Sorry creative, but you are wrong.....and schematics of what your talking about are lame at best. It's all through the scriptures that a disciple as among those more then 2000 people watching......

Feral...

The 'one he loved' could have been any of them...

Still waiting...

Feral,

The Bible does not name who... out of the disciples, witnessed the crucifixion... does not name which one, if any...

Can we agree yet?

nope.......It is known in other scripture that it was only john that he said that too.......please I don't need to prove anything to you....You need to prove to me that it is not so......This is your thread....I have proved all over it that its what it is....so prove that it is not...other then saying it isn't so because you say so......Again as I have told all of your kind of people.....look at Matthew 11:25.......This so applies to you.

And no offense please.....but again I say to you.....Bash My God, And His Son.....Jesus Christ.....and the Good Book (The Bible) and you will always have a fight from me.....

And the sad thing....when you have to meet the maker......I know who is going to be right and who is going to be held accountable for what they felt were their truths...

I don't think he was an apostle, but Ben Hur kinda got a glimpse.

Feral...

My question is asking someone... anyone... to write down the book, chapter, and the verse that names a disciple who witnessed the crucifixion...

It is your religion...

I cannot help it that it has no eyewitness account of the most pivotal aspect of the religion...

Show me where it does...

You cant... no one can... it does not exist...

Not one apostle wrote the book attributed in their name... not one...

At least the orthodox church understands this much... Geez!

because creative why does it really matter in the whole scheme.....There is no question a disciple was there.....and there is no denying in all accounts that Mary his mother and Mary Magdalene were there.....so your nit picking on a very lame point if you ask me........I know Jesus Christ was crucified.....Are you denying that also creative....What point exactly are you trying to accomplish with this thread....I know it was John because I know Christ only said to one Apostle that he loved him.....and that my friend was John....which is also backed by other scripture...

I proved they were written by exactly who they were supposed to be written by.....read other post to that effect....your getting as annoying as rabbit....If you don't believe it then then why the heck does it bother you so.....Don't believe it.....but don't come in all high and mighty and claim to know....because you know nothing.....

it matters feral because it seems a significant point to be left out ...

Christianity is founded on here-say...

Not MY truth... THE truth...

Here read what some of the educated Christians believe:


LOOK AT WHO IS ATTRIBUTED AS AUTHORS...


1AD-36? Life of Jesus Christ

1AD First year in Christian calendar (a.d. = anno Domini) (see 525), Augustus
(Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus) is emperor of Rome
6 Herod Archelaus deposed by Augustus; Samaria, Judea and Idumea annexed as
province Iudaea under direct Roman administration, cap. Caesarea
6-? Quirinius: Legate (Governor) of Syria, 1st Roman tax census of Iudaea
6-9 Coponius: Roman Prefect of Iudaea (Samaria, Judea, and Idumea)
7-26 Brief period of peace, free of revolt and bloodshed in Iudaea & Galilee
9-12? M. Ambivius: Roman Prefect of Iudaea (Samaria, Judea, and Idumea)
12?-15 Annius Rufus: Roman Prefect of Iudaea (Samaria, Judea, and Idumea)
14-37 Tiberius I emperor of Rome, b. 42BC
25? Assumption (Testament) of Moses, original Hebrew extant Latin (Apocrypha)
26-36 Pontius Pilate: Roman Prefect of Iudaea (Samaria, Judea, and Idumea)
27-29? John the Baptist begins ministry (Luke 3,1-2) (15th year of Tiberius)
27-34? Jesus baptized by John the Baptist (Mk1:4-11)
33-34? John the Baptist arrested and killed by Herod Antipas (Luke 3,19-20)
33-36? Jesus' ministry
36? Jesus crucified, Friday, Nisan 14th, March 30th, [Ref: John, Unauthorized
Version/Fox] Last Supper would have been Thursday evening. (7Apr30 &
3Apr33 possible Fri/14/Nisan crucifixion dates)

36?-65? Period of oral tradition in Christianity between the time of Jesus and the time
the first gospel (Mark) is written, original Christians disperse throughout
Judea and Samaria (Acts 8,1ff), Peter leads the new Christian Church,
moves the Church headquarters to Rome

