Club?

MS-13 makes the Hells Angels and the Mongols look like Alter boys

for what its worth. We have the HA here, they come thru my town all the time. And never bother a soul.. never. They have a clubhouse in Manhattan which is actually on the tourist stops... so much for ruthless killers. They keep to themselves. And I can not remember the last time I read or saw on T.V. where they were arrested for... anything. They are a biker gang but not even close in league to MS-13

Geography does play a role yes, and our shares of undocumented except we can a list of ours because to get into the country you need a visa and many "illegals" are people who overstay their visas, so its easier to track them



Irreverent

ir·rev·er·ent
əˈrev(ə)rənt/
adjective
adjective: irreverent

showing a lack of respect for people or things that are generally taken seriously.
"she is irreverent about the whole business of politics"
synonyms: disrespectful, disdainful, scornful, contemptuous, derisive, disparaging;

Words mean things..



http://www.bakersfield.com/news/mongols-affiliates-planned-bakersfield-attack-on-hells-angels-days-in/article_9937b484-6b55-11e8-b2ca-732e121b6356.html

Mongols affiliates planned Bakersfield attack on Hells Angels days in advance of fundraiser, reports say

Two days before a motorcycle wash fundraiser in Bakersfield organized by the local chapter of the Hells Angels, Ricardo Viera received a text message from an affiliate of the Mongols, another decades-old motorcycle club — and one of the Angels' biggest rivals.

"Light-em-up," read the message sent from the phone of Eliseo Ray Miranda, recently released court documents say. He also texted Viera, a Mongols member, a photograph of an advertisement for the event.

On May 5, Miranda and two other Mongols affiliates — Christopher Clay Wilson and Arturo Desiderio — arrived at the motorcycle wash in the 3200 block of Buck Owens Boulevard in one vehicle, according to court documents. Viera, armed with a pump-action pistol grip shotgun, drove separately to the event and parked near them.

Minutes later, a confrontation ensued that left Viera dead and two others wounded. On June 1, Miranda, 45, Wilson, 40 and Desiderio, 37, were charged with crimes including multiple counts of attempted murder and gang participation.

Bail for each has been set at $1 million.

According to the documents, the events of May 5 unfolded as follows:

Miranda and Desiderio got out of a vehicle upon arriving at the motorcycle wash and brandished metal objects as they approached and challenged the Hells Angels gathered for the event.

They drew several Hells Angels into a gas station parking lot where Viera was waiting. Viera got out of his vehicle and fired into the crowd. A person at the wash then armed himself with a handgun and fired several rounds at Viera, killing the 56-year-old.

Miranda and Desiderio got back into the vehicle they arrived in and sped off with Wilson behind the wheel.

Police arrived to find Viera's body in the parking lot, and two others suffering from what officers described as minor injuries due to gunshot wounds. They suggested the incident could have been worse.

"There were approximately seven potential victims who were in the immediate (shot spread) of Viera's shotgun blast," police say in the documents.

Viera, struck multiple times, was lying on top of the shotgun. Several spent 9mm casings were near his body, as well as a shotgun shell and a cell phone that fell out of his right rear pocket.

Investigators learned about the text messages from Miranda after executing a search warrant on Viera's phone.

Shortly after the shooting, police received a call from a man who admitted to firing at Viera in self-defense. He told police the gun he used was in the saddlebag of his motorcycle parked in front of his residence.

Officers arrived at the residence, located the motorcycle and seized the gun. The documents say the man, who police have not identified, had numerous items consistent with being affiliated with the Hells Angels, but police have told The Californian the man is not an associate of the biker club.

The man was detained, but was not arrested or charged as witness statements and video evidence backed up his statement to police.

About 2 1/2 years ago, Viera had a highly publicized run-in with Hells Angels affiliates on Rosedale Highway.

In January 2016, two Hells Angels affiliates in a pickup followed Viera as he rode a motorcycle on Rosedale. When Viera stopped at a red light, one of the men pulled a knife and grabbed him.

Viera produced a knife of his own and twice stabbed the other man. Outnumbered, he then tried to get away by jumping onto the back of a passing pickup.

One of the Hells Angels affiliates entered a no contest plea to a misdemeanor assault charge. Charges were dropped against the other man.

Viera was not charged in the incident

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/28/us/a-brawl-between-motorcycle-gangs-turns-fatal-at-a-nevada-casino.html

A Brawl Between Motorcycle Gangs Turns Fatal at a Nevada Casino



Three men, all motorcycle gang members, were killed and about a dozen others were injured in a shooting and knifing brawl that broke out in Harrah's casino early this morning among rival bikers attending a huge annual motorcycle rally, the authorities said.

Another man, apparently also a biker, was found fatally shot this morning on Interstate 40 just across the border in California, said Sgt. Chris Darcy of the Las Vegas Police Department, which helps patrol Laughlin, a Colorado River gambling resort about 90 miles south of Las Vegas. It was not immediately clear whether his death was related to the casino shootings, the police said.

The police said the fight erupted when a member of the Mongol motorcycle gang walked into a group of Hells Angels near the casino entrance. Sixty to 70 people, armed with guns and knives, were involved, the authorities said.

All three of the dead were bikers, the police said, adding that numerous people were arrested and a handgun was recovered.

Several people at the rally said tensions had been brewing between members of the Hells Angels and the Mongols, and the fight had resulted from a territorial dispute. It was most likely the worst case of casino violence in the history of the state, Sergeant Darcy said.
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The shooting came on the first night of River Run, the annual motorcycle rally in Laughlin. The rally has been held for 20 years and is considered by its promoters to be the West's largest ride-in motorcycle show, drawing about 50,000 participants a year. It is directed primarily at Harley-Davidson fans, which means it attracts bikers from clubs around the country, who come to gape at new models and to ride up and down the strip.

