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Is it legal to own a anti aircraft missile defense system in the usa? Depends on the definition the government uses for "anti aircraft missile defense system." You can buy and build model rockets. You can buy and use drones. You can buy and use radar systems. You can go to school and learn computer programming and engineering. You can build drones and rockets and guidance systems. You could probably get away with having a system that "accidentally" happens to act as an anti aircraft missile defense system. It's going to take a lot of money. If it is reactively triggered you will most likely face murder charges for killing pilots and passengers and/or damaging property. You can't legally buy a "patriot anti aircraft missile defense system" from Raytheon without special permission from the government. It shouldn't be a problem hiring guards for all the schools, same as hiring armed police here in the UK. Many schools have limited students leaving campus on their free periods, they have strict dress code/uniform policies (e.g. uniforms, can't have swear words, no Trump support hats), they've funneled access points for entrance or egress, locking doors, can't leave class, visitors have to sign in and out, can't just hang around, they've put up metal detectors, done random locker searches, brought in drug sniffing dogs and police, some can do random drug tests, and now you want to put (maybe armed?) guards in the schools. Kids can't vote until they're 18, so their rights aren't all that recognized until then. Maybe we should just let the people running private prisons run the school system? Schools are effectively affecting the same safeguards. And as we all know, nothing bad ever happens in prisons because they are under constant monitoring, control who comes in and leaves, there are armed guards, guards control everything that comes in and out of prisons, and most money goes to prisoner reform/education, right? But will yield the point, there are no mass shootings in prisons. How does this look from the students perspective, rather than the parents/random adult civilians perspective for what they want to do to their children and how they want children to perceive it. Interesting. As for the pupils, I'm guessing some would say it's against there rights to be treated like that, I agree with it though 
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REally? Las vegs -Paddock had LEGALLY OBTAINED AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. florida nightclub -Mateen had LEGALLY OBTAINED Sig rifle and Glock Virginia tech killer had LEGALLY OBTAINED Glock Adam Lanza DID TAKE parents weapons The church shooter DEVIN was sold an AR 556 from a licensed dealer/store Nikolas Cruz used an AR 15 that he bought LEGALLY from a gun shop The AR15 used by Malik and Farook were LEGALLY PURCHSED the AR15 and the Glock that Holmes used to shoot up the theater were LEGALLY PURCHASED the list goes on and on when it comes to these MASS SHOOTINGS the weapons have not usually been 'stolen by criminals' but obtained by citizens who had not yet been considered 'criminals' and therefore permitted these types of weapons with no consideration of their history of illness or violence. And I have conceded I in no way believe any law STOPS any type of crime completely, but may make it less simple for such crimes to be committed but many homicides have been, just because they haven't made the national news doesn't mean it doesnt exists. Mass shootings by strangers makes up the least % in gun homicides and since you mentioned those killers what do they all have in common? In case you are wondering? mental health issues. Normal people don't go around killing people for the sake of killing me people. ask your friend Igor since he is the self proclaimed historian, how many mass shootings have there in America since her birth? will he include the The 1873 Colfax Massacre, 1903 in Winfield Kansas a gun man named Gilbert Twigg opened fire during a concert killing 9 people. America has a history of mass killings, whether by gun, bombs,racially motivated like the The Ocoee massacre in 1920. So the question is how do we stop the violence? or can you? |
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REally? Las vegs -Paddock had LEGALLY OBTAINED AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. florida nightclub -Mateen had LEGALLY OBTAINED Sig rifle and Glock Virginia tech killer had LEGALLY OBTAINED Glock Adam Lanza DID TAKE parents weapons The church shooter DEVIN was sold an AR 556 from a licensed dealer/store Nikolas Cruz used an AR 15 that he bought LEGALLY from a gun shop The AR15 used by Malik and Farook were LEGALLY PURCHSED the AR15 and the Glock that Holmes used to shoot up the theater were LEGALLY PURCHASED the list goes on and on when it comes to these MASS SHOOTINGS the weapons have not usually been 'stolen by criminals' but obtained by citizens who had not yet been considered 'criminals' and therefore permitted these types of weapons with no consideration of their history of illness or violence. And I have conceded I in no way believe any law STOPS any type of crime completely, but may make it less simple for such crimes to be committed but many homicides have been, just because they haven't made the national news doesn't mean it doesnt exists. Mass shootings by strangers makes up the least % in gun homicides and since you mentioned those killers what do they all have in common? In case you are wondering? mental health issues. Normal people don't go around killing people for the sake of killing me people. ask your friend Igor since he is the self proclaimed historian, how many mass shootings have there in America since her birth? will he include the The 1873 Colfax Massacre, 1903 in Winfield Kansas a gun man named Gilbert Twigg opened fire during a concert killing 9 people. America has a history of mass killings, whether by gun, bombs,racially motivated like the The Ocoee massacre in 1920. So the question is how do we stop the violence? or can you? Personally, I don't think you can stop it! You can only limit the damage or amount of deaths by prompt intervention. Same as terrorist attacks. yes Intel can stop most but you can have all the armed police in the world on the streets but the first you know of an attack is when the bomb goes off! |
