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Is There Proof the Bible Is The Inspired Word of God!!!! I don't believe so. I believe it's God's desire that we believe out of faith. I think that scripture supports my position, that Christianity will always be plausibly deniable. The Bible will always strengthen the faith of those who believe and become clear to those who want to believe. To everyone else, the Bible will remain a book of myths until the last days of the earth. But I want to thank you FeralCatLady. You speak with conviction and faith about your beliefs. You tell us what is so great and wonderful about your beliefs, instead of belittling the beliefs of others. For that, you should be commended. God bless. 
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The OP shuts the debate right down with a gratuitous assertion that there are '... main proofs...' (wonder what the inferior proofs are?!?!?) that the bible is the inspired word of god, and SHOULD (why don't you go with MUST while you're at it) be taken litterally. And quite interestingly, you close this gratuitous affirmation this time with a question mark. Do you just confuse the two, or is it an advanced 'luring technique'?!?!? A gratuitous assertion is a statement with no supporting facts. What FeralCatLady posted was a question, not a statement of fact. Besides, the fact that she followed up her opening question with logic and scripture, prevents this from being a gratuitous assertion. If FeralCatLady had said "The Bible is nothing but a book of myths" and ended there, that would be a gratuitous assertion. Any statement of fact, with supporting material, is not a gratuitous assertion, even if that statement of fact is false. |
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I was unaware this was a christain dating site, did i miss the memo? This is the "Reglion Chat" section of a dating site. Since Christianity is a religion, I fail to see the point in your objection. |
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Jesus himself said that he did not come to change the laws, but he did change them, that’s a contradiction right there. The law hasn't changed and Jesus didn't change any of the laws. All of the laws are still in effect. Could you clarify? In what way did Jesus change the laws? |
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Their is no contradiction in the Bible....you show me and then we will take it from there. I’ve already done that a billion times. It’s like talking to the wall.  Again where is your proof to back up the above mentioned....... I’m not out to prove anything. Any intelligent person can confirm everything I’ve said with very little effort. If anyone would like to ignore what I said that’s fine with me. First off Abra the Bible is not stories....... You’re kidding right? It nothing but parable and stories. What are you talking about? Any theologian will grant you that much. ....Now if your talking of the doctrines that were found that claims Jesus had a child with Mary Magdalene and such.......poppy ****....it's not proven yet...... NEWSFLASH! ,….. Guess what Feral, no ancient documents have been proven. You seem to think that the Bible has been proven. That’s absurd. No respectable theologian would even make such a claim. It’s all based on the pure faith that the stories ‘might’ hold some true. It’s up to the “believers” to decide just how much truth they might hold and in what way. Everyone who considers the Bible as a religious doctrine is not a verbatim fundamentalist. In fact, entire churches view the Bible as an inspirational doctrine not to be taken literally in every sense. Supposedly the Hole Spirit it suppose to guide the reader of the doctrines, (not the verbatim fundamentists ) And I have studied both the Quran and the Bible and trust me their are major major differences. Isn’t that what I said??? I honestly am waiting for proof from any of you that the Bible, God and Jesus are myths or folklore....so far you just haven't.... Well don’t hold your breath. I’m not worrying about trying to prove anything. I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone who genuinely looks at it with sincere objectivity. In fact, I think I already said that. Please keep in mind that you are the one who is talking in terms of having “PROOFS”! You’re words,…. So what are some of the main proofs that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and should be taken literally? Let's take a look at five of these principal proofs. I merely pointed out the fact that none of your so-called ‘proofs’ hold any water. They aren’t proofs at all. They are simply the outrageous claims of a fanatical fundamental evangelist who realizes that the stories are so absurd no one woudl believe them on faith alone so she feels a need to claim that they are ‘proven’ truths. But in truth they are not proven to be true. If they were proven to be true everyone would believe them! Religion is a faith-based concept. Why you insist on trying to claim that it’s been proven is beyond me. You must be unable to have faith in it yourself so you are trying to convince yourself that it is proven. That’s all I can figure. Isn’t the love of God inviting enough to sell on it’s own? I thought the biblical God was supposed to want people to believe in him based on faith? And here you are going against his wishes by trying to proclaim that it’s been ‘proven’. Won’t your God just be tickled pink that you refuse to allow him to do things HIS way?  Even Jesus spoke in terms of faith. Never once did he try to claim to have proof. That's a no-no. Yet here you are going against the very grain of the religion by claiming that it's a proven fact. Tsk tsk on you. |