Until late yesterday afternoon, about a hundred gang members were still sequestered inside the Harrah's casino, being questioned by the police.

''It's very difficult to track everything down,'' Sergeant Darcy said. ''It's not as if this was one person shooting one other person. There were many, many people involved.''

Outside, the main strip was humming with thousands of bikers undeterred by this morning's violence and gunning their Harley-Davidson hogs as they rode slowly past the site of the melee. Only a few stopped to crane their necks past the yellow police tape.

Across the street, bikers sat under the temporary awnings rigged off their campers and RV's, as billboard-size banners for Jim Beam and Coors fluttered behind them and the music of Lynyrd Skynyrd and Rush providing a tinny sound track that could only occasionally be heard over the desert wind.

The sign at the main entrance to town was still flashing a warning not to bring bottles or cans onto Laughlin Civic Drive. Also at the entrance was a notice that anyone younger than 16 was under curfew from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. The neon sign at Harrah's was still flashing the happy phrase: ''Welcome Bikers / 25 cent craps.''

The highways into and out of the town were closed after the brawl, which began around 2:15 this morning.

Denise Massey, 48, was gambling with her fiancé on the first floor of Harrah's when she noticed 20 to 30 bikers suddenly converge.

''Next thing you know you just hear 'Bam, bam, bam,' '' Ms. Massey told The Associated Press. ''All of a sudden they're running and just shooting at each other.''

According to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the Mongols are one of the most violent and criminally active motorcycle gangs in Southern California. Two years ago, the authorities arrested 29 Mongols on racketeering and other charges in Oklahoma, Georgia and California after an undercover operation in which an A.T.F. special agent infiltrated the club. During the investigation, the authorities recovered more than 70 firearms, including two machine guns.

Seven people injured in this morning's violence were sent to the Western Arizona Regional Medical Center across the river in Bullhead City, Ariz. University Medical Center in Las Vegas was treating five patients.

"Altar boys" indeed..

irrelevant, and your point is what?

Try reading what I replied to.

I did, why do you think I posted Irreverent and asked what your point is?

posting stuff that goes on between rival gangs proves what?

You might as well post things that goes on between the Gambino family and the Colombo family too in New York, except its irrelevant.

I get what you're trying to do, just because Greeneyes posted that in his area Hells Angels keeps themselves.

And many do unless rivals show up and usually when rivals shows up its not to inquire how they are doing they are their to kill.

The same cannot be said for MS 13, they are vicious and homicidal , how many murders have the hells angels MC been responsible for in 2017 compared to MS 13?

that was the point.

What Hell's Angels, and the Mongols do doesn't involve normal people like us.

Unless, of course you stand in their way. I went to a swap meet that turned into a gang fight. I stayed out of the line of fire, and just watched the show. Handlebars, exhaust pipes, crowbars, claw hammers, were the weapons of choice. They were good about not involving innocent bystanders.

I doubt that MS-!3 would be that way.

Well some here, claim that they're "altar boys". At least as compared to MS 13.

And maybe they are, on her home world, but I thought we were talking about planet Earth.

I see that we have to explain it like we are explaining things to an 8 year old who wants to eat Candy before dinner.

Greeneyes didnt claim they are alter boys, he said they are alter boys compared to the MS13.

As in they ( the H.A) are not as vicious as MS13.

If I walked by a Hell's Angels club and they are standing outside, 99.9% chances are I will not be harmed, harassed, shot, stabbed etc, unless I provoke them

The same thing cannot be said if I walked by a house with MS13 members standing outside, Im taking a chance and the odds are 50/50 if Im lucky that I will survive.

That was the point.

Well there are videos of HAs beheading people that pissed them off.

Care to see one?

Oh wait... Altar boys don't behead... WTF was I thinking?

and that brings me back to my original questions

how many murders have the H.A committed in 2017 compared to MS 13?

How many is enough to meet your standard?

For civilized people, one is too many, and more is a tragedy.

Good Lord, well you actually answered your own question, one innocent life is too many

If they want to kill each other, I say if you live by the gun well you know the rest.

Just leave them all dead in the street huh?

Well considering the times, I guess you could say it is the American way..

I say let gangsters kill each other, it saves the justice system time and money and lets the justice system focus on other crimes.

Most of those people, has something resembling a family. I say leave the kids dead in the street too.

Why prune a few branches, when you can chop down the entire family tree?

sonmething of a family eh?

you mean like Anthony Colombo was a member of the profaci crime family and his son Joe colombo took over and renamed the family the Colombo crime family who son was also a member of the family and his son was a member too 4 generations of mobsters.

why prune a few branches right?

Your reasoning..

They're no longer human beings..

Exterminators don't just kill a few ants. They destroy the entire colony.. Even the infants.

I haven't said they weren't human beings, I said they are worthless human beings and I dont value them.

if they want to live the criminal lifestyle more power to them, but when they cross into decent society it is a problem, when it affects my life that is a problem.

If they want to live by the gun they must be prepared to die by it too, whether its from Law enforcement, rivals gang members or within their own structure.

its like cockroaches Ive never lived in a place where they exist but Ive seen others and if you want to get rid of them you have to wipe them all out colony by colony .

Criminals are a plague on decent society if you haven't figured it out yet.

Right.

Going by that, we wipe out their progeny too..

You ready to look a 2 year old in the eye and blow it's brains out?