36?-67 Period Peter leads the new Christian Church, moves the church headquarters
from Jerusalem to Rome
36?-37 Paul of Tarsus has Stephen martyred and the Jerusalem church destroyed
37 Paul of Tarsus is converted (Acts 9)
37-41 Gaius Caligula emperor of Rome, declared himself god
37-41? Marullus: Roman Prefect of Iudaea (Samaria, Judea, and Idumea)
40 Paul goes to Jerusalem to consult with Peter (Gal 1, 18-20)
41-54 Claudius emperor of Rome, killed by poisoning by his wife Agrippina
44 James, brother of John, executed by Herod Agrippa I (Acts 12, 1-3)
47-48 Paul and Barnabas on Cyprus (Acts 13, 4-12)
48-49 Council of Jerusalem, 1st Christian Council, doctrine regarding circumcision
and dietary law is agreed to by apostles and presbyters, written in a letter
addressed to "the brothers of Gentile origin in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia"
(Acts 15)
48-57? Paul writes Galations
49-50 Paul in Corinth (Acts 18)
50? Pe****ta translation begun, Hebrew OT->Syriac Aramaic, (Greek NT in 400)
50? Ascension of Isaiah, original written in Hebrew (Ethiopic Bible)
51-52 Paul writes 1 Thes
51-52 Paul writes 2 Thes
53-62 Paul writes Phil
54-68 Nero emperor of Rome
56 Paul writes 1 Corin
57 Paul writes Romans
57 Paul writes 2 Corin
57 Paul's last visit to Jerusalem [Acts21]
58 Paul arrested, imprisoned in Caesarea [Acts25:4]
59 Nero kills his mother, Agrippina
60 Paul imprisoned in Rome (Acts 28,16)
61-63? Paul? writes Ephesians
61-63 Paul writes Philemon
61-63 Paul writes Colossians
61-63? Paul? writes 1,2 Timothy, Titus, known as "pastoral epistles"
62? James written by leader of Jerusalem community? (Gal 2,9?), "catholic"
epistle
62 Paul martyred for treason in Rome
62 {Being therefore this kind of person [i.e., a heartless Sadducee], Ananus,
thinking that he had a favorable opportunity because Festus had died and
Albinus was still on his way, called a meeting [literally, "sanhedrin"] of
judges and brought into it the brother of Jesus-who-is-called-Messiah,
James by name, and some others. He made the accusation that they had
transgressed the law, and he handed them over to be stoned.}
[JA20.9.1,Marginal Jew,p.57]
62 Nero kills his wife Octavia and marries Poppaea Sabina
64 Great fire of Rome, started by Nero and blamed on Christians, {Therefore to
squelch the rumor , Nero
created scapegoats and subjected to the most refined tortures those whom
the common people called "Christians," [a group] hated for their abominable
crimes. Their name comes from Christ, who, during the reign of Tiberius, had
been executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate. Suppressed for the moment,
the deadly superstition broke out again, not only in Judea, the land which
originated this evil, but also in the city of Rome, where all sorts of
horrendous and shameful practices from every part of the world converge
and are fervently cultivated.} [Tacitus Annals 15.44;Marginal
Jew;Meier;p.89-90]
64-95? 1 Peter written in Rome, by Peter the apostle?, "catholic" epistle

65-125 Period in which 4 Gospels, Acts, Revelations, and remaining epistles written
- Peter martyred before 1st Holy Gospel is written, 7 Popes before last
epistle is completed