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so since the bible is so consistant threw out it's whole existance what of those books that were left out by later generations that didn't believe it fit in with their own beliefes? i do believe the current bible is lacking in some 50 authors and 100 books that were previously included before king james got ahold of it...... And of course your entitled to believe as you wish....But nonetheless it does not take away from what is in the Bible today as being the Inspired Word of God....yanno You cannot prove that the bible is the inspired word of God when you cannot even begin to prove that God even exists, or that the "God" in the Bible stories was really a god. He may have been an alien or a "fallen angel" pretending to be a God. You can believe anything you like but you cannot prove any such thing. |
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I will answer but just wanted to say hi to Voil....long time no see Mr..... 'been sailing!!! That's my religion! ... and I'll share all my 'sailing belief' constructs with you 'feral', ... if you are interested?!?!? :) Sailing scares the bajeebies out of me.....and I promise if I ever need and English teacher you will be the first one I call..... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 02/29/08 05:03 PM
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This first proof that the Bible is inspired was provided by Jesus Christ Himself when He said, "Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). This means that what the Bible says is true and has a basic unity of thought and principles that cannot be broken or contradicted. You posted a very long post, which I have not read. But the very first thing you present as proof is something that is based on the assumption and there once was a man named "Jesus Christ." "Jesus Christ Himself?" Now who is he and did he even exist? Some make the claim that he is the son of God. Really? Where is the proof of that? So the very beginning of your so-called "proof" begins with a myth that no one can or ever has proven it true. |
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Is There Proof the Bible Is The Inspired Word of God!!!! I don't believe so. I believe it's God's desire that we believe out of faith. I think that scripture supports my position, that Christianity will always be plausibly deniable. The Bible will always strengthen the faith of those who believe and become clear to those who want to believe. To everyone else, the Bible will remain a book of myths until the last days of the earth. But I want to thank you FeralCatLady. You speak with conviction and faith about your beliefs. You tell us what is so great and wonderful about your beliefs, instead of belittling the beliefs of others. For that, you should be commended. God bless.  for you spider and ty
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This first proof that the Bible is inspired was provided by Jesus Christ Himself when He said, "Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). This means that what the Bible says is true and has a basic unity of thought and principles that cannot be broken or contradicted. You posted a very long post, which I have not read. But the very first thing you present as proof is something that is based on the assumption and there once was a man named "Jesus Christ." "Jesus Christ Himself?" Now who is he and did he even exist? Some make the claim that he is the son of God. Really? Where is the proof of that? So the very beginning of your so-called "proof" begins with a myth that no one can or ever has proven it true. In what you said lies the truth......Spew what you wish....without reading anything....that is exactly my point with you all.....This thread is giving historical and other reasons the bible is not a myth.....and I can't see how you can even respond to something you have not even looked at. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 02/29/08 05:22 PM
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In what you said lies the truth......Spew what you wish....without reading anything....that is exactly my point with you all.....This thread is giving historical and other reasons the bible is not a myth.....and I can't see how you can even respond to something you have not even looked at. I don't have to read the rest of it as I have heard it all before being "spewed" by other people who believe on faith as you do. Read: "The Book your church doesn't want you to read." Then if you get through that one, read "The Christ Conspiracy, the greatest story ever sold." This is NOT meant as an insult. It is just as an example: If I looked in a dumpster and it was filled with trash, I would not choose to dig through the entire dumpster to see if there was anything of value in it. If there was, I am sure I can do without it. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 02/29/08 06:11 PM
