What does being poor have to do with sucker punching old people? I don't think most people have to be taught it's wrong.

? According to the dept of justice blacks commit 52% of all homicides and they are only 21% of the overall population. What is hard to undetstand? Blacks are murdering more people then any other ethnic group. Take it up with the DOJ

That does not include shootings..just murders

And BTW. Having 1 million in jail is not really something to brag about. But I guess that's how the overall black violent crime rate % jumps to 74%

And what does sucker punching a old person have to do with poverty?

What in the world does poverty have to do with a gang of thugs walking down the street picking out a defenseless old person ..as one comes up behind and punches them as hard as he can in the head with a goal of to knock that person out
As others in the gang video it..and laugh

To better comprehend this trend, on we spoke with veteran journalist and author Alan Caruba. When questioned about the proliferation of black crime, Caruba explained, “The black community is afflicted with all kinds of problems based on a long history of failing to integrate fully into the overall community.”
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police commissioner of NYC:
As a crack epidemic raged and the homicide rate skyrocketed, Benjamin Ward, NYC's first black police commissioner, referred to "our dirty little secret." He meant that most crime in the city is committed by young black males against other black males. Black officials criticized him at the time.

Black-on-black crime remains a frustrating challenge for both police and African Americans, many of whose leaders find it difficult to acknowledge the problem publicly.
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Chicago Dem Mayor:
This may not be politically correct," he said, "but I know the power of what faith and family can do. … Our kids need that structure. … I am asking … that we also don’t shy away from a full discussion about the importance of family and faith helping to develop and nurture character, self-respect, a value system and a moral compass that allows kids to know good from bad and right from wrong.”
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PHILADELPHIA — Mayor Michael A. Nutter, telling marauding black youths “you have damaged your own race,” imposed a tougher curfew Monday in response to the latest “flash mob” — spontaneous groups of teens who attack people at random on the streets of the city’s tourist and fashionable shopping districts.
“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,” Mr. Nutter, the city’s second black mayor, said in an angry lecture aimed at black teens. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”
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You asked my core point?.. as if it hasn't been stated by me a 1,000 times ?.. but I will let others say it ( Above)

There are those who address problems head on and who do not deflect the root cause to other entities. They are not afraid to look within themselves to find the answers and they are no afraid to speak the truth regardless if it is a stain on their ethnic group.

Then there are those in the black community who refuse to call the root cause what it really is and they will blame everyone other then themselves because it does not fit their agenda (i.e the government, the cops, alcohol, ect, ect.).

And when these people are faced with the words of others in their ethnic group or people in position that would know such as mayors, police commissioners ect, ect who do call it for what it is. they ignore those words. gain, because it does not fit their agenda.

so, for the 1,001 time

The lack of personal responsibility for your actions or the way you raise your family is the root cause...is that clear enough?

I think most people probably are which is why most people don't sucker punch old people.


but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means.

and?

whites now make up 62.6 of the population

YET, they are 90 percent of arsonists
are white parents failing to teach their kids about the dangers of playing with fire?

whenever people die of arson, are we to turn the conversation into one about why white parents are not doing a better job with this?

No.

back to what poverty has to do with punching someone, nothing,

what poverty has to do with violence in general:


Inequality predicts homicide rates “better than any other variable”, says Martin Daly, professor emeritus of psychology and neuroscience at McMaster University in Ontario and author of Killing the Competition: Economic Inequality and Homicide.

This includes factors like rates of gun ownership (which also rise when inequality does) and cultural traits like placing more emphasis on “honor” (this, too, turns out to be linked with inequality). “About 60 [academic] papers show that a very common result of greater inequality is more violence, usually measured by homicide rates,” says Richard Wilkinson, author of The Spirit Level and co-founder of the Equality Trust.

According to the FBI, just over half of murders in which the precipitating circumstances were known were set off by what is called the “other argument” – not a robbery, a love triangle, drugs, domestic violence or money, but simply the sense that someone had been dissed.

If your social reputation in that milieu is all you’ve got, you’ve got to defend it,” says Daly. “Inequality makes these confrontations more fraught because there’s much more at stake when there are winners and losers and you can see that you are on track to be one of the losers.”

Harold Pollack, co-director of the University of Chicago Crime Lab, agrees. “If you foreclose [mainstream] opportunities for respect, status and personal advancement, people will find other ways to pursue those things.”



responsibility is always on the individual, motivation and inspiration are other matters ....

someone merely speaking does not mean they are speaking 'truth'

truth is better determined by study and research in ADDITION to mere opinion or personal experience.

there is no indication of how criminals are raised and little question of it, especially as a racial matter, unless or until they are black.

That is MY point. Every criminal is responsible for their own actions. The conversation of Black on Black crime turns that observation on its head by implying their race or their parenting are responsible instead.


In fact, MANY factors contribute to the decisions people make, not just race, not just parenting. There is no finger to point at anyone else. There is responsibility to go around.

but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means.

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And AGAIN what does punching old defenseless people have to do with poverty.

Are black people the only people living in poverty? Why then is it black people doing this?

if you cant deduce the answer from whats provided. I cant help you.

as to black people in CONCENTRATED poverty:

The results in Table 1 show African-Americans to be the group with the largest proportion of its population living in extremely poor areas. More that 25% of the African-American population lived in areas where 40% or more of the residents had incomes below the poverty threshold. This level (27.6%) is six and nearly two times greater that the corresponding levels for Whites (4.5%) and Latinos (16%), respectively.

