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Topic: Another 20 people shot in Chicago
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Sun 08/26/18 01:05 PM






Not that it matters because some would never understand the concept but

My first son was born when as 18. I worked my day job then quickly threw on a pair of work overalls and pumped gas until 9:30PM 5 day a week.( in Jersey you can't pump your own gas). I did this for 3 years and the money made from the night job paid for the stuff like formula, pampers, and my sons regular doctor bills. I worked both jobs, left at 6:30AM got home at 10:00PM. My wife did side jobs whenever she could.

It was a terrible job, I hated it. One night some guys driving by threw a plastic cup of soda at me.. hit me in the chest. It was demoralizing. But I continued to work there because jobs were tight, I was young and had little experience and it was a recession

But most of all because my son needed that stuff and he was MY responsibility.

This is what 10's of millions of other mother and fathers also did.



your son had a mother and father around ... two potential sources of income, and two potential sets of supervision


single parents doing it on their own, dont have it so fortunate ...


Kudos to you and ALL parents who care about their kids 'needs', which Im sure most do regardless of financial or employment status. drinker





that is because we were taught personal responsibility. And in " my world" you create a baby... you raise that kid. You don't and you are going to hear it.. everyday, from your family, your relatives. and then her family and her relatives. You would be a disgrace to your family until you do " the right thing"

Especially your father and grandfathers.. they are going to make sure you " do the right thing".. but then again.. they are in your life to begin with.

personal responsibility

something that escapes baby daddies and something maybe the woman should think about... before they bed down with a guy...Hmmm




define 'raise' ... being gone 16 hours a day and giving them the leftover time and energy when you arent asleep?

like I said, paying the bills is not the ONLY responsibility parents have or feel an obligation to tend to ...


and personal responsibility, with kids, is a two way street, there are TWO parents, when both are responsible it works fine, when that two becomes one or any other of lifes set backs happen, people need help.

responsibility does escape alot of men, but its usually not something they are forthcoming about before they 'bed' down with a woman.





Define raise:

yes I was working 16 hours a day and my wife was home with our son. I made the money ,she was with our son, she paid the bills, cooked, took care of the baby, made all the doctor arraignments, cleaned, she took care of me as well, ect, ect, ect. On the weekends we did family things.. the park , the zoo, shopping or just time at home

And while I was working the 2 jobs I was concentrating on bettering myself at my first job.. which I did, working up the ladder and getting paid more money. Then when financially I could, I dropped the second job. My son was 3 1/2 by then

And if working 16 hours a day and missing some of the early upbringing is needed... then you do it. As opposed to staying home, your kid not having what he or she needs and having other people finance your family

That is how I define raise.

And please don't tell me a lot of these women do not know the caliper of the man she is about to have unprotected sex with. Many of these guys have already fathered kids.. and they know that too. It is a small world in some areas.. a very small world.


no. I wont. you all are experts on everyone else's intents, experiences, and mindsets. Still doesnt change the huge difference between handling parenting responsibilities between TWO people and trying to do it all with only one.




And again, nobody in the government told them to have unprotected sex and kids. Nobody told her to have sex with someone who would not be able to or not have any intensions of financially supporting her and the child. And they know these guys.. they know their backgrounds.

And you really think they don't know who they are having sex with?.. really?. you don't think that they know a lot of these guys have records.. are involved with drugs.. are gang members... really? Do you think all the gangbangers are men?.. guess what, women too. And a lot of these women hook up with gangbangers for one reason.. drugs and money.

You asked me to define " raise" I did.. and we are not " experts"... just responsible.

So, don't get upset with people who " did the right thing", which is the vast majority.


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Sun 08/26/18 01:06 PM
The unwed birth rate is 70%. Those 3 aren't the exception. They are the rule. The only free service they didn't take advantage of was birth control. Imagine that. Could have easily had sex after the club's and after picking up homeboy from jail without getting pregnant. Tax payers fund a pill. :thinking:

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Sun 08/26/18 01:31 PM







Not that it matters because some would never understand the concept but

My first son was born when as 18. I worked my day job then quickly threw on a pair of work overalls and pumped gas until 9:30PM 5 day a week.( in Jersey you can't pump your own gas). I did this for 3 years and the money made from the night job paid for the stuff like formula, pampers, and my sons regular doctor bills. I worked both jobs, left at 6:30AM got home at 10:00PM. My wife did side jobs whenever she could.

