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But in the end, I never saw a single thing to indicate that there was anything legitimate to it -- other than a bunch of people with a desperate desire to believe in something bigger and more powerful than themselves. Isn't that the same exact thing as Christianity or Catholicism? What proof do you have? Nothing but a desire to believe that there is order to it all, that something/someone is behind the wheel and make sure everything works out in the end. You can't say that statement without considering that any religion is a group of people who desperately want to believe in something bigger than themselves. |
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Edited by
UWannaBSpontaneous
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Thu 12/20/07 10:52 AM
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But in the end, I never saw a single thing to indicate that there was anything legitimate to it -- other than a bunch of people with a desperate desire to believe in something bigger and more powerful than themselves. Isn't that the same exact thing as Christianity or Catholicism? What proof do you have? Nothing but a desire to believe that there is order to it all, that something/someone is behind the wheel and make sure everything works out in the end. You can't say that statement without considering that any religion is a group of people who desperately want to believe in something bigger than themselves. No! Many religions are based on the Bible which while written by man is accepted as coming from God. There is an important history behind the development of Christianity and it's acceptance. I'm not desprete in believing something "bigger than me". I accept it as my truth, have faith in it, and it is the one thing I pass onto my children. Now it is up to them to decide. Great topic. |
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Here's something that is making me laugh.
This was never a conversation about Religion to begin with. Yes, Witchcraft is a religion... and at the same time, it isn't. Witchcraft isn't my religion. It's only something I use in my life to create things. I don't follow it's teachings nor do i worship. I simply use magic. |
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Here's something that is making me laugh. This was never a conversation about Religion to begin with. Yes, Witchcraft is a religion... and at the same time, it isn't. Witchcraft isn't my religion. It's only something I use in my life to create things. I don't follow it's teachings nor do i worship. I simply use magic.  ok...now I feel tricked
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UWannaBSpontaneous
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Thu 12/20/07 10:59 AM
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From Wikipedia: "Practices and beliefs that have been termed "witchcraft" do not constitute a single identifiable religion, since they are found in a wide variety of cultures, both present and historical; however these beliefs do generally involve religious elements dealing with spirits or deities, the afterlife, magic and ritual. Witchcraft is generally characterised by its use of magic."
So you didn't answer my question about who you are wanting to be more tolerant and why? Did you catch my statement about your tolerance of others who have difficulty accepting? Oh and What kind of Magic are you talking about?" Fill us in for education of what you do and what you expect from it. Respectfully, J |
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On the question of tolerance, anybody really.
I want people to at least know what Magic is. And this can be anyone from the zealot religious to the every day Joe. My main focus on my magic has always been to heal. In fact, me and another practitioner have worked on people who had some sort of sickness. We did work on a lot of people for about two years. When I went solitary, my main focus has been on bettering myself. |
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Im happy for any one that finds a personally fulfilling experience with something like magic. I couldn't be happier for people that find solace in this other worldly experience. My issues come in when someone tries to use it to fool others out of money. My personal belief is that magic does not exist. The rules of the universe are written by physics. Back in the 70's there was Uri Geller bending spoons with his mind, draw the same thing you did without looking. He was on every talk show back then. He seemed like a real nice guy and many people bought into it. Well a guy named the Amazing Randy, a magician, was out to show everybody that this guy was just doing tricks not "real" magic as he claimed. When Uri went on the Johny Carson Show, Johny had let Randy set up some tests ahead of time without telling Uri Geller. I probably don't need to tell you the rest. Uri humed and hawed and just plain failed. If you can do magic you can make yourself rich. The Amazing Randy will pay 1 million dollars to anyone that can prove they are magic. There have been many who tried for the money all have failed. |
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But in the end, I never saw a single thing to indicate that there was anything legitimate to it -- other than a bunch of people with a desperate desire to believe in something bigger and more powerful than themselves. Isn't that the same exact thing as Christianity or Catholicism? What proof do you have? Nothing but a desire to believe that there is order to it all, that something/someone is behind the wheel and make sure everything works out in the end. You can't say that statement without considering that any religion is a group of people who desperately want to believe in something bigger than themselves. Exactly, and that's a big part of why I'm an atheist. I don't believe in NUTHIN' -- !! |
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Im happy for any one that finds a personally fulfilling experience with something like magic. I couldn't be happier for people that find solace in this other worldly experience. My issues come in when someone tries to use it to fool others out of money. My personal belief is that magic does not exist. The rules of the universe are written by physics. Back in the 70's there was Uri Geller bending spoons with his mind, draw the same thing you did without looking. He was on every talk show back then. He seemed like a real nice guy and many people bought into it. Well a guy named the Amazing Randy, a magician, was out to show everybody that this guy was just doing tricks not "real" magic as he claimed. When Uri went on the Johny Carson Show, Johny had let Randy set up some tests ahead of time without telling Uri Geller. I probably don't need to tell you the rest. Uri humed and hawed and just plain failed. If you can do magic you can make yourself rich. The Amazing Randy will pay 1 million dollars to anyone that can prove they are magic. There have been many who tried for the money all have failed. Two young men came very close to claiming that money. Just before they accepted the check, a scientist said "Can you tell us how you do it?" and one of them replied "Yes, we cheated". Randi had hired two magicians to trick the scientists, so that he could prove how easily even a skeptical person can be fooled. |
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So... now I am to understand that magic isn't real, even though I have made it real on many occasions?
And are we talking about magicians here or witches? Magic is started in the mind. When intention is sent out, when your focus, concentration, and discipline is sent out, we may or may not get desired results. and that's the beauty of it all. Magic is send something out so hopefully it will return. and this, again, goes back to not thinking for yourself. Simply because this one person claims that there is no such thing, and is willing to support the claim by giving someone a million dollars, does not mean that magic is not real. So, maybe magic can't be proven. Who cares? Magic is very real in those who use it. And other people will probably never be able to see it. |
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God can't be proven either, that doesn't mean I don't believe in a God.
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It always amazes me how christians shove faith down your throat for anything that can't be explained. "you've got to have faith" is all I heard growing up.
Yet when it comes to any different religion, such as being a witch, everyone starts in about how you can't prove magic exists. How hypocritical... |
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It always amazes me how christians shove faith down your throat for anything that can't be explained. "you've got to have faith" is all I heard growing up. Yet when it comes to any different religion, such as being a witch, everyone starts in about how you can't prove magic exists. How hypocritical... yzrabbit1 and LexFonteyne are not Christians... |
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If your talking about me being hypocritical I will be glad to go all day on how Jesus never Rose from the dead and is not the son of God. I am not hypocritical just very critical
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It always amazes me how christians shove faith down your throat for anything that can't be explained. "you've got to have faith" is all I heard growing up. Yet when it comes to any different religion, such as being a witch, everyone starts in about how you can't prove magic exists. How hypocritical... yzrabbit1 and LexFonteyne are not Christians... |
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This conversation was 'rolling' along just fine. I hope it can resume that roll with a number of pleasant exchanges...
I believe that there is a way to tie everything together... all that is known... together... What do you think of this notion? 
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Completely agreed.
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pick a card
any card |
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Fourth one down, on your left.
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jack of spades!
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