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 Why do you think they call it "Gender"?  
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I will say though Joel, it is a scary situation when faced with an intensely aggressive woman in the workplace... it seems that in the 90's women had to be twice the male.... And be a superhuman housewife, and wife, and hostess... That seems to be fading now, women have realised it won them no favours to adopt behaviours which were stereo typically male, especially the lesser type behaviours,( aggression, posturing, poor taste derogatory jokes) it seems women are much more accepted and respected by their peers, both male and female, for their contributions, rather than their behaviours. We came out of the kitchen, yes, but we can still scramble a mean egg.... (as can males.) Geez Joel you picked a tricky topic, this whole male/female thing does my head in, and although I have written papers on the psychology behind this paradigm shift in gender roles, it still feels like I am typing with a mouthful of marbles.. it just doesn't sit well with me.  I'm with you....I'm "supposed to" cook, clean, cry, BUT kick a$$ when necessary. 
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I will say though Joel, it is a scary situation when faced with an intensely aggressive woman in the workplace... it seems that in the 90's women had to be twice the male.... And be a superhuman housewife, and wife, and hostess... That seems to be fading now, women have realised it won them no favours to adopt behaviours which were stereo typically male, especially the lesser type behaviours,( aggression, posturing, poor taste derogatory jokes) it seems women are much more accepted and respected by their peers, both male and female, for their contributions, rather than their behaviours. We came out of the kitchen, yes, but we can still scramble a mean egg.... (as can males.) Geez Joel you picked a tricky topic, this whole male/female thing does my head in, and although I have written papers on the psychology behind this paradigm shift in gender roles, it still feels like I am typing with a mouthful of marbles.. it just doesn't sit well with me. I'm with you....I'm "supposed to" cook, clean, cry, BUT kick a$$ when necessary. And people wonder why men get drunk and punch things....
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"it reminds me of "fitting in" behavior when someone new
joins a group - any group and starts adopting mannerisms and speech patterns - of the group they associate with... such people are social chameleons. there are those who easily adapt to their changing environment and thrive successfully. these niche fillers succeed to progeny and become successful organisms in Darwin's sense of the word. there are also those whose environment is changed and molded by their presence in it the way a massive body bends time and space like a rubber sheet. these people are mutants...like Einstein...and when they lie on the bed their partner irresistibly rolls downhill toward them...but with a smile on their face... " Missed the last phrase bud...I walk the walk. No "fitting in" here. I prefer not to shoot off the mouth, but rather produce with results. It's called "work ethic" which seems to be rapidly diminishing in today's work place. "Social" is for outside the workplace. |
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I will say though Joel, it is a scary situation when faced with an intensely aggressive woman in the workplace... it seems that in the 90's women had to be twice the male.... And be a superhuman housewife, and wife, and hostess... That seems to be fading now, women have realised it won them no favours to adopt behaviours which were stereo typically male, especially the lesser type behaviours,( aggression, posturing, poor taste derogatory jokes) it seems women are much more accepted and respected by their peers, both male and female, for their contributions, rather than their behaviours. We came out of the kitchen, yes, but we can still scramble a mean egg.... (as can males.) Geez Joel you picked a tricky topic, this whole male/female thing does my head in, and although I have written papers on the psychology behind this paradigm shift in gender roles, it still feels like I am typing with a mouthful of marbles.. it just doesn't sit well with me. I'm with you....I'm "supposed to" cook, clean, cry, BUT kick a$$ when necessary. And people wonder why men get drunk and punch things.... I had wondered why women do.
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I feel a massive gravitational pull...Twin Stars!
Aaack! Beach just got sucked in!!
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"it reminds me of "fitting in" behavior when someone new joins a group - any group and starts adopting mannerisms and speech patterns - of the group they associate with... such people are social chameleons. there are those who easily adapt to their changing environment and thrive successfully. these niche fillers succeed to progeny and become successful organisms in Darwin's sense of the word. there are also those whose environment is changed and molded by their presence in it the way a massive body bends time and space like a rubber sheet. these people are mutants...like Einstein...and when they lie on the bed their partner irresistibly rolls downhill toward them...but with a smile on their face... " Missed the last phrase bud...I walk the walk. No "fitting in" here. I prefer not to shoot off the mouth, but rather produce with results. It's called "work ethic" which seems to be rapidly diminishing in today's work place. "Social" is for outside the workplace. I agree to a degree, depending on the field one works in.... my job is 'social' , all of it is social skills based.... so all forms of communication are necessary.. |
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I will say though Joel, it is a scary situation when faced with an intensely aggressive woman in the workplace... it seems that in the 90's women had to be twice the male.... And be a superhuman housewife, and wife, and hostess... That seems to be fading now, women have realised it won them no favours to adopt behaviours which were stereo typically male, especially the lesser type behaviours,( aggression, posturing, poor taste derogatory jokes) it seems women are much more accepted and respected by their peers, both male and female, for their contributions, rather than their behaviours. We came out of the kitchen, yes, but we can still scramble a mean egg.... (as can males.) Geez Joel you picked a tricky topic, this whole male/female thing does my head in, and although I have written papers on the psychology behind this paradigm shift in gender roles, it still feels like I am typing with a mouthful of marbles.. it just doesn't sit well with me. I'm with you....I'm "supposed to" cook, clean, cry, BUT kick a$$ when necessary. And people wonder why men get drunk and punch things.... I had wondered why women do. So shall we all admit we haven't got a clue what we are supposed to be doing, pass on the punching things and just get drunk? 