1 in four in CONCENTRATED poverty, compared to 1 in 20 for whites.

so no, blacks are not the ONLY ones in poverty, nor are they the only ones committing homicides.

but they are DISPROPORTIONATELY represented in CONCENTRATED poverty just as they seem to be in all the homicide statistics people love to use in these threads tying them to criminal behavior and inferior morals.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014353/

it's pretty difficult helping those that don't want help.

someone merely speaking does not mean they are speaking 'truth'

truth is better determined by study and research in ADDITION to mere opinion or personal experience.
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Really?

the people I listed life that life everyday. They know a lot more the a pie chart does.

Ben Ward ran a 32,000 person police dept.. The largest and busiest police department....in the world.. he dealt with the real life situations on the streets. Not some stats in a spreadsheet.

That is where you go wrong.. living in some cocoon world, insulated from reality and failing to see what is really going on or unwilling to accept it.. which is more like it.. which is fine. But I am sure intelligent people will take the advice of proven leader , such as Ben Ward over a spreadsheet... anytime.

that is true as well.

yes, these people are ONLY making generalizations of THEIR experiences. That is the definition of living in a COCOON.


more on the correlation of poverty 'respect' and violence, from RESEARCHERS (who studied more than one area or region or race of the country or world)


Issues of respect don’t only affect males, of course – but overwhelmingly, murders tend to be committed by men: the current proportion in the US is 90%.

What’s less known is that in most countries, most of the victims are male, too. That’s because, since inequality is common worldwide, killings related to status predominate – and men kill those whom they see as rivals. Murders are also disproportionately a crime of the young. For both evolutionary and cultural reasons, social status is most highly contested during adolescence and early adulthood, because high rank is frequently associated with sexual attractiveness.

The link between these crimes and inequality is also underscored by how much their levels differ between countries. “It’s the most variable component of the homicide rate,” says Daly.

All types of homicide are much less common in the egalitarian Scandinavian countries than in the US. But disputes over male status are so much lower in such countries that while in the US, 77% of victims are male, only 50% are in the Nordic nations.

“What’s fallen out is all this male macho stuff,” Daly says. Although inequality can also affect rates of crimes like robbery or burglary, its effect is most clearly seen in the way it murderously magnifies beefs.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/income-inequality-murder-homicide-rates

KILLINGS ASSOCIATED TO STATUS, even amongst WHITE folks ...

I think most people probably are which is why most people don't sucker punch old people.


but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means.

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So you are saying it is the poverty that makes these black thugs sucker punch old people?.. because poor people of other ethnic groups are not doing it.

So why is it only blacks?

If it is poverty.. why then punch out old people?.. killing many. How does poverty warrant that? and why are Hasidic Jews being singled out in NYC?. Why tourist in Philly?

If it is not poverty then again, same question.. why are these black thugs sucker punching elderly people.

So Anyway you try to spin it the same questions needs to be answered.. which you have not done.

Why are black thugs sucker punching elderly people.?


Can you answer with a simple " Black are sucker punching the elderly because____________________________________________________.

Anything else is just spin........

your right. most are not going to give up that lifestyle. They are not going to take a entry level job. They do not want help and there is no one home giving help.

So, they go out and hit old people.

Young black man was found shot in the head last night, Champaign Illinois.
CBS evening news reported today! Police are investigating if this is a Murder.
Unfortunately, another young life Lost 16yrs old. Inestigations are under way!

yes, these people are ONLY making generalizations of THEIR experiences. That is the definition of living in a COCOON.

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You mean:

A black Police commissioner in the largest city in America with the largest black population in America ( 3.4 million)

A black mayor in a major city (Philly) with a black population of 1.3 million

And the mayor ( Democratic) of the 2nd largest city in America, Chicago with a black population of 1.7 million

total of 6.7 million blacks. You already read their comments.

Well I would say that is one big cocoon they got going there. wouldn't you? I would think they would have intel that you don't.. don't you?.. experience on a major stage, not a command center in a house. Experience dealing with this .. every day.

But lets not believe them.. what do they know in their " little worlds"...Lol

I will let the posters make up their own minds on who is dealing in reality and who is spinning like a top.

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/1-killed-11-wounded-in-shootings-across-chicago-tuesday

One person was killed and 11 others were wounded, including two teenage boys, between about 5:20 a.m. and 11:50 p.m. Wednesday in shootings across Chicago.

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I know, its just out of control out there.

Another 11 shot,( including 2 teenagers) and 1 killed in Chicago yesterday.

are you saying that it is being black that makes them punch people?

what is your 'spin'?

black are sucker punching the elderly because of all the same reasons that whites shoot up schoolmates ...


poor training
violent peer pressure
poor impulse control
poor coping skills
the idea of 'saving face' or revenge for being isolated or disrespected

except they dont directly deal with 6.7 million blacks

they deal with the small portion who are criminals

so yes, in regards to the billions of people in the black race, or even the 37 million black people in the US, that is a 'cocoon'

I would think they have 'intel' about the criminal population in THEIR city, as opposed to 'intel' about blacks ACROSS AMERICA

by all means readers should believe that they believe what they say based on their experience with the criminal population specific to their city, but not that they therefore have 'intel' or logical conclusions about the BLACK population across America.