Topic: WHAT IS ARMAGEDDON?
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Sat 12/12/20 09:33 AM


[Luke 21:10] is referring to the Masada of 70 AD when the Roman army captured Jeruzalem, destroyed the 2nd Temple and took the Gold and riches of King Solomon.
Christ had warned his people to flee to the mountains (Egypt) where his parents fled too, when King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus. The Masada was terrible because the jews were surrounded, could not leave Jeruzalem, and had to cannibalize the death.



Luke 21:25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”


...your redemption is drawing near. Who is the you?


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Sun 12/13/20 09:58 AM
Edited by Unknow on Sun 12/13/20 09:58 AM
Christ often spoke of and to future generations even when he was speaking at the time.

Those who heard -and recorded his words for future generations -obviously did not then see the heavenly bodies shaken or the Son of Man return in power and glory.

He also made clear he was speaking about THAT time.

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Sun 12/13/20 08:12 PM

Christ often spoke of and to future generations even when he was speaking at the time.

Those who heard -and recorded his words for future generations -obviously did not then see the heavenly bodies shaken or the Son of Man return in power and glory.

He also made clear he was speaking about THAT time.


Of course, Daniel and Paul were among the few who understood, that the prophecies about the end time would not come to pass, in their generation.

That does not answer my question. I am just inquiring about the redemption and for who it will be, since you wrote it down. That's most interesting; don't you think so too?

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Mon 12/14/20 10:23 AM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 12/14/20 10:26 AM
As he spoke of a redemption at the time of the coming of the Son of Man in power and glory, it would be those called by God since Adam who will be in the FIRST resurrection ("the rest of the dead" are raised later and judged according to their works -some to life, some to final purification, then life)

I Thes 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

rev 5 .....and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

HOWEVER, that is not the end of redemption.....

I Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1 Cor 3:13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

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Mon 12/14/20 02:03 PM

As he spoke of a redemption at the time of the coming of the Son of Man in power and glory, it would be those called by God since Adam who will be in the FIRST resurrection ("the rest of the dead" are raised later and judged according to their works -some to life, some to final purification, then life)

I Thes 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

rev 5 .....and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

HOWEVER, that is not the end of redemption.....

I Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1 Cor 3:13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.



..let me see. Adam (the 1st man) will be in the 1st resurrection, which is very acceptable. But since we all come from Adam, will we all be resurrected?
Also, will it be acceptable to you, if I say that the "YOU" was referring to the chosen seed? And who are thee?




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Mon 12/14/20 09:33 PM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 12/14/20 09:46 PM
...and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rom 2:10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

1 Pet 4:17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

The above might seem to suggest that the presently-ungodly will not be saved at all -but elsewhere, scripture explains that they will be "saved, yet so as by fire".

Some of all nations will be made immortal at the first resurrection.
All else will be resurrected to the second -a thousand years after the first -and judged according to works (not specific beliefs). The judgment is not all doom and gloom as some have supposed -though it will be unpleasant for those whose works were not good and need further purification.

There is not point to resurrection all the rest of the dead to a judgment only to judge that they just die again.

The wording can be tricky, but what is described as the "second death" does not actually END in death -any more than the first death.

Whether Adam specifically is in the first resurrection is between him and God -I can't say -but, if not, he will be in the second.

Notice that death and the grave are destroyed in the lake of fire -as are some who will be saved, yet so as by fire!
Rev 20:14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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Sat 12/19/20 11:24 PM


To DoofusMaximus:

Do you think Adam will be resurrected?
He sinned by breaking the law of God. Lost perfection and the ability to live forever. He passed on to us, his descendants, only sin, death, disease ... And we still live with it.

Adam sold all of humanity into slavery to sin. And God will not resurrect him and Eve. Adam and Eve are those who will never be resurrected!

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Tue 02/23/21 03:32 PM



To DoofusMaximus:

Do you think Adam will be resurrected?
He sinned by breaking the law of God. Lost perfection and the ability to live forever. He passed on to us, his descendants, only sin, death, disease ... And we still live with it.

Adam sold all of humanity into slavery to sin. And God will not resurrect him and Eve. Adam and Eve are those who will never be resurrected!



Romans 10
6. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7. Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8. But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


And God will not resurrect him and Eve. you said

read the above bible verse, you do not know the bible.

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Fri 02/26/21 04:23 PM
Edited by Elena on Fri 02/26/21 04:46 PM
I'm talking about Adam and Eve.
Who are you talking about?


I'm glad you know the Bible. But do you understand it correctly?
P.S. --- it is always more pleasant to talk with modest people.



