Debates aren't usually moderated by the opposing team.

I think JHead has a vaild point, why are you avoiding such questions. I happen to agree with his logic and i too ask why to you target only Christianity?

Nobody walks around talking about how much they hate Voldemort. People only get passionate about God, because try as they might, they can't stop believing in him.

there's a new sheriff in town partner

I third it

ok..kalamazooguy...show where in the post is Christianity mention ..if you can't find it...then try to answer the original question and stop trying to start a holy war

wow I don't remember Christianity being the first religion to have a God...I mean Christianity is but a splinter sect from another religion ..you guys have to learn to share your Gods

funches read your posts.. please and stop avoiding such a question. Wheres the verbash on Budah? How about the Islamic God? Dont see any interrogating question regarding them?

Kalamazooguy..I notice you have a habit of accusing me falsely in which the last time you apolgize ..and now once again you accused me falsely and make accusations ... so show me where I mention Christianity in my posts,..or apologize ..let's see your christian values at work

Also a lil side note for my buddy funches.....You can go back and back and back in all your threads....and as Christians were and are the only people to believe in one God....which is how you question everything you ask......hmmmmm would say your singling out Christians without even knowing you are.

feralcatlady if you can't pull up where I said Christianity then you too are falsely accusing me ..is that what Christians do?

That sums it up? Really? Do you believe that anything that's debated is useless? I didn't say that the entire issue is up for debate, mind you, merely that it is debated. Further, I didn't regurgitate Stephen Hawking's explanations, but discussed the nature of his work in such a way as to provide a response. To suggest that an explanation that includes information from outside oneself is somehow illicit is simply ludicrous. None of us truly has an original, unprovoked thought, and our knowledge as a race has significantly depended upon effectively using the knowledge of others from which to build.

The actual answer I offered is in the process — in the very fact that there is uncertainty and the leeway for debate — and that is the answer I provided to you. It is in the uncertainty that some theists believe they are justified in belief. That was my answer, which you continue to ignore.

You claim that I wish to engage in an endless debate about millions of unproven scientific theories. First, it's not millions of theories; it's only one question of singularity with two general options that speak directly to the question of first cause and have very specific conclusions depending on which is the case. I stated earlier, however, that neither option excludes anything in regard to an antecedent cause. You've ignored everything I've offered to help in understanding why or how theists might feel justified — using very real possibilities based on current data about the nature of causation (which is the question you're asking) — and then you accuse me of wishing to engage in an endless debate. And, regarding the "endless debate," following is what I said in my initial post:



I am not looking to debate you or anyone here. I truly thought you were seeking understanding and I hoped to help in that way. I was wrong, clearly. You need not waste any further time in responding to me, because I honestly don't care what you have to say anymore. I was willing to help when I thought that was what you wanted, but I won't continue to fuel your hostility toward theists or provide you with fodder to promote your own myopic world view.

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Of all the things you've written in this thread, this is the only one that offends me. I haven't taken anything I've written in this thread from any other source except what I've learned over the last several years about the work of physicists and mathematicians, and nothing I've mentioned about that could be considered any sort of intellectual theft. Otherwise the thoughts are mine, and I have not plagiarized from any source or lifted my words from any other web site. As some here can attest, I try to provide sources if I'm using someone else's argument or when quoting a passage; and when I cannot because I no longer have access to my reference materials, I disclose that information as well.

Christians have been called "believers" since 100 AD or earlier. Christians and Jews capitalize "God", while other relgions do not. Given those two facts, I must assume that your OP was directed at Christians.

christianity is not the first religion and therefore not the first believers...sorry

hello funches! stirring everyone up again? lol hope you are having a wonderful day!

hey winnie..now my day is wonderful

i had a rough day and thought i would just go around posting happy things today. how have you been? you're not calling ppl delusional again are you?

surprising not to many are acting delusional today..just Kalamazooguy spidercmb and of course feralcatlady ..they are having paraniod delusions that my post mention Christianity when it doesn't ..but I'm having a good day..sorry to read that your day was a rough one

its ok. God still blesses me through rough times. well, im heading out. my son and i are having pizza at my parents tonite and we are going to help decorate their tree. talk to you later!

aaah funches and I thought we were friends.....