65? Q written, (German:Quelle, meaning "source") a hypothetical Greek text used
in writing of Matthew and Luke
65-150 Didache: Instructions of the Apostles written
65-150 Dialogue of the Savior, Gospel of Peter
65-150 Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 1224 fragments: pub. 1914
65-150 Gospel of Thomas written, based on Q?, pub. 1959, Greek originals: Papyrus
Ox. 1,654-5
65-175 Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 840 fragments: pub. 1908
65-175 Papyrus Egerton 2 (Unknown Gospel) fragments: pub. 1935/87, in Greek
from Palestine, one of the oldest extant Christian texts (~175)
65-250 Papyrus Fayum (P. Vindob. G. 2325) fragments: pub. 1887
65-350 "Jewish-Christian Gospels": 7 fragments of Gospel of the Ebionites and 7
fragments of Gospel of the Hebrews in Greek; 36 fragments of Gospel of the
Nazarenes in Aramaic; [Ref: NT Apocrypha, W. Schneemelcher, vol. 1]
66-70 Roman-Jewish War: final destruction of Second Temple (Herod's Temple)
67 Peter martyred, crucified upside down in Rome
67-78 Pope Linus, 2nd Pope, succeeds Peter (Linus mentioned in 2 Tm 4,21)
67 General Vespasian of Rome conquers Galilee
68 Nero commits suicide, resurrects as "Nero redivivus", Rev's 666? (see 81)
68 Galba emperor of Rome (6/68-1/69)
68 Qumran (Essenes?) community destroyed by Rome, site of Dead Sea Scrolls
found in 1949
69 Otho emperor of Rome (1/69-4/69)
69 Vitellius emperor of Rome (6/69-12/69)
69 Flavian Dynasty of Rome (Vespian, Titus, Domitian)
69-79 Vespian emperor of Rome, quells unrest in Rome and Jerusalem
70 Collapse of Jewish self-government in Judea and destruction of the Temple in
Jerusalem
70 Gospel according to Mark written in Rome, by Peter's interpreter? (1 Peter
5,13), original ending apparently lost, endings added c 400
70? "Signs Gospel" written, hypothetical Greek text used in Gospel of John to
prove Jesus is the Messiah
70-640 Sanhedrin (High Court) period of Judaism, rise of house of Hillel
75-90 Gospel according to Luke written, based on Mark and Q
75-90 Acts of the Apostles written, same author as Gospel according to Luke
79-81 Titus emperor of Rome, eldest son of Vespasian
79-91 Pope Anacletus, 3rd Pope, known as "blameless" (as in Titus 1,7?)
79 Mt Vesuvius, volcano overlooking Naples Bay, erupts, engulfs Pompeii
80-85 Gospel according to Matthew written, based on Mark and Q, most popular in
early Church
81-96 Domitian emperor of Rome, son of Vespasian, "Nero redivivus?" (see 68)
81-96 Revelations written, by John (son of Zebedee) and/or a disciple of his
90-100 1 John written, by author(s) of 4th gospel, "catholic" epistle
90-100 2,3 John written, by "elder", disciple of John (son of Zebedee)?, "catholic"
epistle
90-100 Gospel according to John written, by John (son of Zebedee) and others, only
eyewitness to Jesus?, disciple Jesus loved?, Gnostic?
90? Josephus claims exactly 22 Jewish (OT) books: 5 Law, 13 History, 4 Hymns
91-101 Pope Clement I, 4th Pope, (mentioned in Phil 4,3), wrote letter to Corinth in
95 called "1 Clement"
94 "Jewish Antiquities", by Josephus in Aramaic, trans. to Grk., Testimonium
Flavianum: {At this time there appeared Jesus, a wise man. For he was a
doer of startling deeds, a teacher of people who receive the truth with
pleasure. And he gained a following both among many Jews and among many
of Greek origin. And when Pilate, because of an accusation made by the
leading men among us, condemned him to the cross, those who had loved him
previously did not cease to do so. And up until this very day the tribe of
Christians (named after him) has not died out.} [JA18.3.3 Meier redaction,
Marginal Jew, p.61]
96? Hebrews written, by ?
96-98 Nerva emperor of Rome
98-116 Trajan emperor of Rome, Roman empire reaches maximum size
100? Odes of Solomon, written in Greek or Syriac, ref by John? (Apocrypha)
100? Epistle of Barnabas, Christian exegesis of LXX (AF = Apostolic Fathers)
100? 2 Clement, an old sermon but not by Clement (AF = Apostolic Fathers)
100? 2 Esdras (Vg:4 Esdras), Hebrew?, claims 24 OT books (Vulgate & Pe****ta)
100? Apocalypse of Baruch (2 Baruch:Syriac, 3 Baruch:Greek) (Pe****ta)
100? Paralipomena of Jeremiah (4 Baruch), written in Hebrew (Ethiopic Bible)
100? Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Aramaic and Hebrew fragments found
at Qumran Caves 1,4 (Armenian Bible)
100? Jude written, probably by doubting relative of Jesus (Mark 6,3), rejected by
some early Christians due to its reference to apocryphal Book of Enoch
(v14), "catholic" epistle
100-125? 2 Peter written, by ?, not accepted into canon until early 400s, drew upon
Epistle of Jude, "catholic" epistle
100-150 Secret Book (Apocryphon) of James, Gospel of Mary Magdalene, Infancy
Gospels of Thomas and James, Secret Gospel (of Mark) (Complete Gospels)
101-109 Pope Evaristus, 5th Pope
109-116 Pope Alexander, 6th Pope
110? Letter of Polycarp to the Philippians, written by Polycarp (160) (AF)
110? "Letters of Ignatius", bishop of Antioch, martyred in Rome, his letters were
subjected to heavy Christian forgery esp. 4th cent. (Apostolic Fathers)
116-125 Pope Sixtus I, 7th Pope
117-138 Hadrian emperor of Rome, builds wall across Britain