It was a terrible job, I hated it. One night some guys driving by threw a plastic cup of soda at me.. hit me in the chest. It was demoralizing. But I continued to work there because jobs were tight, I was young and had little experience and it was a recession

But most of all because my son needed that stuff and he was MY responsibility.

This is what 10's of millions of other mother and fathers also did.



your son had a mother and father around ... two potential sources of income, and two potential sets of supervision


single parents doing it on their own, dont have it so fortunate ...


Kudos to you and ALL parents who care about their kids 'needs', which Im sure most do regardless of financial or employment status. drinker





that is because we were taught personal responsibility. And in " my world" you create a baby... you raise that kid. You don't and you are going to hear it.. everyday, from your family, your relatives. and then her family and her relatives. You would be a disgrace to your family until you do " the right thing"

Especially your father and grandfathers.. they are going to make sure you " do the right thing".. but then again.. they are in your life to begin with.

personal responsibility

something that escapes baby daddies and something maybe the woman should think about... before they bed down with a guy...Hmmm




define 'raise' ... being gone 16 hours a day and giving them the leftover time and energy when you arent asleep?

like I said, paying the bills is not the ONLY responsibility parents have or feel an obligation to tend to ...


and personal responsibility, with kids, is a two way street, there are TWO parents, when both are responsible it works fine, when that two becomes one or any other of lifes set backs happen, people need help.

responsibility does escape alot of men, but its usually not something they are forthcoming about before they 'bed' down with a woman.





Define raise:

yes I was working 16 hours a day and my wife was home with our son. I made the money ,she was with our son, she paid the bills, cooked, took care of the baby, made all the doctor arraignments, cleaned, she took care of me as well, ect, ect, ect. On the weekends we did family things.. the park , the zoo, shopping or just time at home

And while I was working the 2 jobs I was concentrating on bettering myself at my first job.. which I did, working up the ladder and getting paid more money. Then when financially I could, I dropped the second job. My son was 3 1/2 by then

And if working 16 hours a day and missing some of the early upbringing is needed... then you do it. As opposed to staying home, your kid not having what he or she needs and having other people finance your family

That is how I define raise.

And please don't tell me a lot of these women do not know the caliper of the man she is about to have unprotected sex with. Many of these guys have already fathered kids.. and they know that too. It is a small world in some areas.. a very small world.


no. I wont. you all are experts on everyone else's intents, experiences, and mindsets. Still doesnt change the huge difference between handling parenting responsibilities between TWO people and trying to do it all with only one.




And again, nobody in the government told them to have unprotected sex and kids. Nobody told her to have sex with someone who would not be able to or not have any intensions of financially supporting her and the child. And they know these guys.. they know their backgrounds.

And you really think they don't know who they are having sex with?.. really?. you don't think that they know a lot of these guys have records.. are involved with drugs.. are gang members... really? Do you think all the gangbangers are men?.. guess what, women too. And a lot of these women hook up with gangbangers for one reason.. drugs and money.

You asked me to define " raise" I did.. and we are not " experts"... just responsible.

So, don't get upset with people who " did the right thing", which is the vast majority.




no, not experts, just very knowledgable about what people in relationships 'know' about the partners in their beds. Im not upset with anyone. I just find all the assumptions about others intentions or knowledge laughable and coincidentally racially centered.



