Good Evening my lovely people of M2, before I get started I'm try this again, my last transgender topics started great I thought another one of my mega hit topics kicking off then I flagged due to no me, but my " Vocal Avengers" viper towards each other. So let's keep it cordial so we can talk about the stuff I like to bring to the forefront. Voice but keep the non sense out so we can be heard! okay, I came across another article today talking about " What The Military Ban Says About Transgender Youth" want to serve our military. The article went on talking about in June 2016, the Sectary of Defense Ash Carter announces that the U.S. Military will lift the ban On its Transgender service members, he stated 3 main reasons.

One
The military needs all its talents possible.

Two
Transgender already serving so now they can serve without the stigma.

Three
American's that wants to serve can serve & meet the standards can.

So America think about if you know someone LGBT or living there life as the opposite sex and want to serve our military, well now its okay. The article mainly saying that they always been there just like in sports, politics, & religion. So on that note America, how you feel about the ban lift? Is a step towards a new world America? Is we as citizens in this country moving together they way the civil rights leaders in the past dreamed? Or Is you opposed this? you old school, you have your reasons but you not liking this new direction at all? So let's talk about it?

All replies will be answered back!

Thank you Kindly
EuAmYourHost39

EyeAmYourHost39,

I think its great, I mean this country still has some work to do but its nice to see laws are being passed to make lives easier. Just like the women's Lib movement in the 70's was influential, just like the Negro segregation in the south, the Mexican worker's union, & now the LGBT time is now! Good for you guys.

Regardless which gender they decide they are. If they can pass the test according to the Military Physical/Mentally then they should be able to join..

This is nothing more then what women had to go through in order to enlist as well...then again in order to go into combat.

As long as they can do the job before them that they gave their oath to maintain fully then there is no reason gender should matter..

Your not in the Military for a fashion show uniform rules must always be enforced..

TxsGal3333,

I agree with you. See i see it like because the identifying as the other sex should they still serve. I mean as long as they healthy mentally physically hell let them join. Right now the way Trump being pissing other countries off we gonna need every solder we can get. Another thing, check me out txsgal, if a transgender man living as a woman can guard my life better than a straight guy with an ego then i honor it.

Kristin Beck, a former Navy SEAL Team 6 member who publicly came out as transgender in 2013, had some tough criticism for President Trump’s plan to reinstate a ban on transgender individuals serving in the military.

“Let’s meet face to face and you tell me I’m not worthy,” Kristin Beck, a 20-year Navy veteran and the first openly transgender former SEAL, told Business Insider on Wednesday. “Transgender doesn’t matter. Do your service.”


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/26/kristin-beck-transgender-former-seal-team-6-member/

Who gives a crap about gender identification when what counts is ..... a comrade in uniform has your back.

KarmaFury,

First welcome back to this contraversal hot tea here. Secondly i love your passion. I agree who cares about how you live your life. Pick up the gun, throw the grenades. Pass me the tiger pistol. Im going in......if a transgender person war planned like this i feel safer.

EyeAmYourHost39,

America like i said before its a new world. Feelings matter.....equality is in effect. I know we have alot more work to do to bring this country back to greatness. Its not about how you live your life. Its not who you choose to sleep with or date. But it is a foot step forward. I mean if we can put a man on the moon we can change laws to make lives easier. I dont have to be gay to support what the LGBT movement is doing. I believe the future is the youth. O.Gs like me we had our time. We accomplish so much talking my generation. Now let the youth pay dues in our society so they can leave there babies a legacy.if somebody different instead of knocking them, tearing them down try to understand were they coming from. Thats what destroyed this country too is fear. Fear of race. Fear of women coming up in our jobs our homes how they are law makers now. Get out of that. I still think being different is a choice but i will not judge. Only god does that. I want see everybody have a period of reign. Love each other. Teach your kids its okay to be you. Spread it i bet you all the money i have this country will gain its superiority again in this world.

I think that i s the elephant in the room...
Is a transgender person really patriotic in its service of our country???? Or are they in it because transgender operations are very expensive and we will be footing the bill?? Personally, they should pay for their own operations. That's like a guy saying, I'll serve, but I need a bigger pee pee!!!

I don't like paying taxes...i hate the thought that transgender people get a free ride because of why???? They are special??? They deserve preferential treatment?????...no way.

I'm just curious. Where is the line drawn?

I have no issue with anyones orientation. That's all them.

I served in the military and went thru boot camp.

Does a man that is transgender go to the men's barracks or the woman's barracks? And...Vice Versa?

If that distinction is still made according to physical build then what does that say for a person's transgender lifestyle if they must bunk as male or female (which ever they actually are)?

A man, that is transgender to female will be bunked in the men's barracks. Bunked in the mens quarters after boot and if in the Navy, on ships that are all men. Your fisrt physicall will classify you as a man or woman.

Granted Its been 35 years since I was in boot camp and things have changed, I'm sure. Did they remodel all the barracks to allow for dual gender occupants?

After boot camp, while in homeport or stationed at a duty station I could see it working but there are some ops/locations that it wouldn't work. Especially females playing as men.

It just isn't making sense to me?

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-04-09/news/9304090213_1_recruiter-discrimination-military-services

1st the article is dating a decision made under the old SOD in 2016

The current Secretary of defense is not Ashton Carter.