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This first proof that the Bible is inspired was provided by Jesus Christ Himself when He said, "Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). This means that what the Bible says is true and has a basic unity of thought and principles that cannot be broken or contradicted. I will focus on your statement: "This MEANS that what the Bible says is true...." Really? Who says it means that? "...and has a basic unity of thought..." Really? It means that too? Who's opinion is that? "Scripture cannot be broken now, according to you, means all these things: 1. That it is true 2. that it has unity of thought AND principles that CANNOT be broken or contradicted. Where did you come up with that meaning? Is that your interpretation? Is that your opinion? Is that what it means to you? That was just the first paragraph. Do you really want me to read the rest and pick it apart piece by piece? I could. But who has that kind of time? |
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Their is no contradiction in the Bible....you show me and then we will take it from there. I’ve already done that a billion times. It’s like talking to the wall. ANSWER: You have never done it.....you go on an on in your abra way not believing it contradicting your own self over and over...such as the I prayed for 40 years and God did not answer......Which only shows me that instead of remaining faithful you turned away and decided to do it your way.......well your choice. Again where is your proof to back up the above mentioned....... I’m not out to prove anything. Any intelligent person can confirm everything I’ve said with very little effort. If anyone would like to ignore what I said that’s fine with me. ANSWER: Now who is joking.....I don't even see you picking and choosing where you spew your crap...you just go in every religion thread and do it...Who is kidding who here.....Not prove anything please abra......that has to even sound lame to you. First off Abra the Bible is not stories....... You’re kidding right? It nothing but parable and stories. What are you talking about? Any theologian will grant you that much. ....Now if your talking of the doctrines that were found that claims Jesus had a child with Mary Magdalene and such.......poppy ****....it's not proven yet...... NEWSFLASH! ,….. Guess what Feral, no ancient documents have been proven. You seem to think that the Bible has been proven. That’s absurd. No respectable theologian would even make such a claim. It’s all based on the pure faith that the stories ‘might’ hold some true. It’s up to the “believers” to decide just how much truth they might hold and in what way. ANSWER: I am afraid I disagree strongly it is not stories.........as at least for me stories imply fairy tales or myths as you like to call them. They are historically backed of happenings of what happen to all the people that are in the Bible from Moses to James to John to Jesus.....And as far as ancient documents being proven they have historical proof which I have brought up many many times and many many different ways. One incredible example of prophecy is found in the book of Isaiah. The date of the book is fixed by its first verse: "The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah." Through history and archaeology, the dates of these kings are well known—from 767 to 686 B.C., a span of 81 years. Yet, in Isaiah 44, God reveals to Isaiah a coming conqueror who would permit Jerusalem to be rebuilt after its destruction—although in Isaiah's day Jerusalem was still standing! So here is a prophecy so ahead of its time that only future generations in Jerusalem would first witness the city's destruction and then its rebuilding! Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 B.C. by the Babylonians some 100 years after Isaiah's day. And work was not begun to reconstruct it until 539 B.C., when the prophesied king conquered Babylon and decreed that the captive Jews be freed and allowed to go back to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and the temple. THIS IS PROOF FOR ME.......All the prophecy is proof and the history books of it happening are further proof. I honestly am waiting for proof from any of you that the Bible, God and Jesus are myths or folklore....so far you just haven't.... Well don’t hold your breath. I’m not worrying about trying to prove anything. I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone who genuinely looks at it with sincere objectivity. Answer: Because the simple fact is.....that no matter what you come up with.......I can through scripture prove another side. I don't care what you believe personally.....It's people that are seeking who read what you write that scares me.....Especially in light of what I know you history to be with God.....and I am speaking of my God not your panthiest God that you look to now. In fact, I think I already said that. Please keep in mind that you are the one who is talking in terms of having “PROOFS”! You’re words,…. So what are some of the main proofs that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and should be taken literally? Let's take a look at five of these principal proofs. I merely pointed out the fact that none of your so-called ‘proofs’ hold any water. They aren’t proofs at all. They are simply the outrageous claims of a fanatical fundamental evangelist who realizes that the stories are so absurd no one woudl believe them on faith alone so she feels a need to claim that they are ‘proven’ truths. But in truth they are not proven to be true. ANSWER: Oh really well I beg to differ.....and as in the past when I prove over and over scripturally or thrugh history you always come back to fanatical fundamentalist.....And As I look at it as history not as stories. I thought the biblical God was supposed to want people to believe in him based on faith? And here you are going against his wishes by trying to proclaim that it’s been ‘proven’. Won’t your God just be tickled pink that you refuse to allow him to do things HIS way? ANSWER: And again Abra just being abra.........And my faith is in him.....The scriptures show me how he wants the world to be.....and as for you...... God's intent on redeeming a disobedient mankind do not change. |
