Topic: You Nice Guys Out There....
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Mon 12/10/07 12:19 AM

Stop being such Push-Overs in front of the Women you like.

Seriously Man the **** Up.



cuz im really tired of all the ones who keep whining about how the nice guy always gets screwed. How the jerk always gets the girl. stop whining and step up to the "NOW".

Yea, ive been used, Yea it hurts, But guess what, I havent let it happen since.

Have some self-respect and dignity. <<< You can have that and still be a Gentlemen but jeez stop laying yourself out for girls, especially when you're just getting to know them.

Here's a scenerio:
A girl you like and is sitting beside you and their are napkins closer to her than you, within a hands reach of her. She asks for a napkin, what do you do...?

I'll tell you what I do. I tell her straight up and my words exactly. "I aint your *****." <<< That right there sets the tone. now dont say it all grouchy and ****, but show her you got Balls and your not going to give them to her whenever she calls. This way too, you present that challenge! and girls love that challenge, because most guys are that push-over I'll do whatever you want type.


Men if you feel you are being used and passed over, well do something about it, seriously.





why do i get the urge to pee on your head right now?

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Mon 12/10/07 12:19 AM
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 12/10/07 12:20 AM
sandwich you might get but just dont ask for any napkins to go with it

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Mon 12/10/07 12:21 AM
I dont need no stinking napkins......I will just use his shirt!!!devil devil devil devil Oh and Id like a diet coke with that too!!!laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 12/10/07 12:25 AM
hurry up!!! I dont have all night!!!grumble laugh grumble laugh

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Mon 12/10/07 12:27 AM
I JUST read the napkin scenario and have this to say:

The whole point of avoiding the "nice guy" routine is so that you won't come off as an insecure doormat.
Being offensive, disrespectful, or excessively swearing is just another sign of insecurity. If youre going to say "I ain't youre b!tch," say it very playfully so that everyone is still having fun and feeling a positive vibe. If you cannot visualize this scenario, you need to get your socialization skills checked.

I don't think edukated meant the tone to be offensive or deragatory at all, guys. He's just telling us to respect ourselves.

If a girl asked for a napkin when they were closer to her...well that would be pretty dumb. I probably wouldn't be hanging out with her in the first place lol. I'd just be like "Are you serious huh " laugh

Then I'd tease her for being silly.

Oh, and be sure to read the article I posted earlier, guys. It's on the third page of this thread.

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Mon 12/10/07 12:31 AM

I JUST read the napkin scenario and have this to say:

The whole point of avoiding the "nice guy" routine is so that you won't come off as an insecure doormat.
Being offensive, disrespectful, or excessively swearing is just another sign of insecurity. If youre going to say "I ain't youre b!tch," say it very playfully so that everyone is still having fun and feeling a positive vibe. If you cannot visualize this scenario, you need to get your socialization skills checked.

I don't think edukated meant the tone to be offensive or deragatory at all, guys. He's just telling us to respect ourselves.

If a girl asked for a napkin when they were closer to her...well that would be pretty dumb. I probably wouldn't be hanging out with her in the first place lol. I'd just be like "Are you serious huh " laugh

Then I'd tease her for being silly.

Oh, and be sure to read the article I posted earlier, guys. It's on the third page of this thread.

okay this isnt meant to be a putdown but a question...
what makes you a relastionship expert or dating coach at 19??

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Mon 12/10/07 12:42 AM
<--------still waiting for my that sandwich and diet cokegrumble grumble grumble laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 12/10/07 12:43 AM
wow.......english is my first language!!!laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 12/10/07 12:48 AM

Stop being such Push-Overs in front of the Women you like.

Seriously Man the **** Up.



cuz im really tired of all the ones who keep whining about how the nice guy always gets screwed. How the jerk always gets the girl. stop whining and step up to the "NOW".

Yea, ive been used, Yea it hurts, But guess what, I havent let it happen since.

Have some self-respect and dignity. <<< You can have that and still be a Gentlemen but jeez stop laying yourself out for girls, especially when you're just getting to know them.

Here's a scenerio:
A girl you like and is sitting beside you and their are napkins closer to her than you, within a hands reach of her. She asks for a napkin, what do you do...?

I'll tell you what I do. I tell her straight up and my words exactly. "I aint your *****." <<< That right there sets the tone. now dont say it all grouchy and ****, but show her you got Balls and your not going to give them to her whenever she calls. This way too, you present that challenge! and girls love that challenge, because most guys are that push-over I'll do whatever you want type.