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REally? Las vegs -Paddock had LEGALLY OBTAINED AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. florida nightclub -Mateen had LEGALLY OBTAINED Sig rifle and Glock Virginia tech killer had LEGALLY OBTAINED Glock Adam Lanza DID TAKE parents weapons The church shooter DEVIN was sold an AR 556 from a licensed dealer/store Nikolas Cruz used an AR 15 that he bought LEGALLY from a gun shop The AR15 used by Malik and Farook were LEGALLY PURCHSED the AR15 and the Glock that Holmes used to shoot up the theater were LEGALLY PURCHASED the list goes on and on when it comes to these MASS SHOOTINGS the weapons have not usually been 'stolen by criminals' but obtained by citizens who had not yet been considered 'criminals' and therefore permitted these types of weapons with no consideration of their history of illness or violence. And I have conceded I in no way believe any law STOPS any type of crime completely, but may make it less simple for such crimes to be committed And the 700 or so people murdered in Chicago each year by criminals using guns... were they legal guns?. would some sort of law.. actually any sort of law, stop that from happening. The lawless do not care about laws. neither do the psychopaths. And you are missing the point. more laws will stop nothing, the mass shooters had little or no intension of actually living thru the carnage they created, They knew full well they would be caught or killed. They wanted to be known for what they did. so you really think that having laws in place to identify them is some sort of deterrent...after the fact... really? How so? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 05/21/18 12:09 PM
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REally? Las vegs -Paddock had LEGALLY OBTAINED AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. florida nightclub -Mateen had LEGALLY OBTAINED Sig rifle and Glock Virginia tech killer had LEGALLY OBTAINED Glock Adam Lanza DID TAKE parents weapons The church shooter DEVIN was sold an AR 556 from a licensed dealer/store Nikolas Cruz used an AR 15 that he bought LEGALLY from a gun shop The AR15 used by Malik and Farook were LEGALLY PURCHSED the AR15 and the Glock that Holmes used to shoot up the theater were LEGALLY PURCHASED the list goes on and on when it comes to these MASS SHOOTINGS the weapons have not usually been 'stolen by criminals' but obtained by citizens who had not yet been considered 'criminals' and therefore permitted these types of weapons with no consideration of their history of illness or violence. And I have conceded I in no way believe any law STOPS any type of crime completely, but may make it less simple for such crimes to be committed but many homicides have been, just because they haven't made the national news doesn't mean it doesnt exists. Mass shootings by strangers makes up the least % in gun homicides and since you mentioned those killers what do they all have in common? In case you are wondering? mental health issues. Normal people don't go around killing people for the sake of killing me people. ask your friend Igor since he is the self proclaimed historian, how many mass shootings have there in America since her birth? will he include the The 1873 Colfax Massacre, 1903 in Winfield Kansas a gun man named Gilbert Twigg opened fire during a concert killing 9 people. America has a history of mass killings, whether by gun, bombs,racially motivated like the The Ocoee massacre in 1920. So the question is how do we stop the violence? or can you? I don't think we should live by a minimalist mantra of 'it could be worse' or 'nothing makes any difference'. How many mass killings should be the number to cause concern? Should lethal status quos remain indefinitely only because of how long they have already existed or in how many places? No. we cant 'stop' all violence, and I cannot 'stop' all violence, yet we can care enough to do what we can to curb and deter it. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 05/21/18 12:06 PM
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REally? Las vegs -Paddock had LEGALLY OBTAINED AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. florida nightclub -Mateen had LEGALLY OBTAINED Sig rifle and Glock Virginia tech killer had LEGALLY OBTAINED Glock Adam Lanza DID TAKE parents weapons The church shooter DEVIN was sold an AR 556 from a licensed dealer/store Nikolas Cruz used an AR 15 that he bought LEGALLY from a gun shop The AR15 used by Malik and Farook were LEGALLY PURCHSED the AR15 and the Glock that Holmes used to shoot up the theater were LEGALLY PURCHASED the list goes on and on when it comes to these MASS SHOOTINGS the weapons have not usually been 'stolen by criminals' but obtained by citizens who had not yet been considered 'criminals' and therefore permitted these types of weapons with no consideration of their history of illness