Thanks

Beats me.
How are you defining "modern?"
Just by the dictionary?...Then yes.


How is money controlling "us?"
Money is a tool, a store of value and/or labor.
Might as well ask "are we 'modern' people when letting construction workers and grocery stores control us?" seeing as we tend to live by the utility they provide.


Modern to what time?


If by "money" you mean something more like "tools and the system in which they are evolving and making lives different within a generation through knowledge generation stemming from generational knowledge vs inherited knowledge" then, sure, I'd agree with something like that.

I would place the emotional bogeymaning of the term/idea/tool/artifact "money" closer to an animalistic response.


How do "we" think "we" do?
Implies that all human beings think the same thing.



So what if it does?


You don't really say anything about why it's bad to be an animal, or better to be more than an animal.
At best you imply "money" or at least control by "money" is "bad."

Why is it all either an animal or better/more than an animal?
What's wrong with being a better animal?

Is it just negative emotional association? Like some people don't like being called "fat" or "immigrant" or "racist" or "democrap" or "repukelican" or "middle class" or any of a number of labels.

Is it wanting to avoid falling under any label that anyone else creates wanting control over how you define and label yourself and demanding others adhere and understand exactly what that means or something?

"Drifts" aren't very helpful.

We are not modern at all, we are stupid. We have polluted all the seas, and dried some up. Polluted all the air and land. Eat polluted foods. And our livelihoods and 'culture' rely on polluting industries.
Far from modern.

notbeold (and anyone else that doesn't have a short attention span)...

Two videos that sum this up quite well..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGMYdalClU

This one is about consumerism..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG8bNDw6Ftc

I wonder what's wrong with money? Nothing.
It doesn't even have an energy. It's just coins & paper. The only thing that gives it energy, or that attaches energy to it, are humans. Meaning this can either be negative or positive.
For successful people it is positive, they also have no problem generating money, not even when they lose all they got. They can just make more. Because they don't believe in BS stories like what you're spreading here.

Non-successful people feel money is negative and spread negative stories about it, talk and think and feel negatively about it. This is why they never get more money, success, abundance, love.

There is a large group of people in power, the ones with real power in the world, who use money to manipulate people.
They keep us in fear, thoughts of lack, thoughts of not enoughness, thoughts of not BEING good enough.
Church is part of that btw.
Even in spiritual circles you have this false belief that money is bad, we shouldn't adhere to the material and so on. Utter BS.

We came to this planet to live glorious abundant lives, to CREATE not to suffer. The latter is what church, religion, and this group in power wants us to believe, and have successfully made us believe for thousands of years.
This is now changing.
You can choose to change the way you feel and think and talk about money. You can choose to not be attached to this old negative collective field concerning money anymore, that which was created by the ones in power and church/religion to keep us small and not believing in ourselves and our greatness.

What sets us apart from animals is that we ARE different, we are NOT animals and have a different purpose on this planet.
We can learn, adept, evolve and grow from how our ancestors used to be. We can individually choose to do things differently, we can reason, we can learn other languages and so on.
Animals can NOT do that. A lion will not one day decide, "I want to live in Europe, I'm gonna move! I'm gonna learn Swedish and live in Sweden and raise a family there!"
Animals cannot even change their mating rituals. In general they still do what they did hundreds of years ago.
Each male from a species will behave a very similar way, within the perimeters of the males of that species.
Humans do not. We can chose to do something entirely different.
There's female spiders who eat their male after mating. They've done this for hundreds of years, and will keep doing that for another few hundred more.

I guess this got lengthier than the OP's, lol.

But to finish it of:
Money is LOVE. You can not have more money than the amount you love yourself and value yourself. If you don't, then you likely don't have a lot, nor will you ever get a lot, and if you do you likely end up losing it all again, or lose even more than you obtained.
That's why people who win the lottery cannot hold on to it.
People with the right attitude, who DO believe in themselves and their self-worth DO make money.
Like Trump. He lost all his millions, within a few years he was a millionaire again. And now president of the USA.
Why? Cos he believes in himself, loves himself, and knows his worth. (no I don't like him, but he does have this).

Everyone can attract more money, you just gotta change the way you feel, think, talk about it. And work on how you feel about yourself. If you feel you aren't worthy, it cannot come, or not stay.
There's plenty of money for everyone, and if not, there's more that will be made. Like there's more money on the planet now than hundreds of years ago. We don't ever run out. It's not like someone has to lose some for you to get it. THere's no shortage. The only obstacle is believing there's shortage.
And believing money controls us. It doesn't, well, unless you allow it to.
It's a simple choice really. Nothing and no one can manipulate you unless you allow it/them to. Goes for money as well.
So if you OP feel you are controlled by money, it may be time to have a good look at your image of self, your confidence and self-love levels and worthiness....

Oh, and as for being modern..

I believe so, yes. For the first time in thousands of years we're moving towards the Divine beings we were meant to be. Was about time too!
We haven't been this far in our evolution / ascension in a long long time. Most people don't see that, but we've established a critical mass around 2000-2011, so it doesn't matter so much anymore now. The masses will wake up at some point. Something that is already happening and I don't believe this can be stopped anymore, although the old system is kicking and fussing and putting up a fight as it goes under.

Maybe I'm going off-topic, or maybe I'm not based on the OP's intent, but...

East2West -- I think you're just misunderstood, so I'll offer my opinion of you.

I think if we were to meet in real life, you and I would get along fine as friends. We may have differences in opinions, but I think you're more respectful of others than some believe.

In fact, I think you would like a job where you got to teach people how to manage their money better, like a financial advisor. Because you would like to help people to who are willing to help themselves.

