Part II Science

This is the second part of series on Creation Vs. Evolution:

In this section I will talk about science. If you go to a large library, you will find many books about science. If you go to a large library, you will find Good science books. You will also find many, which have a little poison mixed in with the truths about nature and the universe. It is not the 98% good food I am against, it is the poison mixed in. I like to read about nature but I can’t always trust the books because to often facts are ignored to endorse an agenda.

I am not against science books just the ones that contain the poison. Let me read to you what is published in a 1st grade text book. “The earth has changed much since its formation 4.5 billion years ago. Some life on earth has adapted to these changes.” Come on, is the earth 4.5 billion years old? Absolutely not! But if you tell that to a 1st grader, he/she
is going to believe you. 1st graders believe everything you tell them. Dr. Stephen Meyer the outspoken creationist
say buy the time a young adult figures out evolution is a lie, supported by nothing, they are humanists much of the time and could care less about faith in something else that could let them down. Athists know, you keep poisoning the young mind until it believes whatever you say. 2nd grade science book read, “since it formation 4.5 billion years ago, there is organic evolution, Original life .

Life has to get started from non-living material, even today, nobody has said how that could happen. Then we are told about macro-evolution that is where an animal changes to a different kind of animal. Has anyone here ever witnessed the birth of an animal? Even human? Did the animal resemble its mother’s kind? No one has ever seen a dog produce anything but dogs. Dogs are probably the animal more people pay attention too then any other animal, even if the dog, wolf, coyote had a common ancestor every 1st grader knows they are the same kind of animal. The bible says the animals are going to bring forth after their KIND. The dog the wold are the same kind of animal but there are different species.

Darwin tried to fool everybody in his book Origin of Species by changing the work KIND to Species. Then lastly, we are encouraged to believe in micro-evolution. This is changes with the KINDS. Animals can produce a whole variety of offspring, long hair, short hair, long legged, short legged, that happens. But the first five are purely religious. Cosmic evolution, chemical evolution, stellar and planetary evolution, organic evolution, macro evolution, are all religion not science. We never have observed any of those in action. So to be a good witness for the Creator and stand firm in a debate, define first what you are debating as far as these evolution theories go? You will find that evolutionist give examples of # 6 only, micro evolution. Changes with the dog family. Problem is the debater usually implies micro-evolution is evidence for the other 5. It is not evidence.

The teachers are taught to stress the earth is billions of years old, make sure the kids believe this since the intention is that if you have enough time anything can happen. But if these haven’t happened in all the years man has been observing creation why should anyone believe it is going to happen tomorrow.

Don’t you think in science class, we should be
teaching science. The results, of clear observations.
Things we can observe and test and study and demonstrate. Things like the 1st law of thermodynamics.

The scientific law, not theory, tells us “Matter cannot be created or destroyed.” If matter cannot be created or destroyed then how did the world get here? “Were here, you know” So that leaves on 2 choices. 1) Somebody made the world or 2) The world made itself. You can believe the Bible, which says God made the world with his hands, or can believe the humanists who say the world created itself.

Humanists regard the universe as “self-existing and not created.” This quote is from the Humanist Manifesto Tenet#1. Well, if the world made itself how could this happen? The devil thought for along time and finally he came up with the big bang theory. It is rather obsurd what is published today and being taught to our kids.

“Earth has changed.” In addition to (the planets) physical changes, life too, has evolved on earth.” The word evolved is a very tricky word. There are 6 meanings to the word and only one meaning is scientific. When someone speaks to you regarding evolution ask them what they mean? For some speak of cosmic evolution: The origin of time, space and matter. Also referred to as the Big Bang. Some believe it, I don’t. Then there is chemical evolution: The origin of higher elements from hydrogen the big band was to produce hydrogen and some helium, but how did we get the other 105 elements? Did they evolve? Are we to believe uranium evolved from hydrogen?