125-350 Period of Christianity during which the first Bible was assembled - Christians
are fiercely persecuted and then finally tolerated by the Roman Empire, Great
Plague in Rome

125-136 Pope Telesphorus, 8th Pope, martyred
125? Papyrus 52: oldest extant NT fragment, p.1935, parts of Jn18:31-33,37-38
125? Shepherd of Hermas, written in Rome (AF = Apostolic Fathers)
130-200 "Christian Apologists" writings against Roman Paganism by: Justin Martyr
(165), Athenagoras (180?), Aristides (145?), Theophilus of Antioch (185?),
Tatian (170), Quadratus (130?), Melito of Sardis (180?), Apollinaris of
Hierapolis (180?), also Epistle to Diognetus in Apostolic Fathers
130? "Gospel of Basilides", a 24 book commentary?, lost
130? Papias, bishop of Hierapolis in Asia Minor, wrote: "Expositions of the Sayings
of the Lord", lost, widely quoted, see Eusebius (340) (AF)
130? Aquila of Pontus, Roman convert to Christianity then to Judaism, student of
Rabban Gamaliel, compiled literal Greek OT translation in Jabneh (Jamnia)
132-135 Bar Kokhba Revolt: final Jewish revolt, Judea and Jerusalem erased from
maps, all of southern Syria renamed Palestine (coined by Herodotus)
138-161 Antoninus Pius emperor of Rome
138-142 Pope Hyginus, 9th Pope
140 Letters of Marcion, produces his own canon without OT and using only a
heavily edited Luke + 10 Pauline Epistles, cites "Western" Gospel text-type
140? Apocalypse of Peter, written in Greek [NT Apocrypha,Schneemelcher,v.2]
142-155 Pope Pius I, 10th Pope
150? Gospel of the Egyptians, Coptic translation of orig. Greek (Nag Hammadi)
150? "Western Revisor" adds/subtracts from original Acts to produce "Western"
version which is 10% larger and found in Papyrus P29,38,48 and Codex
Bezae (D)
150? Papyrus Chester Beatty 6: R963, Greek Num 5:12-36:13, Deut 1:20-34:12
155-166 Pope Anicetus, 11th Pope
160? Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna, martyred at age 86: "Let. to Philip." (110)
160? Martyrdom of Polycarp, in Greek (Apostolic Fathers, ISBN:0-8010-5676-4)
161-180 Marcus Aurelius emperor of Rome
164-180 Great Plague in Roman Empire
166-174 Pope Soter, 12th Pope, moved Easter from Nisan 14 to following Sunday
170 Letters of Irenaeus, bishop of Lyons, cites "Western" Gospel text-type
170 Christian council on Montanist sect in Asia Minor
170 Letters of Dionysius, bishop of Corinth, claims Christians were changing and
faking his own letters just as [he knew] they had changed the Gospels
170 Tatian produces "Diatessaron" (Harmony) by blending 4 "Western" text-type
Gospels into 1
170? Symmachus, an Ebionite, writes an entirely new Greek OT translation
174-189 Pope Eleutherius, 13th Pope
175? Acts of Paul (inc. 3 Cor.), in Greek [NT Apocrypha,Schneemelcher,v.2]
180-192 Commodus emperor of Rome
185-350 Canon Muratorian, 1st extant for NT?, written in Rome by Hippolytus?,
excludes Hebrews, James, 1-2 Peter, 3 John; includes Wisdom of Solomon,
Apocalypse of Peter
189-198 Pope Victor I, 1st Latin Pope, 14th Pope, excommunicated Eastern churches
that continued to observe Easter on Nisan 14 "Quartodeciman", (see 166,
190)
190 Christian council to determine "official" date of Easter

Which apostles seen we do not know for sure. We are told about Thomas and all the disples/Apostles seem to agree with knowing what to look for. Especially the piercing in the side was very important for proof to Thomas. but more than seeing the murder of our Messiah is the seeing for 40 days before pentecosts by 500 people. then being seen by at least the 11 and probally the 120 who were all together at pentecosts. Where they see him rise before thier eyes in a cloud to the heavens. Then how much more is it when the promice of our messiah is manifested in Peter and others who spoke boldly with zeal and healed the sick. But I believed by the way they speak when Yahshua came to them that they saw the impalement. That is not what is important as any man can die. How many can rise from the dead?