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Sun 08/26/18 01:38 PM

The unwed birth rate is 70%. Those 3 aren't the exception. They are the rule. The only free service they didn't take advantage of was birth control. Imagine that. Could have easily had sex after the club's and after picking up homeboy from jail without getting pregnant. Tax payers fund a pill. :thinking:


WRONG. I know people stuck in their bigotry think data is their enemy. But the OUT OF WEDLOCK rate is 70 percent

the BIRTH rate is 3 percent(30 births per 1000) for non married white women and 5.7(57 per 1000) for non married black women

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_01.pdf


so a small percentage of all race of women who are single are having babies anyway.

pills dont stop disease, but good luck getting ANY race of americans to insist a man is wearing a condom before laying down with him, especially if they consider themselves to be 'in a relationship'.



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Sun 08/26/18 01:55 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Sun 08/26/18 02:00 PM


Government needs to stop. Supporting people who don't want to work.

Who cares if they have children and are single moms!

Get a JOB. I worked. Around many women who had Children!!

Stop it. !! Assistance is for people who are disabled, or those who are laid off, or between jobs.

Some Criminals are raised on government assistance then when they go to jail, government still supports them.

This Country leaders need to Wise up and Keep a Conservative in Office as POTUS.

Stop focusing on Presidet's sex life and let him help the Economy.

Socialism will destory a Country ! Duh




How will government determine who doesn't "want" to work?

should we have a system where government dictates where you must work to have food and shelter? Should people struggling no longer have the discretion to choose the work that fits their skills, education, geography and needs?





People on long time Welfare often times are not seeking employment.

When a person is on welfare for a time period of 6 months and haven't even applied for One job there is a problem.

People should have to be activity looking for Work to get welfare!

Government dictates how much a person can receive on welfare. Many have to live in government housing.

So, the government can dictate the welfare family has someone in the home that is employable and seeking a job !!

Unless All members of household is Legitimately disabled.





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Sun 08/26/18 01:56 PM
It's 70%. I've double checked. Disease has nothing to do with having babies for tax payers to support. But you are correct. The aids rate is a lot higher in the black community

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Sun 08/26/18 01:59 PM



Government needs to stop. Supporting people who don't want to work.

Who cares if they have children and are single moms!

Get a JOB. I worked. Around many women who had Children!!

Stop it. !! Assistance is for people who are disabled, or those who are laid off, or between jobs.

Some Criminals are raised on government assistance then when they go to jail, government still supports them.

This Country leaders need to Wise up and Keep a Conservative in Office as POTUS.

Stop focusing on Presidet's sex life and let him help the Economy.

Socialism will destory a Country ! Duh




How will government determine who doesn't "want" to work?

should we have a system where government dictates where you must work to have food and shelter? Should people struggling no longer have the discretion to choose the work that fits their skills, education, geography and needs?





People on long time Welfare often times are not seeking employment.

When a person is on welfare for a time period of 6 months and haven't even applied for One job there is a problem.

People should have to be activity looking for Work to get welfare!

Government dictates how much a person can receive on welfare. Many have to live in government housing.

So, the government can dictate the welfare family has someone in the home that is employable and seeking a job !!

Unless All members of household is Legitimately disabled.


that has been the case sense Clinton with Cash assistance.

Just like with unemployment, there has to be a record of submitted applications and resumes kept, but with case assistance (unlike unemployment) the record must be turned into a caseworker every week, with contact number of the persons applied to

many who never had to use welfare are not aware of that.



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Sun 08/26/18 02:00 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/26/18 02:01 PM

It's 70%. I've double checked. Disease has nothing to do with having babies for tax payers to support. But you are correct. The aids rate is a lot higher in the black community


Yeah. you checked the number YOU want to keep repeating. out of wedlock birth. I am not providing the actual birth RATE numbers any more, or explaining the difference




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Sun 08/26/18 02:06 PM
The discussion isn't about people who are responsible and supporting their families. The unwed birth rate is 70%. That means the majority are irresponsible. Married women have less kids. Imagine a family who has to support the kids stops having them :thinking: So it makes the welfare mom's 10 kids bring up that unwed birth rate. We all know that already.