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Sun 02/28/21 03:02 PM
what religion are you are you
jehovah witness.

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Sun 02/28/21 03:04 PM
Romans 10
6. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)


you already said adam will not go to heavon, i follow the bible read it again.

who are you to state that statement are you god or do you have authority to say that no.

so you teach wrong.

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Sat 03/06/21 01:46 PM
Sir! Let's be correct and polite.

Yes, I am Jehovah's Witness! And I am very proud that I am a servant of God, the real living Jehovah God.

You say that I am teaching wrong.
But I do not teach, I show Jehovah's view on certain issues.

And we have one Teacher - Jesus Christ. No one can teach better than him.

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Sat 03/06/21 11:10 PM
14. Will Adam be resurrected? Explain.

14 What did Paul mean when he said that “in Adam all are dying”? Paul had in mind Adam’s descendants, who inherited sin and imperfection from Adam and thus are in a dying condition. (Rom. 5:12) Adam is not among those who “will be made alive.” Christ’s ransom does not cover him, for Adam was a perfect man who willfully disobeyed God. The outcome for Adam is the same as what is ahead for those whom “the Son of man” will judge as “goats,” namely, “everlasting cutting-off.”​—Matt. 25:31-33, 46; Heb. 5:9.

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Wed 03/10/21 01:34 PM

14. Will Adam be resurrected? Explain.

14 What did Paul mean when he said that “in Adam all are dying”? Paul had in mind Adam’s descendants, who inherited sin and imperfection from Adam and thus are in a dying condition. (Rom. 5:12) Adam is not among those who “will be made alive.” Christ’s ransom does not cover him, for Adam was a perfect man who willfully disobeyed God. The outcome for Adam is the same as what is ahead for those whom “the Son of man” will judge as “goats,” namely, “everlasting cutting-off.”​—Matt. 25:31-33, 46; Heb. 5:9.


Your words: Adam sold all of humanity into slavery to sin. And God will not resurrect him and Eve. Adam and Eve are those who will never be resurrected!

So I guess your saying your god now, and you have the power to say who goes to heaven and who does not. clearly you never read the bible verse. Romans 10.

You should not be teaching,

2 John 1
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

You added a verse saying who goes up to heaven or not. that is wrong, were you with them in the last days at the moment of thier death, they might have repented, you dont know that.

so you claim to be god and have the power who goes up or down now.

Yet in your stubbornness you never understand this

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Sat 03/13/21 02:33 PM
I do not want to argue with you.
There is a concept of intentional sin. And those who deliberately sinned against God will not be resurrected. And Adam and Eve sinned on purpose.

It’s a pity you don’t understand this.
All the best.

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Wed 03/17/21 09:51 AM
Adam didn't sin. Eve did!

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Wed 03/17/21 10:32 AM
WHAT IS ARMAGEDDON?

Its a place.
It is thought that the word Armageddon is derived from Megiddo, since the prefix har means “hill” in Hebrew; hence, Armageddon means “Hill of Megiddo.” Ancient ruins at Megiddo, northern Israel. The prophesied location of a gathering of armies for a battle during the end times

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Sat 03/20/21 04:49 PM
to tdion.

Both Adam and Eve sinned against God.

Eve was deceived by Satan and followed his lead.

And Adam, according to the apostle Paul, was not deceived (1 Timothy 2:14).
Adam knew that he would die if he violated the will of God. And despite this, Adam, of his own free will, deliberately disobeyed his Creator.

And since Adam was the head of the family, he is responsible for the actions of his wife Eve.

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Sat 03/20/21 05:02 PM
to Tom4Uhere

Yes, the word Armageddon is borrowed from the Hebrew language and means "Mount Megiddo."

But, apparently, a literal place called Mount Megiddo did not exist either in the Promised Land or beyond, it did not exist either during the life of the Apostle John (who recorded the vision in which this expression is mentioned), or before him. Consequently, the meaning of the word "Har-Magedon" is obviously shed by the events associated with the ancient city of Megiddo.
The city of Megiddo was located several kilometers to the south-east. from Mount Carmel and towered over the Ezdrilon Valley (Jezreel Valley).

But we're not talking about a literal place.
We're talking about God's War of Armageddon.

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Tue 03/23/21 01:17 AM
Edited by Unknow on Tue 03/23/21 01:20 AM


14. Will Adam be resurrected? Explain.

Your words: Adam sold all of humanity into slavery to sin. And God will not resurrect him and Eve. Adam and Eve are those who will never be resurrected!


show me where it says in the bible that Adam and eve will not be resurrected.