John 20:24-29


24 Seeing and Believing


Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Yahshua came. 25 The other disciples therefore said to him, "We have seen the Master."

So he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe."

26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Yahshua came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!" 27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."

28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Master and my Savior!"

29 Yahshua said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
NKJV
I believe the end says it all.. May Yahweh Bless His Children With All Faith....Blessings...Miles

That big long set of dates and what happened. Does really not mean much when they show thier bias in what they wrote when they put Nisan 14 for Easter? That completely nagates those authorities credence of scholarship with saying that as fact.

tradition always wins whether it was the pharasees or our modern day scholars. All are afraid of losing power. Why else do the 2 witnesses get murdered unless they are afraid of losing control that they are the author of thier own confusion..Blessings..Miles

30 years, at least of 'oral-tradition'... here-say...

30 years...

Have you ever participated in an experiment in school where the teacher says 1 sentence to the person sitting on the far side of the room, and that person turns and whispers the sentence to the next in line, and so on and so forth...

By the time the 1 sentence makes it around the room it has nearly completely changed...

30 years...


EDIT:

Miles... what I sourced was Orthodox Catholic... ie. the Pope, stuff like that... Are you questioning their integrity?

AS admitted by what is most commonly held as Christianity's most researched and historically correct doctrine... Orthodox Roman Catholic...

Honestly, I have seen what could be biased opinions against the validity of Christianity be much worse... much...

Now tell me again just how infallible that text is?

I knew I should not have quit smoking.... Gosh, I am grumpy today...

The text is reliable. When you throw out the law and the prophets yea it makes no sence. When you know the law and the prophets and that Yahshua came and actually you might say amplified it. Then everything in the NT aligns perfectly with the law and Prophets or OT. We do now as has not ever the common people have access to quick greek and hebrew references. This being prophisied by Daniel would happen. Personally I reject a greek text as it is exactly what it says greek mythology. In the times of celebrations we know did not happen to our Messiah or the Disciples. Blessings...Miles PS they have found a aramic/persion version of the complete scriptures which apparently the religious community does not want to be known. But Remember peter spoke of the brethern at Babylon. The Romans and the persians had a treaty at babylon that the Romans would not enter.

When used for the overall good of mankind, the text holds a tremendous amount of value... no doubt...

It is just not the only source of valuable words on earth in regards to human spirituality... simple as that.

Too many bones in it...

Way too many...

Bones belonging to the individual author's mal-intent...

Some of it's teaching(s) are indeed... for the birds... before they had feathers...

John witnessed the crucifixion.

Why would the apostles have to have been there? Think about this for a second. Jesus was famous, all over the area. Jesus was crucified at a time when Jerusalem was stuffed to the gills with people. Many, if not most of them watched the crucifixion. None of the apostles were lepers, deaf or mute, so they could have heard the story from any number of observers. Don't try to break the Bible, it's the unbreakable rock. Those who butt heads with the Word smash themselves into little peices...at least the honest ones do. Dishonest observers have Salvation-proof crumple zones.

Thats what you choose to believe......Here is what I believe.....Note the pureness of the Bible.......98 1/2% pure.......can't argue with that.


1. The Bible

The Bible consists of 66 books: 39 in the OT and 27 in the new. (Note: 3 x 9 = 27).

The OT has 23,214 verses. The NT has 7,959 verses.

2. The Bible took about 1600 years to write.

It was written in three languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek) by about 40 authors and is internally consistent throughout.

It was written on three continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe.

It was written by a variety of people: prophets, priest, cupbearer, a king, judges, fishermen, etc.

The first translation of the English Bible was initiated by John Wycliffe and completed by John Purvey in A.D. 1388.

