This is some of the funniest stuff I've read in a while. Thanks.

I signed up for one, but I don't remember which one. It was pretty small and didn't offer very much.

Yesterday in between my classes, I went over to Barnes and Noble and was reading part of an NLP book. Obviously I couldn't get through all of it, but it seems like the basic concept of NLP isn't to get others to do what you want. The author made it sound as if NLP is just to change what you want to what the other person is doing. That way, you give yourself the illusion that you're getting your way. That's a lot different than how Style describes Ross Jefferies and NLP in The Game. Then again, maybe it is different and the book I was reading is just garbage.

Chris Matthews deleted the comment I left on his myspace.

teach me old wise ones

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That's my advice...

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haha at first I was like "there's no way in hell I'd ever want to be on that overdramatized PUA-bastardizing show, no matter how much I liked watching it " but then I was like "Spoon totally made us Asians look bad and I could fix the Asian image up a bit..." then it said you needed to be 21 to audition. Damn.
Makes sense since most bars are friggin 21 and over. goddammit.

No offense intended. Half my heritage is counting its blessings.

That'd be a little unfair, don't you think? You'd have all of these guys that know little to nothing about PUA techniques versus you, who's been studying it for years. And then you'd have Mystery taking you even further. So where do you think Spoon is at now anyway? Joe D. is on getwomentoday.com explaining various PUA things. Last I heard, Brady and Kosmo were working with Mystery running bootcamps.

I agree with that statement, but from an entirely different point of view.
I think it is unfair to the average Asian. Chances are? They/ we don't need his somewhat exaggerated sense of self to represent them/ us... in the public eye.

Man, Spoon is a PUA now. Apparently JDog worked with him after the show was over. JDog introduced him to Ross Jefferies and they got him over his approach anxiety. Spoon makes special guest appreances at bootcamps.

I have a question for you gentlemen. From what I've seen, a lot of pickup relies on a combination of conversational rhythm and emotional momentum to fascinate a woman. In most cases, the intended result is physical intimacy.

As I've mentioned in the past, this is not an acceptable outcome for me. I appreciate the ability to approach a woman more confidently, but I have moral apprehension about using even marginally manipulative means to achieve physical intimacy (not even so much as a makeout.)

Suppose that instead of using pickup to entice a woman into physical intimacy, I wanted to entice her to do something else, like play a game of chess (or some equally improbable pursuit.) How much of pickup relies on sexual cues to maintain momentum? Or is asking how to use pickup to get a girl to play chess just trying to use the pickup tool in the wrong way?

Yes, you're absolutely right, but it's more like the natural result from the conversational and emotional flow you create leads to physical intimacy (or a tension to move toward physical intimacy) regardless of predetermined intent. That's just human nature.

I'll tell you right now that men who use pickup with a "manipulation" mentality usually fail. It's not the right way to go about things. A good PUA understands that you can only control yourself, not other people. It's just that if you can develop yourself in a beneficial way through the pickup arts, you will become your "best self," and expressing your best self will inevitably attract others to you (whether you like it or not

If you "express your best self" as I have stated previously (it's all about authenticity, man), women will "like you for who you are." If you express yourself with passion you will become a vortex that sucks other people into your reality, and they will LOVE you for it. They will LOVE the experience. If chess is something you really genuinely enjoy, women won't be able to help but to feel a desire to be a part of that joyful experience. Yes, they will want to play chess with you.

Things like the Mystery Method may seem like an artificial outline for the purposes of seduction on th surface level, but any aspiring PUA needs to look deeper to find the true meaning. The Mystery Method isn't an outline for manipulation; it's an outline that describes a natural process. Unfortunately, most guys are out of touch with that natural process of courtship, influenced by mind-f*cking social programming such as treating anything with long hair and boobs are something sacred and higher than yourself.

I was talking to one of my friends earlier today and he stated that he believed in chivalry. I said, "that's cool, but why?" Eventually, as we dug deeper, even though he told me that he would buy a drink for a girl he enjoyed the company of, he admitted that he would not buy a drink for one of his guy friends if he was enjoying company.

That's a double standard. It's not being true to yourself and therefore you are not "being yourself" by buying drinks for women. You are especially not "being your best self" if you aren't living in a fairly consistent alignment with your values.

I believe in chivalry, too, but in a different way, for different reasons. It's obvious that most guys follow a code of "chivalry" because they think it would impress women and therefore give them more of a chance to get laid, but I believe in expressing compassion for EVERYONE regardless of race, gender, economic standing, or any differences. This state of authentic consistency is something every PUA ultimately strives for. It's becoming "natural" at this art.

As you delve more into this discipline, ephraimglass, you'll get a better understanding of these concepts and you won't be so attracted to the perception that it's all about those concepts of "manipulation" that make pickup look so flashy and cool.

So, yes. You can use these "tricks" to get women to play chess with you. I hope you find a woman who can beat you, though. Then you'll know you found a special person that challenges you to grow and mature with your passions that make you who you are.

