Actually, I have not been around 'men' who spoke like that, ESPECIALLY men in their sixties and seventies .. and certainly not 'good people'.

Democrats focus on issues just like republicans do.

the point is not what EVERYBODY says, or whats the worst ANYONE has done, the point is what is expected for a POTUS to do. No one would have been making all these excuses for these types of things from Obama. Look how upset they were for him simply saying if he had a (black) son, he may have looked like Treyvon(a black kid) or saying that police (who repeatedly questioned a professor about his presence in his OWN home while standing in the middle of photos and plaques with his likeness and NAME) behaved 'stupid'.

have naysayers tell it, saying his black kid would look black was 'divisive' and saying police hassling a resident in their home where their photo and name were all around were stupid was somehow 'dehumanizing' all police ....


Perhaps some people are fake, but far too many in political discourse are hypocrites.

OBama is a traitor pure and simple and so is EVIL QUEEN Hillary ..there is nothing hypocritical in anything I say I stand by all of it..I prefer Trump over a traitor any day obviously others feel differently I see no logic in that..so people don't like what the guy says altho they have probably said things just as bad and judge him ..now that's hypocritical.. ..but hey as long as no one has recorded it's all good..

People are people and no one is perfect I wish people would realize it and the fact that Trump is a person also..but as long as the MSM can exploit it the puppets will continue to dance to their tune..

People need to realize they want Trump out so they can replace him with another Satanists so they can go back to raping babies and stealing from us all they can...

Even more winning. This has been a bad week for Trump and Michael Cohen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen-is-in-plea-discussions-with-federal-prosecutors-according-to-a-person-familiar-with-the-matter/2018/08/21/5fbd7f34-8510-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e828448d8ec5

I want Trump out because he appears to be an incompetent, self absorbed, out of touch, divisive, and childish golden boy who does nothing with his privilege but line his own pockets and belittle others.


I see no logic in labeling Obama or anyone else in office of POTUS a 'traitor'. They all are representing their base at the very least. it is hard to be a traitor to those who dont support you.

I want Trump out because he appears to be an incompetent, self absorbed, out of touch, divisive, and childish golden boy who does nothing with his privilege but line his own pockets and belittle others.


I see no logic in labeling Obama or anyone else in office of POTUS a 'traitor'. They all are representing their base at the very least. it is hard to be a traitor to those who dont support you.

Absolutely ridiculous.

can you imagine if OBama or Hilary had THIS many in their circle being endited? Amazing how that 'fake news' technique keeps this POTUS completely immune to any suspicion or concern from his base.

Yes, I know. I also knew when I started this thread what was gonna happen. They do the same thing over and over. Instead of trying to stick as close as possible to the posted topic, it would be the same broken record, Hillary this, Obama that.

Instead of talking about Cohen and maybe Paul Manafort, which would be sticking closer to the topic, What we get, But Hillary, But Obama. The same broken record.

You hear them say, "Dem's can't get over Hillary losing". When in reality, it seems they are the ones that can't get over Hillery. I read many threads here.

I belong to several online groups that post to forums all over the internet. I know many people out in public, I rarely hear them speak about Hillary. The only ones I do hear and read, are Republicans who say Dem's can't get over it. It's the Republicans that talk about it the most.

Folks like me who aren't either, and many Dems that I know, aren't looking behind them, they are looking ahead. So far, it's only Republicans that seem to keep looking backward. Much like Trump and his idea of bringing coal back.



Yes, sir. I do. I'm just not easy to bate.

If the links aren't clickable, Highlight it, Right click, click go to link.

And the shyt keeps getting deeper.

https://apnews.com/72c5c19195f84abfaa42eaffe78d806a

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I go away for a while and all this great stuff comes out:



I am not a Dem, but exactly WHAT has Trump done for the country? I am remembering all his promises, but he has done NOTHING but get in a member-measuring contest with Obama. I seem to remember his "first 100 days list somewhere, what ever happened to that? Here are just the ones I remember:
- "Infrastructure improvements." Where?
- "Repeal Obamacare" The health insurance lobby smartened him up real quick, did you know there are more insurance lobbyists than for Big Tobacco?
- "Hillary in jail" Wow, you would think that he had enough time to prove that... instead they are finding HE, not Hillary, was colluding with the Russians
- "Get Mexico to pay for the wall". Mexico is STILL laughing at him trying to stick them with the tab "too much tequila, Mr Orange!"
- "Fix ISIS" No progress at all
- "Fix N Korea" Trump got Kim all stirred up, so he could make it look like he fixed the situation, and so he could get a Nobel like Obama has. Didn't quite work, Kim is laughing at us.
- "Drain the DC Swamp" The news is full of swamp creatures he hired getting in trouble. He is well on his way to top the number of Cabinet folks dismissed, disgraced, or jailed. (The previous record is held by Reagan, I believe... and i voted for Reagan)

[Speaking of Reagan, did you know that the MAGA line was stolen from Reagan's campaign? Of course. now MAGA stands for "My Attorney got Arraigned"]

I know I am missing a bunch, but I am sure I can find more of the empty promises.