The first American edition of the Bible was perhaps published some time before A.D. 1752.

The Bible has been translated in part or in whole as of 1964 in over 1,200 different languages or dialects.

The Bible was divided into chapters by Stephen Langton about A.D. 1228.

The Old Testament was divided into verses by R. Nathan in A.D. 1448 and the New Testament by Robert Stephanus in A.D. 1551.

Old Testament -- a total of 39 books and has 5 main divisions:
Pentateuch (Genesis to Deuteronomy), Historical (Joshua to Esther), Poetic (Job to Song of Solomon), Major Prophets (Isaiah to Daniel), Minor Prophets (Hosea to Malachi).

New Testament -- a total of 27 books and has 4 main divisions
Gospels (Matthew to John), History (Acts), Epistles (Romans to Jude), Prophetic (Revelation).

Reliability of the biblical documents.
The Bible is 98½ percent textually pure. This means that through all the copying of the Biblical manuscripts of the entire Bible, only 1½% has any question about it. Nothing in all of the ancient writings of the entire world even approaches the accuracy of transmission found in the biblical documents.

The 1½ percent that is in question does not affect doctrine. The areas of interest are called variants and they consist mainly in variations of wording and spelling.

The OT does not have as many supporting manuscripts as the NT but it is, nevertheless, remarkably reliable.

The Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew OT done around 250 B.C., attests to the reliability and consistency of the OT when it is compared to existing Hebrew manuscripts.

The Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947 also verify the reliability of the OT manuscripts.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were ancient documents that were hidden in a cave in Israel about 2000 years ago. The scrolls contained many OT books, one of them being Isaiah.

Before the Dead Sea scrolls, the earliest existing manuscript of the OT was dated around 900 A.D. called the Masoretic Text. The Scrolls contained OT documents 1000 years earlier. A comparison between the manuscripts revealed an incredible accuracy of transmission through copying, so much so that critics were silenced.

The NT has over 5000 supporting Greek manuscripts existing today with another 20,000 manuscripts in other languages. Some of the manuscript evidence dates to within 100 years of the original writing. There is less than a 1% textual variation in the NT manuscripts.

Estimated time of writing of the NT documents
Paul's Letters, 50-66 A.D.
Matthew, 70-80 A.D.
Mark, 50-65 A.D.
Luke, early 60's
John, 80-100 A.D.
Revelation 96 A.D.

Some of the supporting manuscripts of the NT are:
John Rylands MS written around 130 A.D., the oldest existing fragment of the NT

Bodmer Papyrus II (150-200 A.D.)
Chester Beatty Papyri (200 A.D.), contains major portions of
the NT Codex Vaticanus (325-350 A.D.), contains nearly all the Bible.

Codex Sinaiticus (350 A.D.), contains almost all the NT and over half of the OT

No other ancient writing can boast of having copies so close to the original time of writing. With the Bible, the difference is about 50 years. With Plato and Aristotle, for example, the difference is measure in hundreds of years.

Prophecy and mathematical odds of fulfillment.
The odds of Jesus fulfilling 48 of the 61 major prophecies concerning Him are 1 in 10157; that is a one with 157 zeros behind it.

By comparison, the estimated number of electrons in the entire known universe is about 1079; that is a one with 79 zeros behind it.

Inspiration and Inerrancy - The Bible is inspired by God. Inspiration means that God, through the Holy Spirit, caused the writers of the Bible to write the accurate and authoritative revelation of God. It is God breathed (2 Tim. 3:16) through the instrumentation of the apostles and prophets (2 Pet. 1:21).

It is without error in the original manuscripts and absolutely reliable and true in all areas it addresses.

Every true Christian accepts the inspiration and authority of the Bible.

Scientific Accuracies in the Bible.
The spherical shape of the earth (Isaiah 40:22).
The earth is suspended in nothing (Job. 26:7).
The stars are innumerable (Gen. 15:5).
The existence of valleys in the seas (2 Sam. 22:16).
The existence of springs and fountains in the sea (Gen. 7:11; 8:2; Prov. 8:28).
The existence of water paths (ocean currents) in the seas (Psalm 8:8).
The water cycle (Job. 26:8; 36:27-28; 37:16; 38:25-27; Psalm 135:7; Ecc. 1:6-7).
The fact that all living things reproduce after their own kind (Gen. 1:21; 6:19).
The nature of health, sanitation, and sickness (Gen. 17:9-14; Lev. 12-14).
The concept of entropy, that energy is running down (Psalm 102:26).