...unless you don't actually like chess. Lying bastard

When you get to the comfort stages, offer to teach her how to play chess. It's a good way to build rapport. But I've noticed you've mentioned chess in other posts. If you really want a girl that plays chess, try going to chess tournaments. Some very attractive women play chess and you'd probably be the most well equipped guy for pick-up in the entire place.

I play a little bit of chess, but I more typically use it as an exemplar of pursuits that are more intellectual and less romantic. I could as well want to discuss the Communist Manifesto, go shopping at a book store, or watch a political debate on TV.

(Regarding chess in particular, I'm not a very strong player. I play casually, but any serious player will beat me handily.)

ChiefPUA, I appreciate your response. I know that the steretype of manipulation is one that you probably have to address frequently. I think that you've provided a very solid reply, though.


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I find these points to be especially interesting. Although I DON'T elevate women in particular to a position higher than myself, I DO tend to elevate people, in general. This is one of the key mental blocks I've striven to overcome in the past year. I am getting better at addressing my false belief that I am weird or otherwise unfit to interact with "normal people." Recognizing that everybody else is probably at least as neurotic as I am and possibly moreso has helped me both to build confidence and also to take it in stride when I'm rejected. (Chances are, I'm not being rejected because the other person is supremely confident; I'm probably being rejected because the other person is rather insecure.)

The second point, though, touches upon a topic that I've thought about at some length. I, too, treat other people with respect, courtesy, and kindness, without regard for what I might stand to gain. Interestingly, I have found that people do not always react well to this kind of behaviour. I hypothesize two reasons for this. One, I believe that people are conditioned to assume that I have a selfish motivation for behaving that way. Two, I believe that people are so wound up in their patterns of defensive self-preservation that kindness feels dangerous to them because it exposes a vulnerability in a social armour/facade designed to deflect unkindness.

You're absolutely right. This is why "nice guys finish last" is such a common mantra throughout western culture.

This is why the "Attraction" phase is before the "Comfort" stage. In comfort - by the Mystery Method, that is - you're going to be exposing some vulnerabilities and connecting with her on a deeper level, but you have to earn each other's trust before any of that happens.

The Attraction phase serves to quickly and effectively push all the bullsh*t formalities to the side by plowing through a playful breaking-down of her fake mask. Since it's playful, though, it's nonthreatening.

The problem "nice guys" have is that they want to jump right to Comfort without playing the Attraction game to set the stage for it. It's like when a band starts playing their show without having advertised it, and without having set up the lights and monitors properly. It just won't be a good show because of these logistical failures, no matter how good of a band they are musically.

This analogy applies to you and other "nice guys" in many other ways, too. Plenty of "nice guys" are genuinely AWESOME people on the inside that any girl would LOVE to spend time with. However, they all set up a logistical failure for themselves by skipping the Attraction phase. tsk tsk.

If you got your hands on the Venusian Arts Handbook or The Mystery Method (same thing, basically), pay careful attention to the Attraction phase. Also check out David Deangelo if you haven't already. That guy is all about attraction.

Okay, let's talk about A2 - Female to Male Interest then. I broached the subject early on in the discussion and I ended up getting a little bit defensive over you advice. I hope that you can forgive me. I think that since then, I've developed a little bit more insight into the matter.

I was concerned about push/pull requiring dishonesty on my part, but if I haven't yet seen the "real her" then it can hardly be dishonest to express disinterest along with interest. All I will be doing is expressing the ambiguity that really is there.

Help me figure out HOW to do that, though. As I noted before, sarcasm and subtlety do not come naturally to me. In situations such as these, I am literally forthright to a fault.

I really don't enjoy holding grudges, and I don't want to be the type of guy that does. Oh, and I really don't think that it's RIGHT for you to feel apologetic for going through a process of learning a certain art. You NEED to compare a presented reality to your current beliefs and mindsets to be able to move forward in any direction. Otherwise you'd be going nowhere fast.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

One could say that we, as humans, are closest to our most pure and natural state when we are little tiny kids. When we are kids, I don't think we possess a scarcity mentality...there's so much out there in the world to discover! The scarcity mentality is probably the number 1 thing that limits us today as adults in regards to developing relationships. It creates desperation and neediness and we express that through supplication. Little kids don't do this, however. They don't buy each other drinks and gifts and flowers in order to gain each other's approval. They freely express themselves to have FUN.

In A2, I think the most important thing to do is to express your fun side...even if it may come off as "mean." The little boy on the playground is pulling on the little girl's pigtails. Well, guess what? That just means he likes her and wants to play with her, but he isn't supplicating because he doesn't feel like he NEEDS anything from her out of desperation.

Believe it or not, I pull girls' hair
It works like a charm, I swear.

If you don't want to get that hardcore, just look into neg theory. Mystery came up with it. Also check out David Deangelo's concept of Cocky and Funny. And, as always, feel free to ask me any questions you may have.

chris Cundiff used to pull my hair on the playground everyday in the 4th grade, and i would come home crying, my mom told me it was because he liked me..... She was right he asked me out in the 10th grade....

Hi Sexy, just my imput....

Lily! It's always great to hear your input. Your mom was absolutely right, whether Chris Cundiff knew it or not. Even if he said things like "ewww girls have cooties," and even if he didn't even know it, he liked you.