or violence. And I have conceded I in no way believe any law STOPS any type of crime completely, but may make it less simple for such crimes to be committed And the 700 or so people murdered in Chicago each year by criminals using guns... were they legal guns?. would some sort of law.. actually any sort of law, stop that from happening. The lawless do not care about laws. neither do the psychopaths. And you are missing the point. more laws will stop nothing, the mass shooters had little or no intension of actually living thru the carnage they created, They knew full well they would be caught or killed. They wanted to be known for what they did. so you really think that having laws in place to identify them is some sort of deterrent...after the fact... really? How so? Once again, I will repeat that laws are not in place due to some belief that they will 'end' anything. they are there to curb and deter, and to assist in naming the crime to prosecute and the sentencing guidelines. I think that laws/regulations will decrease the numbers by decreasing the EASE with which they can occur. I believe laws/regulations will decrease the number by having larger obstacles in place to prevent those without the stability and responsibility from getting their hands on these types of weapons LEGALLY. People will still break the laws, sure, but that shouldnt be deterrent by itself for creating them or encouragement to continue LEGALLY ASSISTING them in harming others. |
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ms.harmony,
except the existing laws are not deterring the violence in Chicago is it? Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, how is that working for them? which laws on the books deter criminal activity that uses violence? which laws deters the mentally unstable from getting weapons and killing innocent people? I have to bring up Olivers post again 'You can't change human behavior by regulating mechanical devices. . . what makes you think adding new laws will deter the gun violence we see today,provide some evidence please. |
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ms.harmony, except the existing laws are not deterring the violence in Chicago is it? Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, how is that working for them? which laws on the books deter criminal activity that uses violence? which laws deters the mentally unstable from getting weapons and killing innocent people? I have to bring up Olivers post again 'You can't change human behavior by regulating mechanical devices. . . what makes you think adding new laws will deter the gun violence we see today,provide some evidence please. Chicago is quite a popular outlier and has its own issues, primarily the fact that CITY laws are not gonna be as much as a deterrent as federal laws, because it is so easy to smuggle in and shop around elsewhere. There is also extreme desperation and poverty in Chicago which fuel motivation. the majority of guns used in Chicago crimes are actually NOT FROM Chicago but from more lenient cities and states. Human behavior is complex and can absolutely be altered through reward and punishment and other stimulus. but that is a discussion for another day. as it pertains to this topic of gun control, the laws are not seeking to 'change human behavior' but to regulate a product(like most products are) so that it does a minimal harm to others. |
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ahhh so you want laws that turn guns that fire lead bullets into guns that fire corks. i see now
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ahhh so you want laws that turn guns that fire lead bullets into guns that fire corks. i see now ummm ... thats interesting paraphrasing there buddy ....lol |
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tht's the only way regulating the device is going to stop deaths
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Breaking news from Ireland, Cork man drowned!
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pretty water logged cork man he must have been
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 05/21/18 01:29 PM
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tht's the only way regulating the device is going to stop deaths again, I have never argued or believed a law to 'stop' anything. laws against pedophilia havent stopped kids from being molested, people will always be around molesting kids, but it still is setting standards and supporting prosecution and consequence to have laws against it. laws against theft havent STOPPPED people from stealing, people will always be around who steal, but it it still sets the standard and supports the prosecution and consequence to have laws against it. laws havent stopped underage driving or drinking, underaged people will always be around getting their hands on cars and liquor, but it still sets a standard and supports the prosecution and consequence to have regulations regarding the LEGALLY accepted standards to engage in those activities. and the list goes on and on. Laws probably arent written with any rational person believing they will put a total END to anything, but they are necessary nonetheless to have a justice system of prosecution and consequence and sometimes even deterrents in place. |
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really. murder and mass murder are already codified and thus provide the means for prosecution and yet murder and mass murder are not deterred
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well that is wonderful Ms.Harmony that and 7 dollars will get you a grande frappuccino at starbucks.
