This is your quote my friend not mine. I do not think babies have any sin at all. Not even original sin like you do. Sorry but thats your belief

no you called them sinner. A sinner is someone who commits a sin, not born with it. Like I said it shows your ignorance of the subject.

Ok Chazster why don't you explain the sinless ones with original sin.

I did explain it. Being born with original sin is different than being a sinner. You did not commit a sin thus you are not a sinner. In fact the catholic church doesn't believe that a child can commit a sin till they are 7 years old. Until then they are not old enough to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Oh this is to much....this one is going to get done bit by bit. Sometimes I really wonder where some of you get you information.....Ok here we go.


This is what is so frustrating for me....Did you not read what I said about why Jesus did what he did with parables....why is it that have to keep repeating myself over and over and over with some of you....Now I know why I would suck as a teacher....lol
I would not call it a metaphor so to speak as much as I would say using parables, Jesus related truth through intriguing stories with familiar settings...But if you insist then ok so be it.

So you're saying that it was indeed intended as a metaphor for spreading the faith. To "move mountains" simply means to convince a lot of people to believe what Jesus was teaching.


Ok I'm going to give you a real example of the moving the mountain parable that just happen to me on Sunday. I was at a friends party and they were doing the football pool....for $150.00 now when I first gave my money I told those all around that I was going to win......And I did.....Why do you think that is.....luck....or maybe the parable of moving the mountain.....hmmmmm you decide......or could be blind luck....except for the fact that I announced that I was going to win.

I can buy that to a point. In fact that was indeed my first rational impression, it's just that I think it's a bit of a stretch to make that metaphor in the context where it arises, and in particular with respect to how it was phrased. It was a bit too specifically worded about moving a mountain from hither to thither to be suggestive of being anything other than a literal meaning of moving mountains for me. But whatever. Everyone has their own interpretations. If there’s one thing the Bible is famous for it’s extremely ambiguity allowing for a very wide birth of interpretations.

ANSWER: Again I disagree......If read as it was meant to be taken......There is no room for interpretations....where the trouble comes is people making up their own version of what it means...instead of trying to truly understand it's meaning.....Parables were not easy....But Jesus didn't want them to be....and I can imagine that once the 12 disciples understood they never forgot.

Ok so every Chatholic Child that dies under the age of 7, is sinless just like Jesus was. There must be millions of sinless humans that have lived and died then.

no not sinless. They just never commited a sin. To commit a sin you must understand its a sin and do it anyway.

no that is wrong wrong wrong..do most 7 year olds know the difference between right and wrong....and also you have to put the factor of what that child is taught by parents.....Is he/she a part of generational baggage.....there are alot of factors....

they still would have the original sin.

I could be wrong but that is the general age the church goes with I believe. Just because you tell a kid something is bad and they don't do it.. doesn't mean they really understand that is bad.

Neither one of you believe that babies are Sinless

thats right. They are not sinless but they are also not sinners.

Well thats true to a point....and I don't mean just bad behavior here folks....What about the 8 year old that killed the 4 year old...Is that a sin....yes because the 8 year old knew it was wrong......But does that mean the 8 year old can't repent and ask for forgiveness (NO) but then if that same 8 year old when he was 16 killed again......You can of course repent but then the change has to happen or no good.

I think you should have written the Bible cause you are just as clear as it is. Nice work

BABIES ARE SINLESS

BABIES ARE SINLESS



BABIES ARE SINLESS


SINK IN YET


CHILDREN ARE NOT SINLESS

Feral answer my other question

a one day old baby dies is he

1 sinless like Jesus?

2 sinful?

Wow this was a topic designed to spark a heated debate, that being said i'm not going to waste my time on a thread that was posted for the sole reason of igniting feelings. but i do have to challenge you on something...you say the bible is unclear? than i challenge you to read it...front to back all the way through and THEN tell me how unclear it is. That's my 2 cents. You can't call something unclear unless you have the whole puzzle...not just looking at single pieces in random order

A one day old baby would die and go straight to heaven. It is not blamed for not being able to clear its self of original sin (which we all have because of adam and eves disobedience in the garden). The same would go for a 90 year old man who never heard of Christianity. They are not blamed if they had no control.

So babies that die are sinless like Jesus and there must have been millions of sinless humans here on earth.

is a one day old that dies

1 sinless like Jesus

2 sinful