I am trying to understand what this is ... about money controls us ... in some way ... speaking ab0uot the USA ... we have been given bills for other services and if you do not have that $ then sometimes you can not afford food or the priority thing we use ... not what we may want but to survive ...


as far as war ... that has and will continue... so long as they get something they want from one another ... an that is out of our control ...surely we disagree... but they know its a money maker so will never end ...been in wars that have been going on so long we can't even count the yrs...


if being modern is buying into all of that ... sure there are some heads in their *****


I will have to say this is the first time in my life... I have not lived with anyone ... and say it is hard keeping things together ...
but I think of what kind of man my father was ... this kinda keeps me going a little ...


I live in the country ... I have to count on myself for safety ...
or anytime I have to go out ... its a different world now ...

I live moderately... was raised like that ... I have done things no one else has ... I have had what others have not had ... but that does not make me selfish ... i am still humble and thankful for what I do have ... I am not modern in the way of cell phones or all the things your tv and pc can do for you ... but you can say I am part modern ... I just have more knowledge then some ... when it comes to certain things ...not all ... but of knowing ...

As if in the beginning the Lord said "Let there Be Money"..I believe it's where people put their worth or allow themselves to put their worth...in man made coins and paper..and the material things it provides because that's the system that man has built so that we are imprisoned by all those things we feel we must have..or that which allows us to keep up with the times or our neighbors..we indeed do live within the matrix to keep us imprisoned in that created to keep us driving in our cars every morning to continue the production of our plastic world..

Brainwashed to believe in this created delusion of the world in which we live.What would your world be like if you had been able to create it.We were given the grandest things after our lives a world that provided all that we would ever need to sustain it..but others wanted more..so we wanted more ..so we made more and as our fake world pollutes the skies the rivers and destroys the homes of the creatures that share this world with us..we destroy the creation in the creation of more..as our waste kills all and one day kills us all we may come to the realization..that this was not how life was meant to be..but we were too busy too caught up in the manipulations of those who held the dollar in front of us like the donkey pulling the cart with the carrot dangling in front of it's face ..always moving in the direction the driver of the cart would have us go..Never going where we wanted to but where we were directed
to..

In my opinion the Indians had it right ..and we can see what has been done to them so that we could eventually... create our plastic.. World of More..

That's what those two videos I posted were about, tombraider...

You should check them out.

Nothing is wrong with money. Itis the Love of money that is evil.

I am in control of my money. .

Modern, eh?
Let me laugh a bit

I don't see what's so modern or civilised about
War
Perpetual poverty
The killing of the unborn
The killing of the living
Child trafficking
Organ trafficking
Persecution
Assassinations
Corruption
Legal theft
Slavery
Rape of women, men, children, animals...
Rape of Nature
Poisoning of our environment
Rempant injustice
Willful confusion of the masses
Propaganda on a planetary scale
And on
And on
And on...

Modern, hahahaha!!
Civilised, bwahahaha!!

We are nought but barbarians who've learned to read and write in order to more efficiently kill our neighbors and steal their land, goods, wives and children.
Nothing has changed besides the fact that we can now kill by remote.

I'm not mocking anyone, nor arguing.

But, can anyone direct me me to the
station, that will accept 3 chickens as
payment for a tank of fuel?

Because, that, is where i'll fuel up, from
now on.

Matamoras

You might get even MORE than a tank of gas

OT

Speaking for myself, YES I am modern.

Is that you, Bumble??

these are sad realities of people who now consider ourselves 'civilized'.

Lordy, not sure where to begin with this?

Modern often implies that someone uses cutting edge technology and since most people use technology that is 5 or more years old, not many are modern. There are however, people that do stay current on technology and use it frequently. If you are not living in a 'smart house', riding in a self-driving 'smart car', ordering your groceries with your fridge, tele-commuting and doing virtual doctor visits you are NOT modern.

Being 'civilized' is something different.
Civilized means being "Civil".
Societies are based on being civilized.
Any two people in agreement is a society.
Even your family is a society.

While currently wealth is required to live modern, wealth is not required to be civilized.

We were not "PUT" on this Earth at all.
We have infested this planet by unchecked reproduction.

We are not "Cat People" because our genetic line is based on Simian DNA not Feline.

Human beings are social animals and thrive in groups.
There are a lot of animals that are social and also live in groups.
Since we all have individual consciousness, we are also able to live individually. We do not have what is called a 'Hive Mind" controlled by a queen, like ants. We control our own actions thru agreement with our chosen or inherited society.

Since civilization by definition is a civil society, all civilizations are established and maintained by learning from and leaning on one another.

There are many baby animals that do not learn from their mothers. That is just silly?

Yes, we are animals. Many people try to ignore or forget that fact but its not possible because being an animal is something that can't be changed by discipline, perception or denial.
The Taxonomy of Human Beings is


^^^
"Modern" Human as in the most current rendition.

Most of the people I know do not think of themselves in such a way that they are "So Proud of Being Human"
That's because there is no competition for the title.
Only humans are able to be humans.
Perhaps someday, when AI reaches singularity we might have some competition but on that day, we will be so far down the scale, there still won't be competition. A true singularity AI will surpass all human understanding in about a day.

Money doesn't differ us from animals. We are animals that use money.
Again, a silly statement.
Considering that human beings are around 2 million years old, we existed quite some time without a concept of wealth or money. We have 'looked' like we do now for about 800,000 years. The cradle of civilization is estimated between 5-8,000 years.
Money is a relatively "new thing" we have adopted.

Money is your new God. Not mine.

I'd prefer Juarez, as to there.