Second, the issue of anatomy is simple and should not be ignored, in my opinion. I truly do not want a penis next to me in private areas where I am in different stages of undress, which should not be hard to relate to for a 'transgender' as they apparently do not want that either.

That being said, the military has to share very close quarters with each other. I would totally UNDERSTAND if they voted that they did not want to share those quarters with opposite ANATOMY people, whatever they believe they are. I can understand if they do not mind opposite anatomy being ENLISTED and sharing quarters with like anatomy solders as well.

Yet, I do believe it is a decision that should be taken to vote amongst the military, since they are the ones who have to live with the consequences. Perhaps people who don't mind being required to blindly follow orders to kill complete strangers have a mindset that can overlook anatomy.

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgendered-men-dont-become-women-they-become

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/08/the_few_the_pride_from_gender_neutrality_to_gender_fluidity_in_the_military.html

August 2, 2017
The few, the 'pride': From gender neutrality to gender fluidity in the military
By Ilana Mercer

President Trump's July 26 LGBTQ directives signaled his intention to ban the politicized transgender production from the theater of war.

LGBTQ is a political program why? Central to the concept of "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Questioning" in the military is the idea of a group whose members have chosen to identify not as Private X or Private Z, but as a party to a political fraternity that promises and delivers an aggressive, noisy sexual identity politics.

Evangelizing for the cause is implicit in the introduction of this political production into the military. Ditto payment for drastic elective surgical procedures and the attendant hormonal maintenance.

In other words, LGBTQ in the military isn't about enhancing a fighting force; it's about introducing another state-driven reformation program. Egalitarian access here aims, inadvertently (as always), to grow an arm of government and, at the same time, "re-educate" the country.

Moreover, LGBTQ in the military is but another "[d]raconian social policy [enforced] without showing any interest in – and in many cases actively suppressing – good-faith information about how those policies [are] playing out at ground level," in the prescient words of Stephanie Gutmann, author of "The Kinder, Gentler Military: Can America's Gender-Neutral Fighting Force Still Win Wars?"

As trailblazing as Ms. Gutmann's shoe-leather investigation was, back then, into the way women had transformed the military, its morale, and its readiness – never could this author have imagined that from gender neutrality, the military would move into the even Braver New World of gender fluidity.

Gutmann saddled "Presidents George Bush and Bill Clinton, Secretaries of Defense Richard Cheney, Les Aspin, and William Cohen, the Congresses who wrote and passed the bills they signed, and the Pentagon leadership who just grinned nervously and sat on their hands while all of this was going on."

What were the fatal conceits of these leaders and their legislation?

One of the projects mesmerizing the brass throughout the nineties was the integration of women. ... [T]he nineties were a decade in which the brass handed over their soldiers to social planners in love with an unworkable (and in many senses undesirable) vision of a politically correct utopia, one in which men and women toil side by side, equally good at the same tasks, interchangeable, and, of course, utterly undistracted by sexual interest."

"[W]omen have been in the forces since ... well ... forever," observed Gutmann. "But something new happened in the nineties in respect to the way the military handled 'women's issues.'" The goals "changed from making good use of the relatively small numbers of women the military had been attracting over the years, to achieving what President Clinton and Secretary of the Army Togo West [had] called 'a force that looks like America.'"

The rest is history. The "New Army," as it was openly termed, was created, "the warrior culture" obliterated, replaced with a weepy sensitivity. What appalled Ms. Gutmann was, again, the utter disinterest expressed by "the big boys (and a few big girls)" "in the hearts and minds of soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen in various ways during the last half of the nineties."

This craven indifference is still apparent today and is evinced in leadership's reaction to President Trump's transgender-policy impetus. When Sen. Orrin Hatch, joined by GOP leaders, scolded the president regarding his transgender ban – did he and they show any interest in "good-faith information" about how transsexualism "plays out at ground level," to echo Gutmann's charge against political and military leadership circa 2000?

Do these arch social planners give a hoot about how flesh-and-blood men interact with a mate who suddenly grows breasts and bats eyelashes at a buddy? And how do these layered dynamics affect life-and-death situations?

Still, LGBTQ in the military is inconsequential by now. It's a minor matter in a spent force, shot through with punitive sexual politics, hobbled and demoralized by the needs of women, as interpreted by military and political leadership.

When all is said and done, LGBTQ is a fig leaf, camouflaging that the army was neutered by "recruiting nineties style," where nothing less than "proportional representation" of women became the recruiting goal. The official line then became "something like, 'We want you [ladies] to join us; we want you to stay with us. Tell us what you don't feel 'comfortable' with so we can change it."

And they did.

RobXBox37,

Welcome back, well to answer your questions. transgenders are people too. the military is just there careers not who they are. I can only imagine the procedures cost. Fars as who front the bill, well I don't think its up to us taxpayers. most men who living life as women make a great enough living to support there surgery.

Conrad_73



Love the cup of thunder......wait wait, that's not a shot of my hot tea?.,........lol

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Something tells me it won't work.

Alleoops,


Nice pictures......

that punk in the military prison for leaking secrets, bradly manning, is now ashley maning, thanks to the taxpayers dime,while it was in prison...the taxpayers had no say in that mistake...