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Topic: illegal immigration in numbers
Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 02/18/19 12:02 AM
1. Put US citizens to work building immigrant processing facilities that are able to house individuals to families.
2. Make it easy for any potential immigrant to access these facilities upon arrival.
3. Have the immigrant applicants sign an immigration training program agreement that is legal in this country AND the exodus countries.
4. Allow immigrant applicants the ability to work under contract (min wage) so they can pay for their immigration costs to become citizens.
5. Give contract adjustments for applicants exhibiting qualifying conditions.
6. Make a 1 year adjustment class mandatory for all applicants no matter their initial qualification.
~a. To learn to speak American English.
~b. To learn American law.
~c. To learn and achieve basic GED requirements
7. Allow applicants to work in specialized fields at average specialist pay.
8. Make applicants pay taxes on the money they make during their application contract.
9. At completion of their immigration contract, graduate them to citizen status with a SSN and citizenship.
10. After the initial first year training, allow immigrant applicants to serve in our military.

If we make the immigration application low cost and easy to get, any illegal immigrants should be deported and restricted from applying for a determined amount of time.

I'm sure the citizens of one of the most powerful nations on the planet can come up with some kind of plan that actually works.
Time to turn our liabilities into assets.

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Mon 02/18/19 12:36 AM
Tom god bless you, your a fu%#×∆π genius:kissing_heart:

T.Roy 's photo
Mon 02/18/19 01:22 AM


I'm sure the citizens of one of the most powerful nations on the planet can come up with some kind of plan that actually works.
Time to turn our liabilities into assets.



I realize this must be a surprise to you....but we already have very fair laws for LEGAL immigrants.

msharmony's photo
Mon 02/18/19 02:06 AM

1. Put US citizens to work building immigrant processing facilities that are able to house individuals to families.
2. Make it easy for any potential immigrant to access these facilities upon arrival.
3. Have the immigrant applicants sign an immigration training program agreement that is legal in this country AND the exodus countries.
4. Allow immigrant applicants the ability to work under contract (min wage) so they can pay for their immigration costs to become citizens.
5. Give contract adjustments for applicants exhibiting qualifying conditions.
6. Make a 1 year adjustment class mandatory for all applicants no matter their initial qualification.
~a. To learn to speak American English.
~b. To learn American law.
~c. To learn and achieve basic GED requirements
7. Allow applicants to work in specialized fields at average specialist pay.
8. Make applicants pay taxes on the money they make during their application contract.
9. At completion of their immigration contract, graduate them to citizen status with a SSN and citizenship.
10. After the initial first year training, allow immigrant applicants to serve in our military.

If we make the immigration application low cost and easy to get, any illegal immigrants should be deported and restricted from applying for a determined amount of time.

I'm sure the citizens of one of the most powerful nations on the planet can come up with some kind of plan that actually works.
Time to turn our liabilities into assets.



these are very cool ideas. I find the immigration debate much like the welfare debate, those that holler the loudest have NO idea what either actually involve because they have not had any experience with either system.



I_love_bluegrass's photo
Mon 02/18/19 07:50 AM
Edited by I_love_bluegrass on Mon 02/18/19 07:52 AM

1. Put US citizens to work building immigrant processing facilities that are able to house individuals to families.
2. Make it easy for any potential immigrant to access these facilities upon arrival.
3. Have the immigrant applicants sign an immigration training program agreement that is legal in this country AND the exodus countries.
4. Allow immigrant applicants the ability to work under contract (min wage) so they can pay for their immigration costs to become citizens.
5. Give contract adjustments for applicants exhibiting qualifying conditions.
6. Make a 1 year adjustment class mandatory for all applicants no matter their initial qualification.
~a. To learn to speak American English.
~b. To learn American law.
~c. To learn and achieve basic GED requirements
7. Allow applicants to work in specialized fields at average specialist pay.
8. Make applicants pay taxes on the money they make during their application contract.
9. At completion of their immigration contract, graduate them to citizen status with a SSN and citizenship.
10. After the initial first year training, allow immigrant applicants to serve in our military.

If we make the immigration application low cost and easy to get, any illegal immigrants should be deported and restricted from applying for a determined amount of time.

I'm sure the citizens of one of the most powerful nations on the planet can come up with some kind of plan that actually works.
Time to turn our liabilities into assets.




Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 02/18/19 12:05 PM


I'm sure the citizens of one of the most powerful nations on the planet can come up with some kind of plan that actually works.
Time to turn our liabilities into assets.

I realize this must be a surprise to you....but we already have very fair laws for LEGAL immigrants.

No, I realize that our legal immigration system works and works just fine for MOST immigrants.
The issue is not with the legal immigrants tho.
The issue is with mass exodus from oppressive or restricted countries to countries that offer substance to their citizens.

If someone enters a country illegally that act makes them unlawful.
There are more people illegally entering than are actual criminals.
Sometimes only their unlawful presence makes them illegal.
If we would make it less expensive and conducive to survival, most of the illegal immigrants would choose to be legally citizens.
There would still be criminals entering but then only the criminals would be illegal.

We could say, YES, you can come to our country but to be here all you need to do is agree to live in our training facility, learn how to be one of us, obey our laws while you learn and earn your place as a citizen.

We could control the situation and have accountability. (We have the intelligence and the technology)
We remove the ones that can't adjust and send them back with a list of what they need to do when they are allowed to try again.

Some will argue that we will just be training foreigners on how to be like us.
So?
Each of them will be paying for their own education and survival by working and paying taxes.
Some of them will have bank accounts and savings while fulfilling their contracts.
The worst that can happen is people from other countries learn how to act, treat others and be responsible for themselves.
How could that hurt anything?

