yes "feralcatlady"..almost reminds you of your "CHRISTIANS AND COFFEE AT STARBUCKS" thread

Actually Christianity isnt one religion it is many. If you want to compare take one religion. Catholicism teaches that God and Jesus is one and if you get far enough into Scientology you get to hear about aliens.

There are however people that believe in God and Science... about every person in a scientific field that is in a religion with a God... which I am sure is a lot of people. I am also sure they wouldn't consider their beliefs are Scientology. I personally believe in my own version of the clockmaker theory.

WOW "Chazster" did you say "you really DOUBT it" ..well in that case you just neutralized your own argument...remember my motto
"to believe is to doubt"....funches 3:16

and i have also said that that motto is incorrect because they have opposing meanings. I also can't believe that the law is correct because there is proof it is correct and to believe something their has to be no proof, but I dont feel like getting into that argument again.

oh no my sweet....that is a place that is just full of love and adoration for the funches......You know I love ya....

..er.."Chazster sometimes scientists even places the wrong heads on dinosaurs ..anytime someone use the term "LAw" mean whatever they are referring to is not a constant and therefore not eternal

Though I guess it could depend on the context it is used. In the use of a belief. Like I believe in God. If you doubt then you don't believe.

However if you use it in the context of"I believe I took some advil". You are not talking about a believe but saying something you think you did.

Not true in all cases
"Those laws which are just mathematical definitions (say, fundamental law of mechanics - second Newton's law F = \frac{dp}{dt}), or uncertainty principle, or least action principle, or causality - are absolutely correct (simply by definition). They are extremely useful - because they can not be violated nor falsified."

the point I'm trying to make "Chazster" is that every relgion has doubts in the belief and form their own sects because of those disagreements

you're sure I'm not playing the part Nicolas Cage did in the WickerMan

I told you before, an individual may have doubts on the beliefs of their religion, but if they are doubting then they personally dont believe.

sorry "Chazster" but it was you that use the term "DOUBT"

but "Chazter" either way you have express "doubt"... for example..if you believe you took advil means you are unsure if you did..

"Chazster" if the laws of Physics could not be altered manipulated broken or cancelled out then they would be no airplanes in the sky .....

thats why I said it depends on the context. saying i believe I took advil is not actually a belief. seeing that you can prove whether you took it or not.
Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise (argument) to be true without necessarily being able to adequately prove its main contention to other people who may or may not agree.

Really? I know of no law that says plains cant fly.

well "Chazster"..those that do not doubt also do not have faith or exist in ignorant bliss

the laws of gravity

That law doesn't say things can't fly. If it does then jumping would have defied the law, but it doesnt.
The law of gravity is
F=Gm1m2/d2

So where exactly does it say things can't fly? All they are doing is overcoming a force, but that force still exists.

Faith can refer to a religion, or to belief in one or more deities. It has two general implications which can be implied either exclusively or mutually:

* To trust:
o To commit oneself to act based on self experience to warrant belief, but without absolute proof.[1] Mere belief on the basis of evidence is not faith. To have faith involves an act of will.

# To believe without reason:

* Believing impulsively, or believing based upon social traditions or personal hopes.


Nope you are wrong. Apparently believing is part of the definition of faith.