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to be a woman of worth is a lot of pressure , I am expected to have a career , raise children , keep a house like martha stewart . cook like betty crocker and look like a porn star while I am doing it .. Guys are not judged by if the kids are clean the house hold chores are done they if something is not perfect they get to play the man card .. or bachelor card .. of course on the other hand , If I have a flat , or need to throw up I do have to say that thier are some great guys that line up to hold my hair back, change my tire , buy me dinner or whatever they can provide at that particular time .. hey it is a barbie world and I am a barbie girl ..
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I feel a massive gravitational pull...Twin Stars! Aaack! Beach just got sucked in!! I learned in my 20s to pick a spot on the forehead and concentrate. Trick worked until age and maturity made it un-necessary |
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to be a woman of worth is a lot of pressure , I am expected to have a career , raise children , keep a house like martha stewart . cook like betty crocker and look like a porn star while I am doing it .. Guys are not judged by if the kids are clean the house hold chores are done they if something is not perfect they get to play the man card .. or bachelor card .. of course on the other hand , If I have a flat , or need to throw up I do have to say that thier are some great guys that line up to hold my hair back, change my tire , buy me dinner or whatever they can provide at that particular time .. hey it is a barbie world and I am a barbie girl .. Says who? Who says you are supposed to be all those things? And why not just be? That which you are most comfortable with? |
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"it reminds me of "fitting in" behavior when someone new joins a group - any group and starts adopting mannerisms and speech patterns - of the group they associate with... such people are social chameleons. there are those who easily adapt to their changing environment and thrive successfully. these niche fillers succeed to progeny and become successful organisms in Darwin's sense of the word. there are also those whose environment is changed and molded by their presence in it the way a massive body bends time and space like a rubber sheet. these people are mutants...like Einstein...and when they lie on the bed their partner irresistibly rolls downhill toward them...but with a smile on their face... " Missed the last phrase bud...I walk the walk. No "fitting in" here. I prefer not to shoot off the mouth, but rather produce with results. It's called "work ethic" which seems to be rapidly diminishing in today's work place. "Social" is for outside the workplace. I agree to a degree, depending on the field one works in.... my job is 'social' , all of it is social skills based.... so all forms of communication are necessary.. Clarification for you Jess: Communication in the professional sense is not being social. All jobs are social to a certain extent. Was simply referring to the "social chameleon" comment as if one was over-doing things just to fit in. Not needed in the professional world when one is adequately trained and educated. |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Tue 02/26/08 04:23 AM
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I suspect s1ow may have been referring to the societal aspect of social chameleon... whatever society, the sociology of a society deems acceptable, someone having the flex, to adapt to the changing methods, trends of behaviours when interacting within all aspects of humanness, workplace, home, etc.
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Missed the last phrase bud...I walk the walk. No "fitting in" here. I prefer not to shoot off the mouth, but rather produce with results. It's called "work ethic" which seems to be rapidly diminishing in today's work place. "Social" is for outside the workplace. i meant... the way people approach the workplace is a social phenomenon in general. workplaces generally involve interaction and even the most solitary endeavors - eg. artist or mathematician rely on interaction for their success - admiration and selling of artwork, communication of mathematical results to students. furthermore, these two categorization of the approach are: 1. both successful 2. gender neutral - sex blind and i meant to present them that way....to provoke thought i admire your approach to the workplace. strictly business.
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Let's all get drunk and punch things
You gather and chop wood for the fire I'll cook and make sure the kids help clean up. You get my pipe. I'll get your slippers..... ...and we'll call it a night......unless you want to watch the game or me: public television |
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I'm in....
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to be a woman of worth is a lot of pressure , I am expected to have a career , raise children , keep a house like martha stewart . cook like betty crocker and look like a porn star while I am doing it .. Guys are not judged by if the kids are clean the house hold chores are done they if something is not perfect they get to play the man card .. or bachelor card .. of course on the other hand , If I have a flat , or need to throw up I do have to say that thier are some great guys that line up to hold my hair back, change my tire , buy me dinner or whatever they can provide at that particular time .. hey it is a barbie world and I am a barbie girl .. Says who? Who says you are supposed to be all those things? And why not just be? That which you are most comfortable with? |
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I'm in.... DONE!  I'm tired
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Let's all get drunk and punch things You gather and chop wood for the fire I'll cook and make sure the kids help clean up. You get my pipe. I'll get your slippers..... ...and we'll call it a night......unless you want to watch the game or me: public television Marry me Beach I have always wanted to play with a chainsaw .. |
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I'm in.... DONE! I'm tired gender bending and massive hooters'll do that to ya! nitey nite BF
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