Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

If the answer is "No", then you have said that "Jesus (as understood by Christians) isn't real". Therefore, you are in the same boat with whomever you are talking about.

Darn. Do I get to try again??

nope one show only!

then off for Christmas Holiday....


hope those presents show up under the tree...as if by magic

Nah. Magic isn't cool this month. All of the witches left it up to Santa.

It always amazes me how christians shove faith down your throat for anything that can't be explained. "you've got to have faith" is all I heard growing up.
Yet when it comes to any different religion, such as being a witch, everyone starts in about how you can't prove magic exists. How hypocritical...


yzrabbit1 and LexFonteyne are not Christians...
I wasn't referring to them...


Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

If the answer is "No", then you have said that "Jesus (as understood by Christians) isn't real". Therefore, you are in the same boat with whomever you are talking about.
My answer is No. However, you have completely missed my meaning.
I am not saying Jesus isn't real. I'm not saying people should or should believe in him. What I am saying is that it is not what I am drawn to, it is not part of my faith. Everyone has their own faith. I am saying that Jesus is not the only way.

yzrabbit1 and LexFonteyne are not Christians...
I wasn't referring to them...


Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

If the answer is "No", then you have said that "Jesus (as understood by Christians) isn't real". Therefore, you are in the same boat with whomever you are talking about.
My answer is No. However, you have completely missed my meaning.
I am not saying Jesus isn't real. I'm not saying people should or should believe in him. What I am saying is that it is not what I am drawn to, it is not part of my faith. Everyone has their own faith. I am saying that Jesus is not the only way.
Sorry I messed up the quote button :)
I also meant I am not saying people should or should NOT believe in Jesus...
Typos... ;)

My personal feeling is that magic is an illusion itself and decieving. That being said, I have no problem with the practicioners themselves, if you follow Crowley, Gardner, whoever, everybody makes their own life choice & that's whatever as long as it's not pushed on me. Most people who follow or practice magic for the most part are still good people, mankind as a whole just needs to learn to agree to disagree on such things;^]

Jill298,

I realize you aren't saying Jesus isn't real, but you are saying that the Christian understanding of Jesus isn't real. According to the Bible, Jesus is the only way to eternal life. I'm not preaching, I'm explaining. If you say "Jesus isn't the only way", then you have rejected Christian beliefs. Just like someone who says that magic isn't real may be rejecting your own beliefs. My only point is that when someone states their religious convictions, they will often reject your own in doing so. You have every right to whatever beliefs you hold, but you will find that many peoples beliefs will in essense reject your own and your beliefs will reject theirs. It's best to just take another's beliefs with a grain of salt and now allow them to offend you.

This is what I believe...


In the truest of senses... I believe one 'conforms' unto his/her own idealogical exposure, whether out of need or out of convenience, or both, which may or may not include or agree with another's definition of 'right and wrong'.

The separate and individual uniqueness of this world's fingerprint upon one shapes his/her view of the world according to the 'agreements' made within each individual which are based on one's inner acceptances of 'truth'... one's behaviour will follow suit.

Every truly peaceful and pleasant person I have come to know all have inner peace in common, regardless of religious practice... and they have all displayed a 'light' within as a result of the peace within.

Inner peace, by removing what is in the way, attained by identical means, finding what lie within, through different methods.


How can that be?


Although I believe not in what modern-day Christianity teaches, there is a truth in it... buried... under dogma... IF... one can get through the "personification of 'God'".... The Christianity that left Jesus.

You know, the absolute purest beauty of what 'Christianity' brought to my life was the beginning of my own self-recognition... the 'salvation' from the fingerprint of the world... although not completely understood as such at the time... it 'saved' me by showing me to myself, and allowing the finding of that which I believe lives within each of us... true sanctity and inner peace...

This notion, I believe underlies many scriptures. The references to that which lies within a man's heart and it's affect on his behaviour can be found throughout the Bible, front to back, and is undeniable. It is the method to 'attain' the inner peace that is in dispute. The 'destination' of the peace is quite universal in nearly all major religions. It is in the heart...


Until one quits searching for 'inner peace' by looking outward, and at the source of the fingerprint, through the fingerprint, it will always be incorruptable... if there is such a thing as enemy my friend, one is his own worst, when one does not recognize themself, and that which steals one from the 'Spirit' that lives within each of us...

We are all... each... a law unto ourselves... while living life according to it's fingerprint... incorruptably so, without one's own recognition of themself.




P.S. AND IT DOES NOT COST A DIME!!!

When going to bed,
I hit my head.
I dreamed that I was in Ireland.

Where the blarney stones shine with such grace,
and the people always have a smile on their face.
I dreamed that I was in Ireland.

Where the beer flows freely,
and the women want to please me.
I dreamed that I was in Ireland.

Good or bad is simply what you chose to do with it rather than anything inherent in magic itself. It is people, motivations, that create good or evil in the world.

As far as acceptance, I've never told my family, but I think my folks know anyway. Due to a comment here or there by my parents on past trips home about me having always been the witchy one. It wasn't said in judgemental or negative way. Just like it was a fact.

But then, they have always been aware that I was trying to figure out where my own sense of spirituality and religion fit in and what was right for me.

And science, quantum mechanics and such, are reaching the point that they are starting to come full circle with concepts of religion, spirituality, and magic.

People who charge a reasonable fee for things like readings don't bother me. It is the people praying on the fear of others and telling them, "I'll fix it for you if you give me a hundred dollars" that are the real problem.

It really is a whole different issue that has nothing to do with belief, religion, and magic. Many people so called evangelists are doing the exact same thing. Send in money with your prayer requests. Help us so we can help others and God will look favorably upon you. When the money goes to new houses, cars, and so on.

Every group will have people who will try to use others in that way. Anytime people are looking for anything to have faith in, there will be the users ready to take advantage.

amen moondark

Spider, I understand what you are saying, just so you know... I have been in no way offended by anything that has been said in this post and I did not mean to come like I was.

I accept people for who they and accept that what they believe in, they believe to be true. I am not here to say I am right and you or anyone else is wrong.

I totally agree. Remember I stated in another one of your threads about my opinions on such tv shows like "Charmed" and movies like "The Craft?" Well, I'm going to do the unthinkable and actually quote "The Craft" only because this one quote speaks volumes in the truth about Magick... "True magic is neither black nor white. It's both because nature is both, loving and cruel, all at the same time. The only good or bad is in the heart of the witch. Life gives a balance of it's own." Ok you can burn me at the stake for quoting that stupid movie that teenyboppers think is a "how-to" guide to Wicca! Anyway, I truely believe that there is both good and evil within every human being. The key is to keep the correct balance of good and evil within ourselves. To allow the balance to be tipped too far either way makes for a very unhealthy soul. Yes I do believe a person can be unhealthy by being "too good" because they are denying what is naturally within themselves (evil) that is itching to get out every once in a while. To deny oneself is unhealthy for the soul... in my opinion.

Even though that movie gets a lot of ****, I like it.
Not because it got me into witchcraft, because it didn't, and not because it was every little teens movie to get them started in witchcraft.
I think it's because I can see what the movie was trying to say.

INDEED! Being a Kitchen Witch and a SAHM, Magick helps me to focus on hearth and home even more and make my house a home. I've learned to many ways of clearing negative energies out of my home and having 3 teenagers in the home that's realy helpful!