2. God
God is the only Supreme Being. He is Holy (Rev. 4:8), Eternal (Isaiah 57:15), Omnipotent (Jer. 32:17,27), Omnipresent (Psalm 119:7-12), Omniscient (1 John 3:20); etc.

He is Love (1 John 4:8,16); Light (1 John 1:5); Spirit (John 4:24); Truth (Psalm 117:2); Creator (Isaiah 40:12,22,26), etc.

He is to be worshiped (Gen. 24:26; Exodus 4:31; 2 Chron. 29:28; 1 Cor. 14:25; Rev. 7:11).

He is to be served (Matt. 4:10; 1 Cor. 6:19; Phil. 3:7; 1 Thess. 1:9; Heb. 9:14).

He is to be proclaimed (Matt. 28:19f.; John 14:15f.; Acts 1:8)

"To worship God is to serve and proclaim Him; to serve God is to proclaim and worship Him; to proclaim God is to worship and serve Him."

The name of God is Jehovah, or Yahweh. It is comprised of the four Hebrew consonants . The precise pronunciation of God's name has been lost. In Exodus 3:14 God proclaims His name to be "I AM." "God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.'" (NIV)

God is a Trinity - One God who exists simultaneously in three persons. Each is coequal, copowerful, and coeternal with the other. Each person, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, is not the other. Without either there is no God; all comprise the one God.

The Doctrine of the Trinity is opposed to:
Modal Monarchianism, also known as Jesus Only - There is one person in the Godhead who took three consecutive forms or modes. First there was the Father who then became the Son who then became the Holy Spirit.

Present groups are the United Pentecostal and United Apostolic churches. This doctrine is incorrect. It denies the true doctrine of the Trinity.

Dynamic Monarchianism - Only one person in the Godhead, the Father. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not God.

Present groups are the Jehovah's Witnesses, World Wide Church of God, Christadelphianism, and The Way International. This doctrine is incorrect. It denies the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the deity of the Holy Spirit.

Tritheism – the teaching that the godhead is three separate gods: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Christianity is monotheistic - Only one God in existence, anywhere, anytime. See Isaiah Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5,14,18,21,22; 46:9; 47:8; John 17:3; 1 Cor. 8:5-6; Gal. 4:8-9 for verses that teach monotheism.

Christianity is opposed to:
Polytheism - Belief in many Gods.
Monolatry - Belief in more than one God but serve and worship only one, i.e. Mormonism.

Henotheism - Belief in one God without denying the existence of others.

Pantheism - This is an identification of the universe with God. God is the universe. God is creation.

Panentheism - The belief that God is in the universe. It differs with pantheism which states that God is the universe and all that it comprises.

Deism - God exists, but is not involved in the world.

Theism - God exists, and is involved in the world.

Creation
God created the physical and spiritual universe out of nothing (Gen. 1:1f; Psalm 33:6; John 1:3; Rom. 4:17; 1 Cor. 1:28).
He did not make the world out of part of Himself.
He did not make the world out of a substance called "nothing."
Specifically it was Jesus, the firstborn (Col. 1:15), second person of the Trinity, who created all things (Col. 1:16-17; Isaiah 44:24).

Because God created all things, He is before all things and beyond all things. Therefore, the entire universe is under His control.

Because God created all things, He is able to provide for His creation through the means of His creation, i.e. weather, rain, plants, animals, sunshine, etc.

Opinions on the duration of creation differ. Some say six days; others say six long periods.

Man
Creation of man
Man is not only the crown of creation, but also the object of God's special care.

Man was originally made pure, without sin.

"Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.' So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them" (Gen. 1:26-27; see also, 2:7,21-23).

"Let us make man..." is a disclosure of the divine counsel before the creation of man, "us" being the Trinitarian counsel. See also Gen. 11:7.

Man was created different than the animals. He had the breath of life breathed into him from God (Gen. 2:7). The animals did not. Also Man was given dominion over the animals. Man can know God, worship Him, and love Him. Animals cannot.

Is Man made of two or three "parts"?
Dichotomy is a term which signifies a division into 2 parts: Body and Soul. The words "spirit" and "soul" are often used interchangeably.