Look, the reality most people are law abiding citizens, that isnt the problem, the problem is the small percentage who are not and do the most damage. Stricter gun laws federal, municipal or state will not prevent people from getting guns. Actually let me take that back, It will prevent some people from getting guns, so they will improvise and use other devices like a rented Van, like what happened in my city last year and up in Toronto earlier this year. Or they will methods like Mcvie and those scumbag Boston marathon bombers. but since this about Guns, why dont you be honest and put your cards on the table, you want to eliminate certain types of weapons period. |
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really. murder and mass murder are already codified and thus provide the means for prosecution and yet murder and mass murder are not deterred I think this topic has people throwing in every possible tangent. I know MURDER and MASS MURDER are specific crimes and have prosecution. However, the TOOLS used are too easily attainable to those who have no business with them. That has not been adequately addressed by current laws or regulations. Just as there are regulations on the types of cars permitted on the roads and the requirements for who will be permitted to drive. it is common sense for regulations on the types of GUNS permitted in civilian communities and the requirements for who will be permitted to attain them. Better checks need to be done into the psychological history and history of violence against self and others. and better regulations need to be in place for the types of WEAPONS that are legally being dispensed in civilian communities. IMHO. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 05/21/18 01:52 PM
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well that is wonderful Ms.Harmony that and 7 dollars will get you a grande frappuccino at starbucks. Look, the reality most people are law abiding citizens, that isnt the problem, the problem is the small percentage who are not and do the most damage. Stricter gun laws federal, municipal or state will not prevent people from getting guns. Actually let me take that back, It will prevent some people from getting guns, so they will improvise and use other devices like a rented Van, like what happened in my city last year and up in Toronto earlier this year. Or they will methods like Mcvie and those scumbag Boston marathon bombers. but since this about Guns, why dont you be honest and put your cards on the table, you want to eliminate certain types of weapons period. Yes. I do believe the purpose and location of use should be a part of the regulations for gun sales. I believe those who have them should have the documented purpose of how they will be used (like car insurance) and then regulated by the stated specs of the weapon being used. just like a Car that goes three hundred miles an hour has no business on the roads in the US where that is not the speed limit anywhere. There are weapons that have no business in civilian communities where there is no rational legal use for them. I also want to see guns not placed so easily in the hands of the unstable, regardless of type. My brothers have guns and my mother. I am not against guns AT ALL, I do not support BANNING any and all guns or even most guns, Im for honesty and common sense use and regulations. |
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Yes. I do believe the purpose and location of use should be a part of the regulations for gun sales. I believe those who have them should have the documented purpose of how they will be used (like car insurance) and then regulated by the stated specs of the weapon being used. just like a Car that goes three hundred miles an hour has no business on the roads in the US where that is not the speed limit anywhere. There are weapons that have no business in civilian communities where there is no rational legal use for them. I also want to see guns not placed so easily in the hands of the unstable, regardless of type. My brothers have guns and my mother. I am not against guns AT ALL, I do not support BANNING any and all guns or even most guns, Im for honesty and common sense use and regulations. purpose or location of use should be regulated? wow There are only 3 reason why people have guns Ms.harmony. Defense, sport or hunting. The car analogy is silly , because F1 cars are legal to drive on the road but its not made for street traffic, it takes 8 engineers to star the car and it cant operate in speeds under 100 miles an hour for a long period of time. F1 are made for certain tracks not the street road or highway/freeways. You want guns out of the mental stable hand but you have not offered any solutions You say certain weapons Im assuming you mean AR 15's dont belong, but most women find it easier to handle. |
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and why would an ar 15 a semiautomatic rifle be singled out? one trigger pull one fire just like a springfield 30.06 hunting rifle
because it looks like the full auto m16 military rifle? |
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