Most illegal exodus to 1st world countries comes from 3rd world countries.
They don't have what we have in their own country so they come here looking for a better life.
If we teach the world how to be all 1st world countries, how is that a bad thing?

How many great minds are being suppressed by oppression?
Its nearly 2020.
You would think our world wide population would be united as a people by now.
If it can happen in certain countries, it can happen globally.

oldkid46's photo
Mon 02/18/19 02:52 PM
Overall, Tom has some great ideas but there are a couple problems. It takes more than what they could learn in a year to pass the citizenship test. That test needs to be part of receiving citizenship. The other part is they must learn marketable skills to support themselves and whoever they bring with them.

I doubt that the fringe part of the political parties on either side would support these common sense ideas. The Republicans will have a fit that it might lead to citizenship while the Democrats a fit over actual requirements for immigrants to stay here.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 02/18/19 03:31 PM
Nothing even remotely like that will happen, but its a positive input I offer instead of just more complaining.

The applicant, in this scenario I'm thinking, would be under a contract of resolution, not time.
Part of the process would be teaching the applicant skills for productive living and life management if they don't already possess a skill.
That process would be effected by on job training and professional guidance.
They would get paid for their work and pay taxes on the money and pay for their living expenses just like US citizens have to do.
The only difference being until they reach citizenship status, they are in a controlled community with freedom restrictions.
US freedom has been earned by our citizens/soldiers that gave their lives for it. Our freedom isn't free.
You want US freedom, you have to earn it. You have to be willing to dedicate yourself to it.
It could be considered a restricted school community or it could be considered a prison. If they consider it a prison, go back home. They obviously don't want to be US citizens they want to be part of their own nation using out national freedom and rights without dedication or commitment to our nation.

Their citizenship would depend on how long it takes them to be a productive member of our society. Then, as US citizens, they are released into the population, likely with the tools and savings needed to become responsible members of the community.

Some won't like it, won't be able to make the change. To those people, we just tell them to go back home because they didn't really want to be US citizens in the first place.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 02/18/19 03:48 PM
Another thing that could be considered is providing this type of training community in each state.
Part of the 'program' would be to bus the applicants to the state in which they wish to live.
This way, the benefits of jobs get spread out to each state for maintaining the program.
It would put US citizens to work in every state, not just the border states.
It would provide tax revenue for every state.
It would provide voters for every state.
The applicants would be 'conditioned' for living in the states they wish to reside in. They would be acclimatized, taught state specific laws and interact with the communities of that state.

You become an applicant for USA citizenship.
You choose where in the country you want to live.
You look at the billet and if there is room, you get accepted to that state for citizenship training.
If the state of choice is unavailable, you make a choice of a different state or to go back home and wait till the billet for that state opens.
Once accepted, you sign the contracts and start the proceedure.

When our citizens join a college or the military its almost the same thing.
You decide where and how you go about it.
The only difference is because you are already a US citizen, you already have the rights and freedom granted by citizenship.
In the case of the applicants, they have to earn those rights because freedom isn't free.

oldkid46's photo
Mon 02/18/19 04:58 PM

Another thing that could be considered is providing this type of training community in each state.
Part of the 'program' would be to bus the applicants to the state in which they wish to live.
This way, the benefits of jobs get spread out to each state for maintaining the program.
It would put US citizens to work in every state, not just the border states.
It would provide tax revenue for every state.
It would provide voters for every state.
The applicants would be 'conditioned' for living in the states they wish to reside in. They would be acclimatized, taught state specific laws and interact with the communities of that state.

You become an applicant for USA citizenship.
You choose where in the country you want to live.
You look at the billet and if there is room, you get accepted to that state for citizenship training.
If the state of choice is unavailable, you make a choice of a different state or to go back home and wait till the billet for that state opens.
Once accepted, you sign the contracts and start the proceedure.

When our citizens join a college or the military its almost the same thing.
You decide where and how you go about it.
The only difference is because you are already a US citizen, you already have the rights and freedom granted by citizenship.
In the case of the applicants, they have to earn those rights because freedom isn't free.
I could strongly support your ideas!!! Flush it out a little more and start a petition with the government. I would love to sign it!!!!!

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 02/18/19 05:47 PM


Another thing that could be considered is providing this type of training community in each state.
Part of the 'program' would be to bus the applicants to the state in which they wish to live.
This way, the benefits of jobs get spread out to each state for maintaining the program.
It would put US citizens to work in every state, not just the border states.
It would provide tax revenue for every state.
It would provide voters for every state.
The applicants would be 'conditioned' for living in the states they wish to reside in. They would be acclimatized, taught state specific laws and interact with the communities of that state.

You become an applicant for USA citizenship.
You choose where in the country you want to live.
You look at the billet and if there is room, you get accepted to that state for citizenship training.
If the state of choice is unavailable, you make a choice of a different state or to go back home and wait till the billet for that state opens.
Once accepted, you sign the contracts and start the proceedure.

When our citizens join a college or the military its almost the same thing.
You decide where and how you go about it.
The only difference is because you are already a US citizen, you already have the rights and freedom granted by citizenship.
In the case of the applicants, they have to earn those rights because freedom isn't free.
I could strongly support your ideas!!! Flush it out a little more and start a petition with the government. I would love to sign it!!!!!

Y'know as kind as that is, I am not the one to tackle these things.
There are many very highly intelligent and capeable people that could do a better job if they decided to try.
This was not my first proposed solution.
While my other ideas all make sense, to me, having the idea and putting it into action are very different things.
Consider this as me tossing a ball that someone else might run with.
I might sow many seeds but whether they take and grow is up to forces beyond my control.
If you like this idea, go ahead and run with it, make it better.
Then give it to someone else to carry for awhile, let it grow and become more than it was when it started.

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