Men if you feel you are being used and passed over, well do something about it, seriously.



Dr. Phil, you back again, man? noway


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Mon 12/10/07 01:11 AM
Sorry man but,you look a little to soft for that?devil Live a little and decide after.<get a few scars>
smokin

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Mon 12/10/07 01:12 AM
Sorry man but,you look a little to soft for that?devil Live a little and decide after.<get a few scars>
smokin

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Mon 12/10/07 01:13 AM
Sorry man but,you look a little to soft for that?devil Live a little and decide after.<get a few scars>
smokin

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Mon 12/10/07 01:14 AM
laugh Sorry man but,you look a little to soft for that?devil Live a little and decide after.<get a few scars>
smokin Love Is --flowerforyou happy

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Mon 12/10/07 01:18 AM
Edited by ChiefPUA on Mon 12/10/07 01:59 AM

okay this isnt meant to be a putdown but a question...
what makes you a relastionship expert or dating coach at 19??

hey that's a very legit question.
first of all, im 18, not 19 lol. I guess I'll tell you my story...
back in middle school i entered the wonderful world of puberty (if i remember correctly) and became REALLY interested in girls. I was even interested in girls at a romantic level since the second or third grade. Weird genetics or something, perhaps.
Almost all throughout middle school, my love life SUCKED. I followed all the "nice guy" rules and codes of chivalry or whatnot, but girls only saw me as a friend or "loved me like a brother" or whatever. However, I was DAMN persistent and got rejected by like 30 girls in those few years, every single time being the "nice guy" who complimented them every day, bought them gifts, succumbed to their every whim... and then I saw the guys they dated. I always thought they were selfish jerks and I swore to never be like them because they werent the ones that girls really wanted... They only got the girls because they were white or something like that (I grew up in mostly caucasian neighborhoods). I got so depressed from my failures that I began doing things to myself that weren't exactly wise in terms of my mental and physical health.
Eventually, one day in 2003 as I was surfing the internet, I discovered the PUA (pickup artist) community. I looked into their teachings because it was interesting how their entire philosophy was so counter-intuitive to how I have been living my life since then. They were telling me that confidence was attractive, that it is OK to be manly, and that I should respect MYSELF. Up until then I thought that I had to be nice and TOTALLY humble (not confident), that having masculine feelings were evil and immoral (thanks to the unintended anti-male effects of feminism), and that I should completely focus on respecting OTHERS while forgetting about myself. I was taught, by my parents and by catholicism, to be selfless.
That sparked a new passion in my life: psychology. Ever since then I read several texts, many by Ph.D.'s, pertaining to psychology and theories of attraction. At an early age I began studying advanced subjects in psychology such as the effects of the EEA upon our biological impulses that determine our behavior, aka Evolutionary psychology. The topic that always interested me the most in the field, however, was gender differences and how they affect our communication. The internet and books have been amazing resources for me to soak up all this knowledge that people have been researching for years and years. I applied what I learned to my own life and became a happier and more attractive individual. As a musician, I also began seeing many correlations between pickup and musical performance. Everything in life began feeling more real and beautiful. I became involved in the PUA community even more and have met up with older, wiser PUAs at "lair meetings," shared knowledge, and I even watched several DVDs created by the celebrity master PUAs.
I also began noticing something very amazing...the more I relayed this information to others (the more I taught and advised people), the more I learned new perspectives and the more I spread happiness. It became a very healthy addiction. I noticed that the rate of my learning, the speed at which I absorbed all this information, was incredibly fast, but many of my "students" actually learned these social dynamics faster than I did. Why? I think it was because I was there to guide them. I learned all this without a mentor and gathered all these sources on my own time, which was a relatively slow but highly benefitial process.
So, to answer your question, I call myself a dating coach because I helped change the lives of several men so that they could become more than happy with their love lives, simply by teaching them what I have learned from my own journey in this "game." I have made many close friends by doing so and frankly...they say that theyre very glad to have met me. One of my students told me that meeting me was a milestone in his life. Excuse me if it sounds like I'm tootin my own horn here, but I'm just tryin to tell it like it is.
It's amazing what you can learn in just a few years, just a few months... Currently I am a psychology major at a relatively well-known University. As a freshman I am taking higher level courses in psych because I got a full score (5 out of 5) on my Psychology Advanced Placement test in high school. I am also getting more involved in Taoism and Zen Buddhism and am beginning to see many correlations between these philosophies and pickup, because I believe that everything in the universe is connected and interdependent. That's a Buddhist philosophy I have found to be true in my life. And if every person is connected in some way, how is age (or any individual characteristic) a definite determinant for human insight? I question and challenge traditional stereotypes and I have been doing that all my life. I hope that one day everyone here will learn to see past these dogmatisms.