The 3rd theory is stellar and planetary evolution: The origin of stars and planets. How did the star form? No one has even seen a star form. Scientists don’t even have a clue how a star could form. There are not even good theories on how a star could form. What happens all the time is vona and supernova, and that is when a star explodes. Man is constantly looking into the heavens and we see the stars exploding, not forming. Did you know that there are enough stars that every person on earth could claim 1 trillion stars for their own. Those are the ones we know about, thanks to the Hubble Telescope and fast computers. (psalm 147) tells us the “Lord determines the number of the stars and calls each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; His understanding has no limit.” Wow he named them all, has anyone named 11 trillion?

Fourthly there is organic evolution: the origin of life. Life had to get started from non-living material. Even today, nobody has a clue how that could happen. Then are are told about macro-evolution. That is where an animal changes to different kinds of animals. Nobody has ever seen a dog poduce anyting but dogs.

The Pretae Hall General Science book say “about 18 to 20 billion years ago all the matter in the universe was concentrated into one very dense, very hot region that may have been smaller then a period on this page. For some unknown reason the region exploded. This explosion called the Big Bang goes on to say this is how the galaxies formed in the universe. By the way universe is form from 2 latin words uni-means single verse- means spoken sentence. Did you know we live in a single spoken sentence? “God said let there be.” But that is so different from the public school science book which says 18 to 20 billion years ago all the matter in the universe was concentrated into a dot on this page. What? That is one crowded dot. Do you see this planet squished into the tip of your pen? That isn’t the end of it. EarthScience text book say after many billions of years, all the matter and energy will once again be packed into a small area. This area may be no longer then the period at the end of this sentence. Then another big bang will occur. Can you believe they cut down a tree to print that? Where’s Al Gore when you need him.

Honestly if you believe that then what is the use of living anyway if were just going to explode. Those words are not from the God that loves you, but your enemy who hates you, who says if your are told lies over and over you will believe them.
This text book author was brilliant, he says, “Nothing really means nothing.” He said not only would mass and energy disappear, but also space and time. However, physicists theorize that from the state of nothingness the universe began. The universe began in a gigantic explosion. What? He is telling us that one day nothing exploded and here we are. Discover Magazine a few years ago wrote, “The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing, zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nothing /nowhere. How is that possible? Ask Alan Guth. His theory of inflation helps explain everything! He went on to say in Scientific American, “We all came from a dot and a dot came from nothing, they call that science.

I can’t write anymore…..Part 3 will continue with science and stuff when I can write again….

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I pushed the " do not Delete" trigger.

hmmmmm I wonder if voil even bothered to read....pretty much tells it like it is....whether bible related or not.......

Feral,

VOILA is very intelligent.

He may only need the two minute interval between your post and his to digest your offering and respond coherently.

I don't understand his post quite yet, but I'm much slower in digesting my food.




BTW... I haven't read it myself yet.

I better do that, now.

I totally agree with everything that you are saying. I am so pissed that people think the earth is a globe. The bible says that the earth is flat and that should be good enough for anyone. I hate the liberals out there that try to poisen our minds with observations and logic, but then what are we supposed to expect from people who love the devil so much.
GO GOD!!!!!

BRAVO!!! my sister in Christ, also i heard on a live radio interview with The first Astronaut that set foot on the moon.He was terrified, because if the planet's age was correct to what "they" the teachers said then according to scientific calculation the depth of the moon dust should be seven miles deep!!! Of course once he landed stepped out took samples brought them back, the depth was absolutely accurate to biblical creation time frame.

I think you just insulted every person who has made it their life’s work to study astrophysics.

Oh my dear lady if you only had a clue about what science actually does know.

I feel so sorry for you that you feel that your religion is threatened by reality.

That must be a terrible way to have to live your life.

Does it not even bother you that you are spreading LIES about what science actually knows and doesn’t know. This is PRECISELY what you are doing!

You my dear lady are spreading LIES.

