used with the: "those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes" Thomas Jefferson.
6. The citizens of a political unit, such as a nation or state; the electorate. Used with the.
7. Persons subordinate to or loyal to a ruler, superior, or employer: The queen showed great compassion for her people.
8. Family, relatives, or ancestors.
9. Informal Animals or other beings distinct from humans: Rabbits and squirrels are the furry little people of the woods

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/people

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SO IF THE GOVT INFRINGES (see DEFINITIONS)

THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE (SEE DEFINITIONS)

TO BEAR ARMS

WHO IS GOING TOENFORCE THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
WHEN THE GOVT BEGINS ABUSING THEIR POWERS

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deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

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AND BEGIN RESTRICTING THE

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men

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WHO WILL STEP IN AND REMOVE THE

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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

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AND INSTITUTE THE NEW GOVT

DO YOU THINK THE GOVT IS GOING TO DO IT

IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE

AND TO DO SO THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ARMED

AN UNARMED PEOPLE ARE SLAVE TO THOSE IN POWER

AND THE GOVT ARE THE MASTERS

WHICH IS NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE

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deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

without arms

how are the people

to protect

their

inalienable rights

you missed the most important part and one the media and government want you to forget " to keep and bear arms against a totalitarian government"

Fanta 46 is that a Hitler moustache or a failed attempt to shut your communist mouth?

reread it

it is when the govt abuses its power

you know like it is doing on a daily basis

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WHO WILL STEP IN AND REMOVE THE

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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Governmen