"Mary said: ‘My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,'" (Luke 1:46-47).

"My soul yearns for you in the night; in the morning my spirit longs for you...," (Isaiah 26:9).

For the term "Body and Soul" see Matt. 6:25; 10:28.
For the term "Body and Spirit" see 1 Cor. 5:3,51.
Trichotomy is a term which signifies a division into 3 parts: Body, Soul, and Spirit.

"May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:23).

"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart," (Heb. 4:12).

There is no official orthodox position on the number of parts of man.

The Origin of the soul
Traducianism: "The souls of men are propagated along with the bodies by generation, and are therefore transmitted to the children by the parents." (Berkhoff, Systematic Theology. p. 197.)

Creationism: "The soul is a creation of God, owing its origin to a direct creative act." (Berkhoff, p. 199).

Except for Adam, the Bible makes no clear remark regarding the origin of the soul.

Man was created in the image of God.

This means that Man has moral and intellectual abilities
similar to God though not as perfect and vast.

"God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness...'" (Gen. 1:26)and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator" (Col. 3:10).

Man is above the animals in "rational ability, moral awareness, pursuit of beauty, use of language, and spiritual awareness."

Man before the Fall.

The Law of God was written in their hearts. Adam and Eve were without sin and "endued with knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness after God's own image, with the ability to keep the Law of God." (Westminster Confession of Faith, 4:2.)

In this state man had free and unhindered access to God. This is exemplified in the account in Gen. 3:8 where God was walking in the Garden.

Man, the Fall, and its effects
Adam and Eve rebelled against God and sinned by eating the forbidden fruit.

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned" (Rom. 5:12, NIV).

What was their sin?
They listened to Satan and ate of the fruit that was forbidden by God (Gen. 3:1-13).

What was the consequence of their sin?
Death (Rom. 6:23) and separation from God's presence (Isaiah 59:2)

Transmission of the sin nature to their (and our) children (Psalm 51:5).

Creation also fell (Gen. 3:17; Rom. 8:22).

How did their sin affect God?
They became unfit for the presence of God (Isaiah 59:2).

They became unable to do God's will (Rom. 6:16; 7:14).

They became subject to the curse of the Law and death (Deut. 27:26; Rom. 6:23).

Original Sin - The doctrine that we inherit our sin natures from Adam (Rom. 5:12-21).

Adam was the Federal Head of all humanity; that is, he represented all people in the Garden of Eden.
"For as in Adam all die..." (1 Cor. 15:22).

The phrase "in Adam" indicates our relation to Adam, that he represented us in the garden. In the same way, our being "in Christ" indicates our relation to Jesus, that He represent us on the cross (Rom. 5:18; 6:11; 8:1; 1 Cor. 1:2; 15:22; 2 Cor. 5:19).

Our sin with Adam: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned" (Rom. 5:12). See also Rom. 5:18; 1 Cor. 15:22.

Man after Death and before the resurrection.

The intermediate state
This is the condition of the soul between the death of the body and the resurrection.

There is little spoken of it in the Bible, but it is a state of consciousness (2 Cor. 5:5-8; Luke 16:19-31).

We are self aware and, apparently, with the Lord (Phil. 1:21-23).

For the righteous this is a time of blessedness and joy (Luke 16:19-31).

For the unrighteous this is a time of suffering (Luke 16:19-31) as is exemplified in the account of Lazarus and the rich man.


As God is perfect in His creation and His inspired word I would not think that anything could possible be added to any of it...

Feral:


What is the purpose of that attempt at proving the validity of every word within the Bible? All you have done is make a feeble attempt at trying to confuse the issue at hand. We can get to the supposed validity later...

One thing at a time, slow down and focus...

I am still waiting for you to list a book, chapter, and verse which names which disciple, if any, witnessed the crucifixion...



First, we need to agree on the fact that the Bible does not name which disciple(s) witnessed the crucifixion.



You close your mind to ANY contradictory evidence presented which threatens your belief(s).

What you suggested earlier of me is utterly absurd.

Surely you are not asking me to prove that the Bible does not contain a verse which names a disciple who witnessed the crucifixion???


Can we agree yet? One is not named... agreed?

Not sure where you got those dates. It is also widely believed that it could have been as early as 85 A.D. That's a 25 to 35 year variance. Makes a lot of difference to the question you ask.