If you check you will see the economy grew every year under Obamas time in office .
More fake news from the right

Obama administration did Nothing to benefit US economy.

The democrat's are putting all of their bets on the 2020 election. If they can create continuous accusations against Trump and republicans their hoping to hold the house, win the senate and the presidency. Then watch the liberal socialist laws come hot and heavy.

no doubt it is true for some .like some republicans hoped (successfully) to create continuous accusations against Hilary to win in 2016.

but its a repeated stretch that the democrats as a whole are focusing energy and time into undocumented people for the sake of votes.

Eventually those illegals will contribute votes primarily to democrats under the current laws. Each child they create is legally a US citizen and in 21 years will be able to vote. This may seem like a long time but in reality it is 5 Presidential terms. We are currently in the 3rd term since Obama was first elected!

and if those children are US citizens and living here like any other citizen that comes of age, why care if they decide to vote?

One of their political goals will be to legalize their parents who initially violated our laws.

Because of their background from their parents they will be more socialist and less likely to actually think about what they are supporting. You are an example of this - you take a progressive attitude on most things and you talk about some of your experiences that created your attitude. Sometimes you do not understand the consequences of what you support and the affect on those with a different set of experiences. We have a democracy which requires understanding and compromise to be successful; lately, we have been unable to do that.

that is alot of assumption about people. But okay. I will play along.

I am an expert on the topic of Me after all. Are you assuming my 'progressive' attitude came from my parents? Are you assuming kids grow up to be duplicates of their parents opinions and do not form views of their own or follow their own experiences? are you assuming kids are ONLY influenced by parents as they grow up?

interesting.

Yes, I do talk about my experiences, because I feel it is more productive than assuming about others, even though in the grand scheme assumptions are natural as well.

yes, I feel most people DO form opinions based on, of many things, their experiences. however, not everyone has opinions that are ONLY about their experience. Some are also educated and apply logic and research and reason ALONG with experiences.

I am open to understanding, which is why I read and consider other opinions. But I still am curious why I should be concerned about a US citizen deciding to vote, or why I should feel in 'danger' just because of the document someone may or may not have. Lord knows, I am well aware that I am probably driving amongst many unlicensed and uninsured drivers every day, but if they know how to drive, I dont feel any 'danger' at all.

I don't know why these people ranting about "illegals" aren't the LEAST bit cncerned about the many thousands that came here through airports or on a ship...and have *long* overstayed their Visas....making them illegal too..

Oh...probably because they are not "brown" people...


http://www.npr.org/2019/01/10/683662691/where-does-illegal-immigration-mostly-occur-heres-what-the-data-tell-us

Race or color has nothing to do with it. The only positive thing about overstays is they were at least honest, somewhat reputable people when they first entered the country; we know who they are. They should be arrested, charged, and deported the same way as someone who came across the border illegally. They are both illegal to be in the country.

I'm assuming your progressive attitudes came partially from your parents during your growing up years in addition to your personal experiences. Had you grown up in an upscale community with professional parents, your outlook and attitude would probably be different. Yes, I know it is a big assumption on my part as I don't know you personally.

As for education in the US, that is another big issue! Do you realize that the vast majority of teachers and professors are indoctrinated into the progressive mindset? How can we expect them to provide an education that is balanced and explores both sides of any topic? Why are so many college campuses closed to people with conservative ideas?

I do feel concerned driving among those unlicensed and uninsured drivers. I would put them in jail. If they are involved in an accident, who is going to pay for the damage they cause? Certainly not them or their insurance company!!!

Amen oldkid , 100%right.

well, I do consider my parents 'professional', my dad was an electrical engineer at Chrysler and my mom a Finance Manager with the Cleveland Post Office. I actually disagree with them in alot of areas, and agree in others. I was influenced by them, but ALSO using my own logic and experience and education. And I as I said before, my concern when I am driving is more about what other drivers DO than what document they have. Im more concerned by a licensed driver who causes an accident than an unlicensed one who does not.

in other words, documents are paper but they dont define actual character or skill or knowledge or contribution, or at least the absence of them do not define the absence of any of the above.

people less likely to think about what they are supporting, has little to do with what documents they hold, and more to do with how they value logic over emotionalism, and research over stereotypes.

I had the opposite growing up experience. My father was an auto mechanic in the 50s and my mom a homemaker. I also disagreed with my parents politically as they were staunch democrats. My experience and education showed me that there are 2 different type of people in the world. Those that are ready to do for themselves the best they can and those who expect others to do for them. In the end, they are winners and losers. Sorry but I have no time for those losers in society.

