ain't gonna say sh!t-------

I could go on for pages and pages about A2 because this stage has been the primary fulcrum of study for myself and the entire PUA community for many years.
In the Mystery Method, A2 (the stage where you attract the other person to you) is all about demonstrating that you are a fun, high status guy. What is FUN? Being fun means not being afraid to play around - to NOT take the interaction so seriously as if you MUST make the right moves and say the wrong things or else you will LOSE HER... at the same time I'm telling you to act a certain way and make certain moves, right? Sound a little paradoxial? Yeah, pickup is chock full of paradoxes, but you will eventually understand that these paradoxes are necessary for it to work.
Anyway, cat-string theory, push/pull, and 2 steps forward 1 step back are all essentially the same thing. If you give some sort of sign that you are interested, throw in a sign that you might also be disinterested at the same time (still with a playful attitude) or directly after. It's called teasing and women do this all the time (and therefore get a VIP reservation in your mind all day, every day). You are essentially pushing your interest upon her and then pulling it back... or pushing her away from you and pulling her back... it's all the same concept. David Deangelo once said, "How do you make someone want something?" One of the answers was to "give them a little taste and then take it away." Attraction is all about desire.

"My all time favorite story is the one about the gorgeous girl sleeping with a guy and then, after sex, putting his ego on steroids by telling him, 'You're the best lover I've ever had.' Things, then, alas, take a self-esteem crushing turn for the worse when she undermines her praise with: 'Actually, you're the fourth best lover I've ever had.' The poor bastard is crushed and he is, as if he were a little worker bee, struggling to move up to the number three slot.

We can use these psychological mechanisms without being an A-hole or a Jerk. The key is to make it playful and funny. Your intention should never be to hurt a woman. Your goal is to only mess with her a bit. Do this and women will find you charming and attractive." -Swinggcat

this kinda reminds me of a self help seminar by Anthony Robbins? or "Players light" these so called secrets could work for those at the deep end of the gene pool I suppose.

I look at a lot of this stuff as "manipulation" by these new dating guru's , it's puts Women in a bad light concerning on how Men view them , the so called techniques imply that Women are naive cattle that can be pursued for sex.

I personally don't see it that way. Here's my two cents:
I think this stuff primarily teaches men how to speak the woman's language so that a "player" can walk up to a woman and metaphorically plop a chess board down in front of her and start playing together. This ISN'T about playing a game where the woman is one of the game pieces; she is a player, too.
Most men just aren't sure how to initiate the "game of love" and don't even know how to move these chess pieces around when a woman pushes a pawn forward 1 space and says "your move."

the "Player" already think they are smarter to begin with which makes them fall back on cheese ball manipulation tactics, the implication is still there the sooner people learn that there are no short cuts in nature the better daters they will be it is a law of averages in the dating world not some trick or technique one can pull from their players daters handbook they read before going out.

my point is that these are not cheese ball manipulation tactics; they are just ways to communicate effectively and elicit responses...that's what LANGUAGE is.

Some people have a low self esteem for whatever environmental or social reasons. People should just be themselves but they should try to be the best of who they are. Perception is a funny thing, the way one sees themselves is not always the way others see them. Here's one way of looking at it:

you do great on a test, some people say, oh the test was too easy and that's why I did well. Another might say, I worked hard therefore I deserve the great grade I got. It's the same outcome but a different perception. The person who says I worked hard and deserve the grade has a higher sense of worth, he feels like he crafts his own future with his own hands, that he controls his fate. The other person worries, what if the next test is harder. The inner "game" (or rather building self esteem if you'd like a more pc name for it) is all about shifting one's mindset from being someone who feels like the world dictates who they are to the person who tells the world who they are. It helps one focus on the good qualities that others probably already see in the person (or would if that person let them) and stop focusing on the bad qualities that they think they have.

Be yourself, but be the best part of yourself. If someone is sad and lonely and has a low sense of self worth, do you want them to continue to feel that way? That's just mean. Or do you want them to realize that they have great qualities and should be secure and let those traits shine?

Hey fill yer boots have fun with it I'm just calling it as I see it.

I was courting Babes and wining them and dinning them when you were wetting your daipers.

Thats great if you have a natural way with women. I do read some of the PUA stuff, mostly the "inner game" stuff. It's made me realize how to think in a more confident manner and feel better about myself. I'm not big on the whole building attraction or learning a bunch of "openings" and I don't care for all the terms but to each their own.

There are lots of guys who just aren't confident. If they could break that barrier, realize that they have great qualities and build their confidence they'd realize that they are great people and a lady would be lucky to have them then maybe they wouldn't feel the need to try to "win" a woman over with presents and doing a bunch of nice things to try to buy affection. They could just be themselves and be with a woman instead of getting a woman.

"Buddha told a parable in sutra:

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him.

Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!"

This description bothers me. Playful or not, expressing disinterest where none is present is dishonest behaviour. You might say that it's harmless or that it's necessary or that people do it all the time, so why worry? I don't swing that way, though. Maybe that's why I'm bad at flirtation, but I don't think that I want to do what you've described here.

Ever made a sarcastic comment?

And that is why Women will continue to respect You for who you are and not because You were playing some quickie pickup tactic.

What I described was far from a "quickie pickup tactic."

a little too close to Stachatory Rape for my liking.



on the last paragraph of your thread you go from kissing right in to getting sex? how is that not a quickie type tactic?

What? I didn't even describe ANY of the process in the Seduction stage. I only gave the content titles there.
The whole process takes discipline and internalization to master, just like any art. It ain't a quick fix.

I'm kinda weary of people who have an answer for everything, part of dating is understanding the word no ,upon inspection indeed it's another tactic for the so called "Art of seduction"



so cohersion her in to sex is the answer then?? or as you nonchalantly put it with a fancy label "S2" where I come from when a woman says that it means she doesn't want sex.

Sorry, I'm not here to discuss so much of the Seduction stage, but I will say that nothing about it involves coersion or force and is completely based upon consent.

oh pardon Me I thought you were a pick up artist but what ever?



again I'm just sayin

When I hear a Woman say those words to me it says She is uncomfortable any red blooded moral male by all means should stop , otherwise She wouldn't have brought it up.

I know what youre saying but LMR (last minute resistance) is a tricky concept that I'm not going to discuss in an environment like JSH. I don't feel that discussing real Seduction is appropriate here, that's all.