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WOW, funches, who created the creator, excellent, man!!!!! Thumbs up!  This reminds me of "Horton hears a Who" do you remember that cartoon as a kid??? Horton hears a people talking to him on a speck of dust, which turns out to be their world. He is tortured by his people for hearing the whos, they had to build a giant horn to project their voices out so others besides Horton could here them to save him and themselves. Ok so you think I am a dork  but when I saw this as a kid it opened my eyes to the concept of other worlds and how different they could be from what we consider real or normal etc.....also if there could be a world on a speck of dust (us) the universe outside of us in endless, so large we cannot understand. Okay so now I am an idiot   but I had fun remembering anyway that concept is not hard to comprehend..everytime you walk you destroy whole galaxies and universies .. |
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Are you new.......I know what I know what I know what I know. and your a babbling idiot looser who has not proved one thing in any thread you have done or participated in. I told you before, and feel it would useful to remind you again, ... in simpler terms : THE NAME CALLING AND INSULTING OF OTHERS YOU INDULGE IN, IS A PERFECT REFLECTION OF HOW YOU COME ACROSS YOURSELF IN A LOT OF THESE POSTS AND THREADS!!! (the self-reflective words you wrote before this were: 'if the shoe fits?!?!? Trust me feral, the shoe fits you!!!0 Who did I name call or insult.....All I said was if the shoe fits....a lil guilty voile 
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BillingsDreamer
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Art my friend..the original question doesn't ask about the creation of the universe..it asks a logic question and ask for a rational response for your thoughts ..not "google cut and paste" Could you explain where I missed this. It is actually hard to know what your questions are. I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone can answer the questions because I think that they are not real questions. They are rhetorical so you can mind "F" people. To me, the way the question is worded, you included the creation question, and you compared it to God. Wasn't the question something like, if our universe was created, then wasn't He created? If, in answer I said, no, then explained that God had eternally existed, and that our world did not come from nothing, but was actually created from a piece of His eternal world, why doesn't that answer it? Art |
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I'm smart enough not to argue with someone over religious beliefs. And I don't date someone who doesn't share similar beliefs, either, because it never works out in the long run.
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I'm smart enough not to argue with someone over religious beliefs. And I don't date someone who doesn't share similar beliefs, either, because it never works out in the long run. I agree with you, but what about seeking clarity? Not that I think Funches is doing that, but rather that we can seek clarity on subjects. Then there is being ready to give an answer to those who ask. There may be an application there. There is a place too for iron sharpening iron. Art |
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 Did I miss the question or am I just too closed minded and afraid to even see them?
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this thread is about questions that the religious will just close their minds to and refuse to answer or just afraid to answer because it will question their suppose faith or question that they just can't answer rationally ..here's the first one according to believers logic, God had to have created the universe because the universe couldn't have popped out of nothingness and create itself .....so therefore do the same logic apply to the creator if the answer is no then could you explain why with a rational explanation Funches!!!!!!  NO!!!! emphatically tendered with all of my heart. Rational or not, God is His own Judge. Choose whom you will serve, my friend. He whom you seek, or he whom you know. |
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"Faith is believing something you know ain't true." - Mark Twain
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"Faith is believing something you know ain't true." - Mark Twain Gotta love Twain! These are some pretty good quotes! And wise ones too! |
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"Faith is believing something you know ain't true." - Mark Twain Gotta love Twain! These are some pretty good quotes! And wise ones too! I thought these were better... Luke 3:15, 16 John answered them all, "I baptize you with[c] water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. 17His winnowing fork is in his hand to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." 18And with many other words John exhorted the people and preached the good news to them. Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. John 3:3, 5, 6 Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." He also said, "I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, He cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" Matthew 7 1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye, ' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. |
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Ezekiel 13