Documents such as licenses and insurance do define character, skill, and knowledge. Those that have the documents demonstrated they possess those attributes. Do you expect your Doctor to have a medical degree and a medical license? Do you expect your lawyer to be accepted by the bar association? If you hire someone to work on your house do you expect them to be licensed and have insurance? I certainly do!!

documents define character only so far as willingness to go through a certain process to meet a certain standard some one has determined, usually only proof that at least a minimum has been met.

When we are talking about the amount of knowledge necessary to practice medicine, compared to driving a car, I think it is an apples to oranges comparison. I am a US Citizen, by birth, not because of merit, intelligence, achievement or anything else. The document saying Im a citizen says nothing except where I was born, lack of it would tell only as much, in my opinion.

Those that dont have documents are not demonstrating lack of possession of anything but having went through a pre determined process of measuring the meeting of a standard. There are doctors who had Cs in school and doctors who had As, there are nurses that Id much rather have caring for me than some doctors. The paper proves someone met someone elses test of meeting a minimal standard. Beyond that, the proof is in the actual 'pudding' as they say.

"We had a talk given by the border patrol at our park today. Amazing statistics. In our sector (1 of 4) 137,308 people crossed illegally last year. Alien flow was 6,200 a week in our neighborhood."

My sister, who winters in Arizona, posted this today. Those numbers would be the illegals that were actually caught. I wonder how much tax payer money was spent in apprehension, processing, and deporting them? Could a $5B wall be a good value that pays for itself many times over?

Maybe we should just stop enforcing our immigration laws on the southern border and trust the Mexican government to ensure only honest, reputable people are allowed in Mexico in the first place. We mostly do that with Canada along parts of our northern border although the number of people is substantially less.

Some of these posts here really sound a bit like a person's worth is only based on their intelligence, wallet/ bank account...

Sounds a bit like the beliefs in Nazi Garmany, about getting rid of "undesireables"..those who they viewed as "less than"..however one chooses to define that.

Scary.

Yet I bet these same people view abortion is wrong, because it is a human life and...as such, is valuable and worthy of protection.

FWIW...my dad's parents were country club people, my grandfather worked for BB & T bank.
My dad started his own business (printing) in the early 70's...
His parent peobably voted a straight Republican ticket...
My dad?
He voted Democratic, and we had several converesations about who he was douing better under...
I remmeber him saying he hoped thing improved under Clinton (back in 1992), because they were sucking petty bad business-wise when Bush was in office (for him and his associates anyway..
He was involved in many organizations (as a way to get business contacts), so, I'm sure he knew what he was talking about.

MY opinions and feeling come from my own observation and research, knowing people from all walks of life and various countries (my mom was an immigrant from Germany, wasn't a citizen until several yeas after comibng here with my dad)..
I observe the human condition, and am ~all for~ whatever makes life better for the most people...
Not for an elite group of white people who can look down on the poor and POC and disabled as "less than"...

Jesus said "whatever you do unto the least of these..."
And many other things..
Plus, he had no love for the rich, elite rulers.....something most Republicans who claim to be "Chjristain" evidently forget.

not all problems are a 'CRISIS'

CRISIS is usually something that is ESCALATING



there is nothing besides death that eliminates the opportunity or temptation to make choices that are wrong or illegal or immoral to someone somewhere, we have rules and laws to set standards of our expectations and consequence to encourage the meeting of those standards, but no law, or wall, or anything else is going to make any choice an 'extinct' one that is no longer made ... the best we can do is keep those choices at minimal

our current border and laws are already doing that, as seen by the DECREASE already in process when it comes to people 'crossing' the border ... 5 billion would maybe cut some costs, but it is not necessary due to any CRISIS, and not everythign is about costs, obviously this shutdown has already cost more than 5 billion, and many other things we invest in cost much more than that, and the lack of investment in other things costs more

its about a balance, As bluegrass said, life is not ALL about the money, sometimes human investment is worth more in the long run than financial.

I do not make judgements about a person's worth based on their race, gender, intelligence or bank account. I judge on their character and what they have accomplished in their lives. An honest, hard working individual, without regard to their job or social status, is always worthy of our respect and support.

It is not my responsibility or that of the government to make anyone's life better. It is my and their responsibility to provide the tools and opportunities for every citizen to make and have a better life. For those who won't use those tools or take advantage of those opportunities, the life they have is of their own making!!