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Mon 12/10/07 01:18 AM
Edited by ChiefPUA on Mon 12/10/07 01:25 AM
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Mon 12/10/07 01:20 AM
Edited by ChiefPUA on Mon 12/10/07 01:24 AM
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Mon 12/10/07 03:09 AM
Edited by bryguy1972 on Mon 12/10/07 03:27 AM


Here's a scenerio:
A girl you like and is sitting beside you and their are napkins closer to her than you, within a hands reach of her. She asks for a napkin, what do you do...?

I'll tell you what I do. I tell her straight up and my words exactly. "I aint your *****." <<< That right there sets the tone. now dont say it all grouchy and ****, but show her you got Balls and your not going to give them to her whenever she calls. This way too, you present that challenge! and girls love that challenge, because most guys are that push-over I'll do whatever you want type.


Men if you feel you are being used and passed over, well do something about it, seriously.



Dr. Phil, I'll try and word this as nicely as I can. I understand you want to help the younger guys out on this forum. I've seen some of the posts from the 18-22 year old guys having problems meeting women and such but you need to understand this, Dr. Phil, in order to give advice on dating or relationships or whatever, you need a little experience under your belt.

I read your profile and you have stated that you have never been in a relationship. Coming on here and posting what you said up there ^, is like walking into a five star restaurant and telling the executive chef how to make a four course meal when you have never even been in a kitchen in your entire life. How do you think the chef is going to react? Seriously...

As for your advice, that is not how to treat anyone...not even your boys. Do you know how offensive "I ain't your *****" is to either a male or female? Especially when someone is just asking to be handed a napkin? You better pray to God that the woman you say that to is not Italian or Irish and for heaven's sake, not a redheaded Irish woman. Mark my words, she will knock you out stone cold right then and there...and you will be eating those words along with it.

I really feel for your generation, Dr. Phil. Too many of these reality shows are a perfect example of how NOT to treat someone. You want to shine for your woman? Open her car door, help push her chair in when she is sitting down for dinner, allow her to order first when the waiter comes to your table, get up from the table and go find your waiter if she remarks that she needs this or that, etc. You act like a gentleman. In your age group, this is a rare breed, indeed. That isn't being a push over. That is being a man. You can still being nice to people and not be a push over. It is quite possible.

And if you are wondering why I continue to call you Dr. Phil it is because he is a good example of someone who doesn't know what the hell he is talking about yet acts like an expert on the subject. He is basically full of ****. I know it's not necessarily a nice nickname but you have kind of earned it with your posts.

Good luck, man. I'm not saying all the individuals in your generation are bad but I would highly suggest throwing that ****ing tv out the window. Good manners and treating people with respect goes a long way in this world. You want to stand out in the crowd? Start with those two things are you will be pulling ahead of the competition in no time.

There are times in life when you do have to whip out the proverbial "balls" but not when someone asks you for a napkin. noway Don't ever confuse "acting like a complete and total ****" to being a man.

And if you are constantly dating women that "push" you around, then you need to start fishing in a different pond.

Ok, I'm gonna get off my soapbox now. grumble



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Mon 12/10/07 05:54 AM
bryguy1972, what are your reactions to the contents of my posts in this thread? (particularly my long post on page 3) I believe I am arguing from the same side edukated is on, and I have been in several different kinds of relationships.

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Mon 12/10/07 06:01 AM


You better pray to God that the woman you say that to is not Italian or Irish and for heaven's sake, not a redheaded Irish woman. Mark my words, she will knock you out stone cold right then and there...and you will be eating those words along with it.



I was so going to leave this alone, til I saw the Irish thing, Speaking as an independant, strong Irish woman, I think my response was to dump my drink in his lap when he said that to me. I have done it before, and I will do it again, when someone is disrespectful to that degree. Especially someone that is trying to win my affections, are we loosing sight of that here? You are out on a date with a girl, and you say that to her. That will get you more than a drink in your lap.