Scientist don’t even have a clue how a star could form?

Excuse me, I’m not even an astrophysicist yet I understand the mechanics of star formation.

Do you think these people make up all this stuff they print in textbooks?

Do you think that nuclear reactors that generate electricity are a fabrication and don’t actually exist?

Science has proven itself in the technologies that are used world-wide.

Yet you prefer to spread LIES in your claim that scientists have no clue!

All in the hope of saving a dying religion?

You would have been much better off accepting that your religious doctrine is merely allegorical and does not preclude the possibility of evolution. It merely states that God created man from the dust of the earth, it doesn’t say HOW he did it!

If your religion depends on science being wrong I think you’re fighting a losing battle.

Time to change religions I guess.

Best of luck to you, but I really see no reason to be spreading outright LIES!

Thankfull my god DID use evolution to create us. So my religion is not in conflict with science.

Go Tobias!

Its the old Ford/Chevy/Mopar debate, Take Two...

Stay tuned because there will never be a right answer... only an outlet for bitter, hateful, bored and arrogant people to continue with stupid arguments about stuff they can't possibly prove.

Meanwhile millions of people will NOT have a belly full of food tomorrow on Thanksgiving Day....

Ford and Chevy and Mopar didn't have a way to get them some grub... so I guess they all just turned out to be worthless, vain arguers...

tobias and r-proman thank you for your words. I worked hard ont his series so stay tuned....it only gets better and better.


Abra: I hate to dissapoint you but telling me I am insulting any scientist is lame. First because my father was a scientist and I have mucho respect for them. And once again you took the context of what I wrote and made it your own. I stated that scientist don't have a clue how a star is formed and that my dear sweet abra is nothing but truth.

telephone man...I totally agree with you on one point...There are starving people on this planet......I am doing something about that? Are you?

And if you don't like this stuff why do you bother looking at them and posting. With nothing but respect telephone man...

Well, Feral... it took me 12 minutes to read your post.

Yup, VOILA is definitely smarter than me.

That's ok. Ienjoyed the read.

I like the little dot thingee.

Works for me...yup!!

No Feral that is absolutely NOT true!

That is a LIE pure and simple.

Obviously you have no problem telling HUGE LIES just to try to SELL your religion.

What a terribly shameful tactic.

How sad.

I won't bother arguing with a these lies. But it's totally dispicable that any person would do such a thing.

"only an outlet for bitter, hateful, bored and arrogant people to continue with stupid arguments about stuff they can't possibly prove."

he he he he

this is my only argument to anyone who disagrees......

If evolution exists, how long have humans lived on this earth and y have they not evolved.

Now you can say intellegence....thats what u learn and adapt....not evolve into.

Evolve-to develop gradually.

To develope...not to change.

feral-what-cha-ma-call-it...

why is it every single post I see you posting to here has something to do with a vain argument over something that is near to meaningless, yet tends to pump up your ultra-arrogant, selfish personality...

if this is your form of evangelism, you should greatly re-think your complete game plan... and then re-read what the Bible says about allowing yourself to become involved with vain babblings...

Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall...

You are pushing people away from Christ, not drawing them to him...

In so doing, you work for Satan and not God...

Pat yourself on the back for making sure certain folks will NEVER attend church, if they think "church" means aligning themselves with arrogant, argumentative, nin-com-poops like yourself.

What happened to Solomon's wisdom?

It would be wise NOT to make a complete and utter ass of yourself on a public bulletin board.

You will have ZERO converts... in fact, people will run from church if they think YOU might be there... I know I would...

Thank God Jesus doesn't hang his total crusade on idiotic, mindless people like yourself... or Christianity would have died 1950 years agoi.....

ouch

has any one here ever heard of Dr Carl Baugh if not this is his web site its very interesting ..http://www.creationevidence.org/

hope you enjoy it

well, somebody's gotta point out the obvious stupidity of these types of threads... I made my vote to delete it... but it seems it survived