False Prophets Condemned 1Then the word of the LORD came to me saying, 2"Son of man, prophesy against the (A)prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy from their own inspiration, '(B)Listen to the word of the LORD! 3'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Woe to the (C)foolish prophets who are following their own spirit and have (D)seen nothing. 4"O Israel, your prophets have been like foxes among ruins. 5"You have not (E)gone up into the (F)breaches, nor did you build the wall around the house of Israel to stand in the battle on the (G)day of the LORD. 6"They see (H)falsehood and lying divination who are saying, 'The LORD declares, ' when the LORD has not sent them; (I)yet they hope for the fulfillment of their word. 7"(J)Did you not see a false vision and speak a lying divination when you said, 'The LORD declares, ' but it is not I who have spoken?"'" 8Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD, "Because you have spoken falsehood and seen a lie, therefore behold, (K)I am against you, " declares the Lord GOD. 9"So My hand will be against the (L)prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations They will have no place in the council of My people, (M)nor will they be written down in the register of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel, that you may know that I am the Lord GOD. |
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god was not created. he just IS. we as human's cannot wrap our minds around something like that. i feel if a god exists, which i believe he does, he could easily create us without that understanding. that is why we are us, and god is god. i dont think that's a cop-out. i feel its a perfectly logical way of looking at it. IF god exists, he created the rules. the universe, heaven, earth, etc, is way too huge for our tiny humans minds to ever grasp and we werent meant to. it is a cop-out CraniumDesigns because mostly what you talk about is what your tiny human mind can't comprehend ..you can only speak for yourself in this case because there simply may be others that can comprehend ..to believe this about yourself is exactly what religion relies upon ..low self esteem to not question beyond the belief ...you said that God was not created and that he just is ...how would you know that unless you existed before God |
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Art my friend..the original question doesn't ask about the creation of the universe..it asks a logic question and ask for a rational response for your thoughts ..not "google cut and paste" Could you explain where I missed this. It is actually hard to know what your questions are. I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone can answer the questions because I think that they are not real questions. They are rhetorical so you can mind "F" people. To me, the way the question is worded, you included the creation question, and you compared it to God. Wasn't the question something like, if our universe was created, then wasn't He created? If, in answer I said, no, then explained that God had eternally existed, and that our world did not come from nothing, but was actually created from a piece of His eternal world, why doesn't that answer it? Art it's simple Art.... because you claim that God had eternally existed ...now explain rationally how you know that |
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god was not created. he just IS. we as human's cannot wrap our minds around something like that. i feel if a god exists, which i believe he does, he could easily create us without that understanding. that is why we are us, and god is god. i dont think that's a cop-out. i feel its a perfectly logical way of looking at it. IF god exists, he created the rules. the universe, heaven, earth, etc, is way too huge for our tiny humans minds to ever grasp and we werent meant to. it is a cop-out CraniumDesigns because mostly what you talk about is what your tiny human mind can't comprehend ..you can only speak for yourself in this case because there simply may be others that can comprehend ..to believe this about yourself is exactly what religion relies upon ..low self esteem to not question beyond the belief ...you said that God was not created and that he just is ...how would you know that unless you existed before God Rather judgemental dont you think? //tiny human mind, Low self esteem// Interesting how you say such becasue to believe in what you believe in, we came from Apes.... and i believe God created me to glorify and grow in his name. SO in reality who has a the tiny brain? As well, it requires much more brain power to believe in somthing you cannot see, and is much more creditble than believeing somthing a scientist thought would make a good story for the public. Watch your judgmental opinions casue when you look at the big picture you arnt much different. |
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I'm smart enough not to argue with someone over religious beliefs. And I don't date someone who doesn't share similar beliefs, either, because it never works out in the long run. geez RomanticSoul ..in the other thread you want a guy that dosen't go by how a woman look and now you don't date anyone that doesn't share similar beliefs ..you must be looking for a blind agnostic atheist fundamentalist that's in a self-induced coma |
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I'm smart enough not to argue with someone over religious beliefs. And I don't date someone who doesn't share similar beliefs, either, because it never works out in the long run. I agree with you, but what about seeking clarity? Not that I think Funches is doing that, but rather that we can seek clarity on subjects. Then there is being ready to give an answer to those who ask. There may be an application there. There is a place too for iron sharpening iron. Art seeking clarity...Art..it's a simple logical question that has a yes or no answer and if the answer is no all you have to do is give a brief explanation as to why ...it's not a trick question just a logical one |
