no idea if this appeared earlier in posts, and if it did , it will be locked by our watchful Mods I 'm sure .
what do you think? Is this still alive and kicking OR has it gone the way of the Dodo......no relation to David ha ha !!
my recent experience, which was an eye opener, left much to be desired... which in turn led me to think and start this topic....

If you're familiar with Chivalric code,
then you might have an inkling as to what
genuine Chivalry was all about.


What many modern era people believe to be Chivalry,
is actually linked more to the Age of Cavaliers,
and has pretty much nothing to do with Chivalry.


Thanks to the "artistic liberties" of romance novelists
of the 1700s and 1800s. Bastards.

Just saw a program on TV, (so you know it's true), that said "Chivalry" died at the battle of Agincourt in 1415.

The topic has been addressed in the forums before, a few years back. But at least this is a nice topic to regurgitate, haha.

It's about being kind, respectful, galant, polite, obliging, mostly of men towards women.
I do think for sure it still exists. It's kind of embedded in many men's behaviour and code of conduct and you can come across it anywhere, even in the supermarket. I had it happen there -in the supermarket- only a few days ago.

And it does make me feel feminine, seen, flattered. Depending on the where, how, when, who, I sometimes blush, hihi
It creates a moment of engagement, however brief it may be, so it sure is a great thing!

Ha ha .... I gave up my seat on the subway to a very pregnant woman and she gushed her thanks profusely... ending with "I could marry you".... All I could do was smile ... but my brain was thinking ...ouch you do one nice thing for a woman ... and she wants to ruin your happy go lucky life !!! Ha ha !!!

So a little gratitude triggers your fear of commitment? Wow...

i have no fear of commitment... but I wont even think of a commitment to an already pregant woman and not even half as good looking as you ha ha ...

fyi: I have a two year commitment to my phone company.... does that count ??

I LIKE IT I DUNNO WHO THE LAST 100 MEN WERE THAT THAT OPENED THE DOOR FOR ME, GOOD FOR YOU SLIM GYM, CHIVERY IS A TRICKY THING NOW A DAYS SO SAD, COLDERSKY MINUS THE HALO,🤠

absolutely right ... nowadays it kinda tricky.... one time i offered my sest on a bus to a 30 something young lady ... and she refused saying ... What do you think , I cant stand on my two feet .. Now I felt embarrassed, don't ask why!!!!

Such funny, humorous thoughts you have and that was kind of you. Some men exhibit chivalry. Some men would rather not. You read some things where women get offended with chivalry too.
I am all for modern chivalry, which seems to be another word for respect perhaps?

Come to think of it women can be chivalrous too. I have given up my seat to a woman carrying her baby, opened doors, carried too heavy shopping etc. A brief google look says it stems from knights.




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Absolutely, chivalrous nature can be exhibited by men and women equally....
So due to Covid restrictions, where no contact is allowed , I asked all my friends to only bow to me and call me Sir.... I do like the knight image. .. you mentioned ha ha !!!

I can understand that, and thank you for the compliment
But 2 yrs to a phone, nah... too short a time span to count, hihi.

Holding up a door, vacating a seat, carrying heavy shopping bags and the likes of this, was never a problem for me. It was the way, I was brought up.

I also would never use foul language in front of a lady.

Rock is right in respect of the chivalric code and so maybe it’s not chivalry we are talking about, but good manners and respect for others. There is no excuse for bad manners and disrespect from either gender as manners and respect cost nothing and are often rewarded with a smile or a heartfelt ‘Thank You’. There’s nothing worse than when you’re struggling with your hands full walking toward a shop exit, and the person in front of you just lets the door close in your face!

From what I experienced, it is most likely the younger generation, acting in such a rude way. But I am old, so I would deffo carry your bags and open the door for you. At the same time, of course

Exactly. Those "chivalrous " knights were actually cutthroat hooligans. Second or third sons of noblemen who were looking to find their way in the world. Due to laws of primogeniture, only first sons inherited.

The knights became such a problem that they were part of the reason for the first crusade. The Pope saw an excellent way to get rid of them.

Very romantic. 🤣🤣🤣

I don't know what history book you've been reading?
The Pope was very happy with the Templars. It wasn't until the Templars fell out with the French king as they'd lent him huge amounts of money that he'd squandered, that things went wrong. The king FORCED the Pope to do something about the Templars and that's how they got slaughtered and tortured while they had done NOTHING wrong whatsoever.
So as per usual the whole onslaught in southern France had to do with money and an arrogant SOB --> the French king.

Also, Templars were monks. And not all knights were Templars. The Templars were mostly French. And they went on crusades to protect and expand Christendom. If you consider that "cutthroat hooligans"...

Regular knights weren't "hooligans" either and most had lands and property.

As for chivalry... whatever it may have been yonks ago, does it really matter? It's more important what it evolved into through the centuries which is what we think of now in this day and age.
We also don't base our views of for instance 'marriage' and 'justice' and 'romantic partners' on what it used to be almost a thousands years ago but on what it evolved into.

Fiction, no matter how romanticized,
is never fact.

Without Chivalric code,
Chivalry does not exist.


The opening, and holding of doors?
The doffing of a cap to a lady?
The sliding of a dining chair for a lady?

That's ALL from the Age of Cavaliers.


If people truly studied actual factual history,
they'd know these things.

There is nothing negative about the Chivalric code . In fact , as it stands , I think , the five notions that make up the basic ground rules , are very noble and borderline ... ideal !!!
I did not realize our behaviour has evolved so close to that of the Code.... wow !! If I was living centuries ago .. I would have been a knight .... dang ....

BTW... contrary to popular belief not all knights were corrupt, hooligans or bastards!!!!!

My thesis for my Master's degree was an analysis of the reasons for the first crusade. I have a fair amount of knowledge on this subject.