The economy is on good footing, but that is a "Thanks Obama". Unemployment is good, another "Thanks Obama"

I give up, exactly WHAT Trump accomplishments am I supposed to be happy about? His gold score improving?

This is what makes discussions with moron Trump supporters so much fun.
Instead of defending your boy when "the left" (Charles, are YOU "the left"?) makes a point, you have to deflect, and bring up Hillary, or Obama, of the CIA, or W, or 9/11, instead of telling "the left" DIRECTLY why the POTUS had to lie, or why he reversed his position, etc.

But then again, this is how Trump himself pulled the wool over his supporters' eyes. When something is good, he takes credit, when something goes bad, SPIN the big wheel and use what ever comes up, like "Blame Obama", "Say 'Fake News'", or simply "go Baghdad Bob and tell folks the bombs are really not falling on the palace"

Sure, we KNOW that Trump is a bully and a lout, and a cheat, and that maybe admirable traits for a Commander in Chief in your eyes. The folks who despise Trump sort of thought that America deserved better from their POTUS. One thing for sure, Trump makes Pence look GOOD, and that is just a scary realization.

I see a lot of empty heads here.

When you refer to the NYcrimes or washington pest, or yapew news, I already know you're spreading lies. They're about as accurate as Cartoon Network News. Why not just shoot the moon and go send us to occupy dems?

Manafort a tax cheat, plain and simple. Tell me, do you discuss your tax filings of ten years ago with your employer? Manafort didn't, it wasn't Trump's business to ask.

I'll fall back on what Alan Dershowitz has has been talking about with Cohen. Most all politicians have some sort of champagne finance infractions. obama had it in 2008 with two million dollars. It's so common, that he referred to it as a j-walking infraction. They pay the fine and go on. Cohen has tax issues, along with something going with cab medallions. Cohen also paid off Daniels, and some other broad that claimed they had sexual relations with Trump. Paying them to shut them up is nothing unusual, most politicians do, on both sides.

Wanna know where I got this? Try watching Fox News, and listening to Rush Limbaugh. By the way, Alan Dershowitz has been on ALL on the news channels. One difference. Dershowitz doesn't have to argue with the folks on Fox.

smh ... the who and not the what ... like always ...

yes, if he had his FBI spy on a presidential candidate. Like Obama did. Or if he destroyed government equipment to cover-up illegal acts like Hillary did, but all you hear from two faced democrats is how guilty trump is at something, they don't know what but he's guilty. Grow up and be constructive instead of destructive.

No sir. I'm neither left nor right. I'm standing in the middle. I look to the left, I see the Democrats problems. I look to the right, and I see the Republican problem.

I know the Democrats aren't squeaky clean. But the Republicans in office right now, not only are they a little scary. They are downright dirty. Trump has not helped the Republican party one iota. If anything, Trump is the Jerry Springer of the Republican party.

He has brought the White House down to the trailer park. Or brought the trailer park to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Right now, It looks like Cohen is going to roll on Trump. That's left to be seen.

I don't believe either Dem or Rep is squeaky clean. But I do believe that some can be dirtier than others. Right now, Trump, Cohen, and Manafort are filthy.

Paul Ryan fits into there somewhere. As far as "dirty" goes.

Trump tax cuts have caused owning a business to be profitable again. I had a couple of friends close their business back in 2012-2013. One had the irs visiting. They wanted more money than the business could provide. They damn sure didn't get any tax money after the business closed. Get it? When the country over taxes busuness, it isn't worth it.

The media has made the white house into a Jerry Springer show. I care about trumps ability to run the country not his sex life.

Can you imagine how many millions in tax revenue will be lost if cohen goes to prison? Think about that Democrats.

losing tax revenue is no concern when talking about going after 'traitor' Obama or 'crooked' Hilary, who both probably pay more in tax than any of trump's associates.

I don't see anyone going after Obama or Hillary. Last I heard Obama was in Africa where he should be and Hillary was crying she was worry Trump was going to rape her at the debate. If Obama is so rich he should give up his salary like Trump is doing. Nah, he is like the typical Democrat wants to get paid for telling the poor he knows how they feel.

point is that we dont use 'lost revenue' as a reason to allow anyone else to be free from prosecution or jail. and those who are anti obama or hilary certainly dont seem concerned about it then either.