To me it just defies all logic to even consider the possibility of flinging the borders wide open and start allowing everyone Under the Sun to come flooding in without checking to see if they're wanted criminals first.

Will America ever wake up from their slumber?

The numbers seem to have changed a little! From the Border Patrol: The first 4 months o FY2019 = 201,497 apprehensions. At that pace, I would think FY2019 totals in the area of 500k to 700k.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

And you really can't figure out why apprehensions are down? Let me make easier for you: They know they won't be getting in so they stopped coming in huge caravans like they did under Bush and Obama.

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year. That is an additional 1,000 per year in taxes to a LEGAL family.

Why is it my responsibility to pay for the medical needs of foreigners when I can't even afford health insurance for my own family? We shell out 135 BILLION every year to 12.5 illegal immigrants and another 4.2 million children of theirs.

Why are we housing the criminals of other countries? They are 22% of ALL PRISONERS now.

And how about all the crimes committed by the ones who keep coming back?

I don't really think you care about them, btw. I think you only want a reason to complain about Trump. There are better issues you could choose, because he is 100% correct on this. He was elected to do this and he better keep his promise, no matter how much you disrespect the voters.

Yeah, the hypocrisy is astounding isn't it? What gets me is that none of their arguments hold water and yet they still cling to their illogical, irrational beliefs, mantras and narratives. I'd say the brainwashing of America was nearly complete about the time Trump took office and began revealing the truth.
I've been here on and off for years and as you can see I have never really participated in any of the forums. Do the moderators ever jump in when people start hurling racist insinuations Etc?

Well there would be far fewer blacks in this country if it wasn't for slavery, and therefore many of these people who like to bring up slavery would actually not even exist if it weren't for slavery. However if you consider the pay and living conditions of some of these illegal emigrants it isn't all that better than some of the slaves. Honestly the illegal emigrants probably cost the US less than the legal ones that live in poverty and receive money from programs and assistance. Clearly there is a wide range of people here illegally, while a small portion commit violent crimes, others petty crimes, it comes down to ALL of them are guilty of a crime just by being here illegally. That doesn't mean I still don't enjoy the fruit and vegetables they pick, enjoy the food they cook for me at restaurants, or their skills doing landscaping and roofing. The problem is we can't have the best of both worlds.

Why is it MY responsibilty to pay (with increased property taxes, etc.) for a football stadium I will never use?

Why is it MY responsibilty to pay taxes/ have my taxes go for things I despise and am against?

Give the people already here social security numbers, therefore, they can be taxed on their income, and *your* problem/ gripe goes away..

Pick an arbitrary date...say..January 2019.
If you can prove you were here by that date and haven't commited any crime...then give them a social security number, and start collecting taxes from them..
Then start a program from *that* date with the new people to work on the imnmigration program/ problem.

Hispanics, as a group, have the lowest crime statistic..

I don't recall the uproar a couple decades ago when all the Asian gangs were such a problem in different cities (Nashville being one of them).

My other comment was about principle...
It was a "crime" to harbor a runaway or assist them in getting north..
They had no rights here, therefore weren't legal citizens.
Yet abolitionsist saw the way they were living/ being treated, and decided to help them.

Period.
If you want to make more of that than what i said..that's on ypou.

It's time to forget about slaves and what happened over 100 years ago. Its time to focus on keeping our country safe. I don't care if its Hondurans or Swiss people, we need to keep known criminals out of our country. We have enough home-grown bad people without these huge caravans.

we can do better, but will never eliminate violence and crime. Scapegoating the border is only a distraction and a band aid to true attempts at curbing either one substantially.

Well there would be far fewer blacks in this country if it wasn't for slavery, and therefore many of these people who like to bring up slavery would actually not even exist if it weren't for slavery. However if you consider the pay and living conditions of some of these illegal emigrants it isn't all that better than some of the slaves. Honestly the illegal emigrants probably cost the US less than the legal ones that live in poverty and receive money from programs and assistance. Clearly there is a wide range of people here illegally, while a small portion commit violent crimes, others petty crimes, it comes down to ALL of them are guilty of a crime just by being here illegally. That doesn't mean I still don't enjoy the fruit and vegetables they pick, enjoy the food they cook for me at restaurants, or their skills doing landscaping and roofing. The problem is we can't have the best of both worlds.

Why is it MY responsibilty to pay (with increased property taxes, etc.) for a football stadium I will never use?

Why is it MY responsibilty to pay taxes/ have my taxes go for things I despise and am against? (and there are quite a few)

Give the people already here social security numbers, therefore, they can be taxed on their income, and *your* problem/ gripe goes away..

Pick an arbitrary date...say..January 2019.
If you can prove you were here by that date and haven't commited any crime...then give them a social security number, and start collecting taxes from them..
Then start a program from *that* date with the new people to work on the imnmigration program/ problem.

Hispanics, as a group, have the lowest crime statistic..

I don't recall the uproar a couple decades ago when all the Asian gangs were such a problem in different cities (Nashville being one of them).

My other comment was about principle...
It was a "crime" to harbor a runaway or assist them in getting north..
They had no rights here, therefore weren't legal citizens.
Yet abolitionsist saw the way they were living/ being treated, and decided to help them.
Period.
If you want to make more of that than what i said..that's on ypou.

I realize it's easier to act like you "care" about the (presumed) poor immigrants who want a better life, but what you're actually saying is that you don't care what happens to innocent people that live here.

The facts are that legal immigrants are welcome. Criminals don't do legal.

But you support criminals, which explains why you'd listen to the Democrats and think they "care" about you. All they want is their power back and they will use lies on you or anyone else to get it

Someday soon you will regret believing them. I can wait.

;-)

Well, I'll be the first to admit that the American people shouldn't be taxed for building or maintaining football stadiums nor should we be taxed for anyting that the majority of the American people are against but you completely evaded the question regarding the concept of American taxpayers picking up the medical tab for illegal aliens! How can anyone possibly justify that?

Then, instead of apologizing for your offensive analogy comparing law-abiding American citizens who merely want to prevent a massive influx of criminals into this country, with those who captured and return slaves to their owners during the Civil War, you're actually going to try to defend that position? You don't have a leg to stand on and I'll be the first one to point that out to you! It's not a crime nor is it an act of racism to keep criminals from entering our country!

but you completely evaded the question regarding the concept of American taxpayers picking up the medical tab for illegal aliens! How can anyone possibly justify that?

yes, and once, enslaved africans were welcome but those trying to be free werent. they were criminals who didnt 'do' legal. Fortunately, people cared about them too though.

Do you have any idea how slavery started legally in America?

it was the House of Burgess, the nation-state of Virginia in Newport News in 1704

A BLACK MAN, Anthony Johnson, who came to America as an indentured servant, had some indentured servants who were black and petioned the government to make them chattle property because he was about to die and wanted them to continue working for his family estate.

This proves there were many free black men in the beginning of America. NOT living as slaves, able to own property and petition the government.

So please....stop with all the attempts to guilt white people. It's a lazy substitute for facing reality.




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What I support are people trying to survive and do no harm, and people who need a little help. The labels others place upon them dont make them any less human to me, and therefore no less worth caring about.