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God's intent on redeeming a disobedient mankind do not change. That’s the whole point. It’s such a dismally depressing vision of a failed God who created a corrupt creation and is forever weeping in sorrow for his failed creation. It’s a pathetically sorrowful picture of both God and humanity. I can’t believe anyone can see anything attractive in this picture at all. It’s all about blood and guts, and sin. Even the godhead himself has to have himself nailed to a post. It’s absurdly gruesome. How anyone can claim the this is a picture of a ‘perfect’ God is far beyond me. There is nothing anywhere near perfect about this pathetically dismal picture. It’s about as sick and demented as a picture can get. All it does is accuse everyone of being pathetic sinners who are unworthy of God’s love. The only way to win the love of this God is to grovel on your knees begging for forgiveness for having been created as a hopelessly inferior imperfect being. Like as if that was somehow supposed be your fault to begin with! And then anyone who doesn’t believe in this God is clearly an unworthy heathen who will get precisely what they deserve,… total rejection and cast into eternal damnation whilst all the Christians are laughing and frolicking on their way to a perfect paradise mocking and laughing those who couldn’t believe that God could be such as sadistic sick entity. Why would you want to believe in such a hateful picture of a God? That’s what really blows my mind? My cat is more loving that that. I think I’ll start worshiping my cat. Clearly that book has nothing at all to do with the real living God. The Bible is an insult to any real God. It's an insult to God to actually believe that God could be that demented. 
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Some God's (religions) rule with fear and terrorism, reward and punishment. (Some parents rule their children the same way.)
Is that all humans understand? I have more faith in humans than that. As in the lives of children, they soon grow up. Humanity is growing up, and this is why so many are turning away from the teaching of these kinds of religions. All religions will fall by the wayside. Sooner than you think. It is already happening. There will be some stubborn hangers on who will still cling to their savior Gods for comfort, and that is okay. They are children just like the rest of us. But they will not be in power for long. The path to enlightenment is an individual one and all souls will travel that path. There is nothing to fear from heaven or hell. All those things will pass away. Jeannie |
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In what you said lies the truth......Spew what you wish....without reading anything....that is exactly my point with you all.....This thread is giving historical and other reasons the bible is not a myth.....and I can't see how you can even respond to something you have not even looked at. I don't have to read the rest of it as I have heard it all before being "spewed" by other people who believe on faith as you do. Read: "The Book your church doesn't want you to read." Then if you get through that one, read "The Christ Conspiracy, the greatest story ever sold." This is NOT meant as an insult. It is just as an example: If I looked in a dumpster and it was filled with trash, I would not choose to dig through the entire dumpster to see if there was anything of value in it. If there was, I am sure I can do without it. As with the DiVinchi Code it's fiction......And your choice not to read.....but as I say to people who can talk alot of crap about politics and not vote....you have no say..... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 02/29/08 06:17 PM
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As with the DiVinchi Code it's fiction......And your choice not to read.....but as I say to people who can talk alot of crap about politics and not vote....you have no say..... Like I said before, I have heard it all before. And I have plenty of "say" rather I choose to read your drivel or not. But you sound like a glutton for punishment. Read the books I recommended to you and perhaps your eyes will be opened to the lies you pass to others. But I know this about you. You won't read them. |
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all this debate makes me tired.
bottom line is .. CHANGED LIVES. Period. 
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Some God's (religions) rule with fear and terrorism, reward and punishment. (Some parents rule their children the same way.) Is that all humans understand? I have more faith in humans than that. It's so true. Where’s a loving religion? A religion that truly believes that humans are worthy of God’s love. A religion that has a God who’s genuinely intelligent. A religion where we can praise God with pride and open arms. Our chins raised and our faces lifted up with loving appreciation for a truly loving God. Show me a loving God. Anything else is a demon.  |
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