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Sun 08/26/18 10:45 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/26/18 10:46 PM

The discussion isn't about people who are responsible and supporting their families. The unwed birth rate is 70%. That means the majority are irresponsible. Married women have less kids. Imagine a family who has to support the kids stops having them :thinking: So it makes the welfare mom's 10 kids bring up that unwed birth rate. We all know that already.



lol... no it doesnt.

it means the majority of KIDS are born to unmarried parents.

it does not mean the majority of UNMARRIED parents are having kids.


The VAST majority of unmarried parents(regardless of races by the way) ARE responsible and NOT having kids.


hopefully those reading these threads dont find reading and research too taunting to double check some of the nonsense in these threads.

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Mon 08/27/18 12:40 AM


The discussion isn't about people who are responsible and supporting their families. The unwed birth rate is 70%. That means the majority are irresponsible. Married women have less kids. Imagine a family who has to support the kids stops having them :thinking: So it makes the welfare mom's 10 kids bring up that unwed birth rate. We all know that already.



lol... no it doesnt.

it means the majority of KIDS are born to unmarried parents.

it does not mean the majority of UNMARRIED parents are having kids.


The VAST majority of unmarried parents(regardless of races by the way) ARE responsible and NOT having kids.


hopefully those reading these threads dont find reading and research too taunting to double check some of the nonsense in these threads.


If they weren't irresponsible, they wouldn't have had those kids out of wedlock to begin with. They could have been taking birth control pills when having sex with those men who didn't want anything serious with them. Most do have a second child out of wedlock. Not all get to 6 or 7 but it doesn't mean they aren't irresponsibly.

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Mon 08/27/18 06:29 AM

What is and has been going in Chicago is complete unbridled insanity.
Period.

As long as the family unit is dysfunctional and abuse, addiction, lack of education and joblessness continues so will the blood shed.

There will be no hope for Chicago or any other major city if the above continues.
The body count will rise as well as destruction and depression.






:thumbsup:

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Mon 08/27/18 08:31 AM



The discussion isn't about people who are responsible and supporting their families. The unwed birth rate is 70%. That means the majority are irresponsible. Married women have less kids. Imagine a family who has to support the kids stops having them :thinking: So it makes the welfare mom's 10 kids bring up that unwed birth rate. We all know that already.



lol... no it doesnt.

it means the majority of KIDS are born to unmarried parents.

it does not mean the majority of UNMARRIED parents are having kids.


The VAST majority of unmarried parents(regardless of races by the way) ARE responsible and NOT having kids.


hopefully those reading these threads dont find reading and research too taunting to double check some of the nonsense in these threads.


If they weren't irresponsible, they wouldn't have had those kids out of wedlock to begin with. They could have been taking birth control pills when having sex with those men who didn't want anything serious with them. Most do have a second child out of wedlock. Not all get to 6 or 7 but it doesn't mean they aren't irresponsibly.


the VAST majority of single women of all races ARE responsible. No race has 100 percent of their single women being responsible.

and no race has an average of 6 or 7 children today in the US.

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Mon 08/27/18 09:11 AM
Having children out of wedlock that you can't support isn't something responsible people do. Making an excuse and putting that responsibility on others doesn't qualify as being a responsible parent.

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Mon 08/27/18 09:19 AM

Having children out of wedlock that you can't support isn't something responsible people do. Making an excuse and putting that responsibility on others doesn't qualify as being a responsible parent.


It sure isnt. it is also not what the vast majority of single women (in any race) do.

And sometimes, what responsible people do, because they dont carry a crystal ball, is have kids they CAN support, and then over the next ... mmmm.. lets call it 18 YEARS,, come up on a hard time or two where things change and they need some help.


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Mon 08/27/18 11:02 AM
Responsible people anticipate tough times. Only idiots expect to never have any problems. That's why kids need two parents.

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Mon 08/27/18 11:13 AM
whoa

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Mon 08/27/18 04:04 PM
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-weekend-shootings-august-27-2018/
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28 shot... 3 killed

And the beat goes on

Easttowest72's photo
Tue 08/28/18 06:35 AM
Like Elvis says....another little baby child is born in the ghetto....

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/28/18 10:03 AM
so, we care if they get shot, but not if they go hungry or homeless


interesting dichotomy

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