I know that I'm opening a can of worms . . .



. . . but I'm going to say it anyway.


Originally, the word Lady was used to describe a woman who was a member of aristocracy. She wasn't employed because her father or her husband paid for all of her needs and wants.

I am sick and tired of hearing/reading non-aristocrat women complain that single men won't initiate a date or completely pay for a date or provide transport for a date or etc, etc.

Gender equality means that both genders have the same responsibilities as well as the same rights. Thus, single men and single women share the responsibility of initiating a date or paying for a date or providing transport for a date or etc, etc.

Single women of the 21st Century aren't helpless damsels.

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No we aren’t helpless damsels. I have initiated dates and paid for dates. I don’t see a problem with that.

I can tell you that the equality that I want, is same opportunities as men, same pay as men.

But I still expect to be treated like a lady. I like a man to open doors and hold my coat and act like a gentleman when I’m with him.

i was just goen type out a lot of stuffs ,
but now
hhhmmm
k so who walks now on the side with the cars ? (most people wont get that , for the one's that do Thank You)
who opens the door ?
who takes off there coat so the other may have warmth ?
puts there coat in a puddle so the other may have dry journey ? (i myself have never done that , i all ways just asked , then picked the lady up and carried her over it)
and many other things i dont feel like typen out

thiken
gives
me a head ache lol

All people deserve respect based on their behavior. None deserve special consideration because of their gender. We should help each other when the opportunity arises and the other needs the help. I should help a woman (or man) with a long dress or coat into the car and make sure they and their attire is safely in the car. I should help someone who is unstable in their walking or balance. I should open and hold the door when your arms are full as you should for me. In most everyday situations I am not going to make a special effort or pay your way simply because you are female! You are or should be capable of those things for yourself.

I think, in most situation, men should take care of women and pay for their demands like a gentlemen. For first date, men pay for the bill leaving a great impression on women, but if the women don' t actually like the men, she shouldn't go the second date and want men to pay for you again. If she does without honest, she is the worm like you say.

Meh.

The social "revolutions" of the last century were only called that by second rate journalists. They didn't qualify as real revolutions, in any sense of the word.

More than anything else, they were NOT the result of the ENTIRE whatever (race, gender, religious affiliation etc) all unifying, and declaring a list of specific changes that they ALL demanded.

Men who complain that ALL women don't act as though they were on the front lines of the Feminist movement, when it comes to dating protocols, are in my observation, the ones sticking their heads purposely where reality doesn't shine in.

Not only is it false that ALL women demanded to be treated a DIFFERENT way than before, it isn't even true that the people leading the 'rebellion" demanded strict equality of every detail.

What the social "revolts" of that era were about, was one central thing: to try to put an end to everyone being REQUIRED to obey the one set of social rules. In the case of the women, the goal was NEVER a demand that all women now behave like males, buy their own food and so on. It was that they would no longer be RESTRICTED socially, to playing that one subservient secondary reactive role.

That's it.

Might as well pretend that the American Revolution was fought to make sure that no one from here EVER AGAIN visited England, or spoke with a British accent.

Sheesh.

The real problem is when the same woman demands the equality but still wants to be treated special because she is a "lady".

As I've said before if a man ask you out he should pay or if it's a friendly meeting each pay. If I ask a man I would pay.

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Good luck with your dreams!! If you feel that you should be treated special, then I expect to be treated as the gentleman in charge and your wishes are second to mine. I may or may not ask for your input or opinion. As of today, you have equality of opportunity if not privilege; you also have the right to receive equal pay for any job where men and women do the same job. Actual pay should only be different based on skills and performance.

At no point did either lady ask for special treatment .Lots of females have the same jobs as men and do not receive the same pay. As for your very sexist comments shame on you. I'm not sure you know what year it is but it's 2019. If you are making the assumption that females are small and weak well most aren't. We can do most things men do the only difference is we don't let our ***** dictate us or our actions.

"I expect to be treated as the gentleman in charge and your wishes are second to mine. I may or may not ask for your input or opinion."

Wow...that sure doesn't sound like treating someone as your "equal"..

No women *I* know ask to be treated like a princess (I wouldn;t kniw them if they did, I avoid that type)..
They just ask to be treated with courtesy, respect, and decency....you know...like you should treat ANY person...

Re: pay

Years ago, (when i was 18)...I worked for Service Merchandise, in their warehouse..
Many people did out of High SChool...(it, and Baird Ward)

I got friendly with a guy who was hired the same day I was, did the same job *I* did....pulling orders, tagging them, etc..
We literally worked side-by-side....and had been hired through a temp agency (which was how *all* the workers there had been).
SO, me and this guy go one Friday to get our checks from the temnp agency....we are in the car before driving to the bank...he says "hey..I got a 10 cent an hour raise.."

I loooked at *my* check....nope.

So, I got back in and ask to see the person in charge, and ask why *he* got one and I didn't...considering all things were equal (same job, length of time, etc.)

She said wioth a ~straight face~ that men needed more money because they have wives/ girlfriends/ children to look after.


That isn't right, but..when you are 18, you really don't know what legal course of action to take...
So, I just stuck it out (it was seasonal) and found another job ASAP.

Exactly! Thank you Queenie, very well said!

I like having doors open for me, but that doesn't mean I expect it or can't do it myself. I like being taken care of, but I am totally capable of taking care of myself.

I like being treated special but that doesn't mean I think I'm special or above anyone. I just enjoy letting a man be a man and in return I enjoy treating him with respect, appreciation, and doing things for him.... like cooking and letting him open the door for me because he feels the desire to do so. There's nothing wrong or weak about that. I don't feel the need to say, "I can open my own door".

If I were to have a flat tire on the side of the road and some man stopped to help me, I'm not going to pull out the "equal opportunity" card and tell him to go away. That doesn't make me a helpless damsel, it acknowledges the fact that men have more physical strength and I'm not going to say no and hurt myself unnecessarily. If a man weren't to show up... I would and could change my own tire.

Equal rights started because men got paid more for doing the same job regardless of how well they did. I know a lady who was the assistant to the CEO of a University, she did far more than some of the men in the department and got paid less. That still happens today.

I don’t need luck, I found someone who treats me like a lady, asks my opinion and respects it, opens doors for me and knows that I am as capable at most things as he is. We do things for each other because we like to and don’t have to. In A good relationship those are the things you do out of caring and respect.
Your opinions show that you are a very selfish person. It’s obvious that you’ve been hurt but you need to fix yourself before you get involved with anyone. It’s not fair to bring your biases into any type of relationship. Everyone is different and should be treated as such.

Right?
Guys always give me that crap about "good luck finding what you are looking for"..blah blah..

Dude, I *had* what I am looking for...TWICE.

So, step off with your sour grapes and go bother someone else.

Obviously some of you don't understand a IF - THEN statement. There also seems to be a couple that state they are fully capable but still EXPECT the behaviors of a gentleman. When you EXPECT, you do not deserve. The statement by Bluegrass referencing the wage difference when 2 people are doing the same job equally is highly illegal.

2 concepts I really have a problem with:

equal pay for imagined equal work

a casual outing where we are dressed the same but you expect me to pay your way and open your door, and pull out your chair - not going to happen. If you stand by the car door waiting for me to open it for you, you will be standing there as I drive away.

I respect a woman who is my senior or one who is a competent, self confident woman as I would a man in similar circumstances. The rest, both men and women, I have no time for!!! I am not someone else's keeper.

It must be so sad to be that miserable and to forget what a gentleman really is. I wish you luck in your loneliness,

You live your life as you choose and I will do the same with mine. My life is not as miserable or lonely as you imagine it to be.