Let them serve in the USO passing out coffee and donuts. They have no place in an active combat unit. If there status as a transgender was ever figured out they wouldn't last 10 minutes in heavy combat before one of their "buddies" ended their time on earth.

Queen -I want to break free
Watch the video

Mikey4YouSweety,

Queen is a good parody for this topic. My answer is be Tim Curry as the Rocky Horror Show....lol.

Lol good one.
Just shows this is not a new topic, Freddie was in to it for real back in the 70's!
Strange how a celebrity can be one but if jo public does it there's an outcry!

Your topic is the new version of the quote I made previously.
I'm certain they would be open to black mail and other intimidating situations. If they were "not out "
There is enough testosterone one upmanship that leads to a "picking order " just amongst the guys!

Highway is right...Unit cohesion is the key to any effective unit. Having a guy taking pills that kill his testosterone to make him prepare to have his wee wee chopped off, is not a guy you want in the military. If the **** hits the fan, that guy would more than likely end up dead. Simply because he would hurt himself or get he and his buddies killed... I would not want him in my fire team. You want to be trans and serve???...ok.
Get were you belong...
In the rear with the gear...no that was not a bisexual shot....even though it is true....it was not.....funny though...

Which goes back to what I mentioned previously about support roles.

For instance, one veteran I know personally was talking about lower fitness standards for women. He said that anyone in combat -- women included -- needs to be able to drag or carry an wounded comrade out of harm's way. If a person cannot physically do so, then it will undermine confidence within the squad.

To non-combatants, that may seem harsh, but consider all the different scenarios. For instance, this soldier had his MRAP blown up. He and another soldier survived unscathed. But in the shock of what happened, all they knew to do (and to preserve their wits) was to begin searching the wreckage for wounded comrades. That included picking up and moving big heavy pieces of armor plating, doors, etc. If a soldier cannot do that, not only the lives of the wounded are at stake. For every minute the squad remains exposed, the risk to everyone's lives can rise exponentially. The quicker the job gets done, the sooner everyone in the squad can be saved.

Actionlynx,
I couldn't agree more bro!

Totally agree. I never served but come from a very long line of military

The truth is, you wouldn't give a flying puck if the soldier lifting a 1" armored plate off your head is gay, lesbian, bi or trans. Nothing else in the world matters more at that moment, the plate coming off your head.

John111

John my friend im not homophobic. I dont see the big deal. Im not gay but im not the most high. Only he could judge. I treat people the way i want to be treated.whose to say being black shouldnt serve in the military. Whose to say me being a german immigrant shouldnt live here.

Eye, if the black, German immigrant can't get the plate off my head

I'd be the first to say he shouldn't be serving in the military.

Nothing else matters

Context, sir.

You obviously leaped in without reading the whole thread. If you had, then you would have read my previous posts, and understood the context to which the post you've referred applied.

I'm just rolling with where the discussion goes. And right now, I'm saying - in conjunction with my earlier posts - that if a person can meet the fitness levels required for combat, then that person should NOT be withheld from combat due to discrimination. Furthermore, if they do not meet the fitness requirement, then there must be some kind of support role they are still capable of performing.

I have further mentioned that if the person continually places I before We, then it will breed disunity within that person's unit.

I have mentioned that such a person already knows what they are signing onto when he or she enlists. Complaining about it during boot camp only makes the individual look bad. Get the ducks in a row before enlisting. Boot camp is not the time for pushing personal agendas, and neither is combat duty. These are matters best left for inactive duty, reserve duty, or after discharge.

So yes, the military should NOT discriminate, but at the same time, a person shouldn't be joining the military to pursue his or her own social/political agenda. I've already admitted that I believe some changes are made in the military. HOW some people pursue those changes, however, often backfires by creating backlash and resentment.

Well, John111,
Ya missed the point of the post..again.
These trans want to get their trans surgery bill footed by the American Taxpayer...Maybe that's cool in the Canadian Socialist Republic...but were not homophobic because we protest this overreach of government.

Another point you missed was....If these transgender swishers are taking hormones...then they are losing testosterone.... I'm pretty sure you understand that that DOES NOT make you stronger....soooooo 9 times out of ten that trans won't be qualified for battle, so you WON'T have to worry about somebody pulling that Armour plate off your hockey puck brain. You should remember our President does not come from a long line of commie leftists like Canada's Vichy president. He a guy that we put in there to **** with the DEEP STATE that keeps ****ing with middle America...I don't care if other countries don't like them....i personally don't care. He works for US.

Xboxrob says part of it but the real issue is the people's unwavering demand to make the government accommodate minority aspirations that could jeopardize our military effectiveness.

That leads to the bigger issue of all establishments being required to accommodate minorities to their detriment.

Making an exception to one minority's demands sets precedent that could make all minority demands justified.

I am not talking about race or religion.
I am talking about illusion and delusion.

The military could accommodate trans-genders but if it does, it won't be the trans-gender population that does the most damage.
It will be the fact that they made special consideration for something under pressure to appease a limited demographic of the nation it represents.
That opens the door for any group to be accommodated.

Next thing you know, the 420 group will be demanding special accommodations. The military will have to comply because they supported the trans-genders.

It already happened with race and religion.
I'm not talking about just blacks, there are many races and nationalities serving.
It happened with females.
These changes occurred and were accepted because the candidates could function as military fighting units. Aside from the gender requirements, very little had to be changed.

With truly trans-gender service members special accommodations would be required. We already discussed them in this topic.

Imagine all the changes that would be needed if the military accommodated every small interest group and their needs. What would happen to our effectiveness as a fighting force (the whole reason for having a military).

While it may be a simple thing to accommodate every group in the business world, the military relies on uniformity to be effective.
The military has business attributes but those are secondary to their primary mission.

it makes sense, one is doing it to merely entertain, the other is doing it and insisting its not insane,,,

simplest answer, ignore differences (its the modern conditioning everywhere else)

let those who apply have to pass the same tests

let those who are accepted have to accept the rules of the military which align people based upon ANATOMY,,,,

no investment in a bunch of adjustments,, just continue with the effective military guidelines already in place, those that can do the job should do it but not with an expectation of an exception for their 'differences'

True ms
But in the days of Freddie Mercury I think with him it wasn't only entertainment, and many others were practicing it discreetly, as gays used to do.
I also think transgender and similar are harder to comprehend for people having only just come to terms with gay /lesbian.

what highway was suggesting was fratricide, go agree with him all you want, if the soldier is fighting, trust that he has crossed all the hurdles of physical fitness and mental well being, suggesting fratricide puts serious doubts about somebody's mental state.

I have news for you champ, your armed forces have been fighting alongside gays, lesbians and Trans for a really really long time... go ahead and bury your head about it, banning people who want to serve and protect their country is flawed and when draft time comes, they'll be thrilled to have the queers serve in a fighting capacity.

Your post is so one sided, you're weirdly focused on a Male to Female type but the reverse is true too... the Female to Male Trans, why have you discounted that segment? I'll tell you why, insecurity, the discussion somehow threatens your masculinity and the mere thought of a Man wanting to be a Woman does not compute with you in the military realm.

Finally this quote


Hurt himself? So absurd, this Hetero wants to highlight how wrong you are, you should keep your phobia in chq and stop replying to be about my government this or my government that... it's puckin stoopid!