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First, I don't think anyone is afraid to comment on this topic. Not everyone is well-versed in philosophy or capable of such thought. That's not a criticism, but merely a fact. Few people will be able to respond to your question in any meaningful way because the concept requires a deep understanding of philosophy and mathematics/physics. why? ..it's just a simple logical question with a yes or no answer and a brief exlanation Second, the argument is often erroneously stated as "everything that exists must have a cause." The actual concept is, "everything that _begins_ to exist must have a cause." The distinction may seem trite, but it's actually rather important. the question states that according to "believers logic" the universe couldn't have pop out of nothingness and therefore had to be created and that everything had a creator ...so according to believer's logic doesnt the same logic apply to the creator |
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god was not created. he just IS. we as human's cannot wrap our minds around something like that. i feel if a god exists, which i believe he does, he could easily create us without that understanding. that is why we are us, and god is god. i dont think that's a cop-out. i feel its a perfectly logical way of looking at it. IF god exists, he created the rules. the universe, heaven, earth, etc, is way too huge for our tiny humans minds to ever grasp and we werent meant to. it is a cop-out CraniumDesigns because mostly what you talk about is what your tiny human mind can't comprehend ..you can only speak for yourself in this case because there simply may be others that can comprehend ..to believe this about yourself is exactly what religion relies upon ..low self esteem to not question beyond the belief ...you said that God was not created and that he just is ...how would you know that unless you existed before God Rather judgemental dont you think? //tiny human mind, Low self esteem// Interesting how you say such becasue to believe in what you believe in, we came from Apes.... and i believe God created me to glorify and grow in his name. SO in reality who has a the tiny brain? As well, it requires much more brain power to believe in somthing you cannot see, and is much more creditble than believeing somthing a scientist thought would make a good story for the public. Watch your judgmental opinions casue when you look at the big picture you arnt much different. well kalamazooguy...maybe you do have a tiny mind because you didn't read the post right so allow me to explain it to you so you can comprehend it ..CraniumDesigns was the one that brought up the tiny human mind concept not me ..also you are making assumptions that I believe in evolution so pull up a post where I said I did ..so as you spew about others being judgemental then as keeping with the topic of the thread ..shouldn't the same logic apply to you |
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well kalamazooguy...maybe you do have a tiny mind because you didn't read the post right so allow me to explain it to you so you can comprehend it ..CraniumDesigns was the one that brought up the tiny human mind concept not me ..also you are making assumptions that I believe in evolution so pull up a post where I said I did ..so as you spew about others being judgemental then as keeping with the topic of the thread ..shouldn't the same logic apply to you //it is a cop-out CraniumDesigns because mostly what you talk about is what your tiny human mind can't comprehend ..you can only speak for yourself in this case because there simply may be others that can comprehend ..to believe this about yourself is exactly what religion relies upon ..low self esteem to not question beyond the belief ...you said that God was not created and that he just is ...how would you know that unless you existed before God// This is response to a previous post in which you use the words "YOU" and "YOUR" tiny human mind cant comrehend. Generally if your refering to a Theory you should have not used such words and used word such as {What the human mind], and {mostly what the cranium design talks about} , therefore my assumption. AS well, how am i being judgemental? Im posting the Big picture to you, you made an assumption due to people believeing in chrsit when i simply turned the logic around. In the Big picture my question was not answered, which would require a more complex mind to believe or not to believe? |
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well kalamazooguy...maybe you do have a tiny mind because you didn't read the post right so allow me to explain it to you so you can comprehend it ..CraniumDesigns was the one that brought up the tiny human mind concept not me ..also you are making assumptions that I believe in evolution so pull up a post where I said I did ..so as you spew about others being judgemental then as keeping with the topic of the thread ..shouldn't the same logic apply to you //it is a cop-out CraniumDesigns because mostly what you talk about is what your tiny human mind can't comprehend ..you can only speak for yourself in this case because there simply may be others that can comprehend ..to believe this about yourself is exactly what religion relies upon ..low self esteem to not question beyond the belief ...you said that God was not created and that he just is ...how would you know that unless you existed before God// This is response to a previous post in which you use the words "YOU" and "YOUR" tiny human mind cant comrehend. Generally if your refering to a Theory you should have not used such words and used word such as {What the human mind], and {mostly what the cranium design talks about} , therefore my assumption. AS well, how am i being judgemental? Im posting the Big picture to you, you made an assumption due to people believeing in chrsit when i simply turned the logic around. In the Big picture my question was not answered, which would require a more complex mind to believe or not to believe? dude all I'm saiding is read the post before you start ranting and preaching to others ...because you are being judgemental on me because of what someone else said..CraniumDesigns talked about how tiny human brain can't comprehend ..so read before you post |
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