LV wrote:
But why so many threads on the same topic? *scratches head*

EXACTLY... its just one attention-starved woman's attempt at using this public bulletin board to her own evil intent. It has nothing to do with Christ whatsoever. It has everything to do with a woman who has fell to sin and pride on this very bulletin board by trying to continue with arguments that could very well drive people away from the cross of Christ. But does she care?... no, not at all. That is the evidence of her very selfish babblings.

On and on about the same silly crap, meaningwhile, if there is a call to evangelism, this is NOT it... this is a war with words with no end in sight, knowingly stirring up difficulties and knowingly trying to produce even more strife about a situation on a public site CONTRARY to the teachings of Christ.

She's a messenger from hell, with a haughty spirit, and no sincere compassion for her audience in this place... only a demand that they continue to read her blah-blah babblings and keep firing her selfish pride towards utter destruction.

Not one convert will come of this place, but the opposite, people who are reinforced in their belief that staying away from Christianity is a good idea, because they might just think this idiot is the absolute example of a Bible follower... when in deed, she is only following her own selfish pride, and driving people AWAY from Christ by continuing to be such a nuisance.

I speak the truth.

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Answer: And you proof of vain babbling is?

Part II Science

This is the second part of series on Creation Vs. Evolution:

In this section I will talk about science. If you go to a large library, you will find many books about science. If you go to a large library, you will find Good science books. You will also find many, which have a little poison mixed in with the truths about nature and the universe. It is not the 98% good food I am against, it is the poison mixed in. I like to read about nature but I can’t always trust the books because to often facts are ignored to endorse an agenda.

I am not against science books just the ones that contain the poison. Let me read to you what is published in a 1st grade text book. “The earth has changed much since its formation 4.5 billion years ago. Some life on earth has adapted to these changes.” Come on, is the earth 4.5 billion years old? Absolutely not! But if you tell that to a 1st grader, he/she
is going to believe you. 1st graders believe everything you tell them. Dr. Stephen Meyer the outspoken creationist
say buy the time a young adult figures out evolution is a lie, supported by nothing, they are humanists much of the time and could care less about faith in something else that could let them down. Athists know, you keep poisoning the young mind until it believes whatever you say. 2nd grade science book read, “since it formation 4.5 billion years ago, there is organic evolution, Original life .

Life has to get started from non-living material, even today, nobody has said how that could happen. Then we are told about macro-evolution that is where an animal changes to a different kind of animal. Has anyone here ever witnessed the birth of an animal? Even human? Did the animal resemble its mother’s kind? No one has ever seen a dog produce anything but dogs. Dogs are probably the animal more people pay attention too then any other animal, even if the dog, wolf, coyote had a common ancestor every 1st grader knows they are the same kind of animal. The bible says the animals are going to bring forth after their KIND. The dog the wold are the same kind of animal but there are different species.

Darwin tried to fool everybody in his book Origin of Species by changing the work KIND to Species. Then lastly, we are encouraged to believe in micro-evolution. This is changes with the KINDS. Animals can produce a whole variety of offspring, long hair, short hair, long legged, short legged, that happens. But the first five are purely religious. Cosmic evolution, chemical evolution, stellar and planetary evolution, organic evolution, macro evolution, are all religion not science. We never have observed any of those in action. So to be a good witness for the Creator and stand firm in a debate, define first what you are debating as far as these evolution theories go? You will find that evolutionist give examples of # 6 only, micro evolution. Changes with the dog family. Problem is the debater usually implies micro-evolution is evidence for the other 5. It is not evidence.

The teachers are taught to stress the earth is billions of years old, make sure the kids believe this since the intention is that if you have enough time anything can happen. But if these haven’t happened in all the years man has been observing creation why should anyone believe it is going to happen tomorrow.

Don’t you think in science class, we should be
teaching science. The results, of clear observations.
Things we can observe and test and study and demonstrate. Things like the 1st law of thermodynamics.

The scientific law, not theory, tells us “Matter cannot be created or destroyed.” If matter cannot be created or destroyed then how did the world get here? “Were here, you know” So that leaves on 2 choices. 1) Somebody made the world or 2) The world made itself. You can believe the Bible, which says God made the world with his hands, or can believe the humanists who say the world created itself.

Humanists regard the universe as “self-existing and not created.” This quote is from the Humanist Manifesto Tenet#1. Well, if the world made itself how could this happen? The devil thought for along time and finally he came up with the big bang theory. It is rather obsurd what is published today and being taught to our kids.

“Earth has changed.” In addition to (the planets) physical changes, life too, has evolved on earth.” The word evolved is a very tricky word. There are 6 meanings to the word and only one meaning is scientific. When someone speaks to you regarding evolution ask them what they mean? For some speak of cosmic evolution: The origin of time, space and matter. Also referred to as the Big Bang. Some believe it, I don’t. Then there is chemical evolution: The origin of higher elements from hydrogen the big band was to produce hydrogen and some helium, but how did we get the other 105 elements? Did they evolve? Are we to believe uranium evolved from hydrogen?

The 3rd theory is stellar and planetary evolution: The origin of stars and planets. How did the star form? No one has even seen a star form. Scientists don’t even have a clue how a star could form. There are not even good theories on how a star could form. What happens all the time is vona and supernova, and that is when a star explodes. Man is constantly looking into the heavens and we see the stars exploding, not forming. Did you know that there are enough stars that every person on earth could claim 1 trillion stars for their own. Those are the ones we know about, thanks to the Hubble Telescope and fast computers. (psalm 147) tells us the “Lord determines the number of the stars and calls each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; His understanding has no limit.” Wow he named them all, has anyone named 11 trillion?

Fourthly there is organic evolution: the origin of life. Life had to get started from non-living material. Even today, nobody has a clue how that could happen. Then are are told about macro-evolution. That is where an animal changes to different kinds of animals. Nobody has ever seen a dog poduce anyting but dogs.

The Pretae Hall General Science book say “about 18 to 20 billion years ago all the matter in the universe was concentrated into one very dense, very hot region that may have been smaller then a period on this page. For some unknown reason the region exploded. This explosion called the Big Bang goes on to say this is how the galaxies formed in the universe. By the way universe is form from 2 latin words uni-means single verse- means spoken sentence. Did you know we live in a single spoken sentence? “God said let there be.” But that is so different from the public school science book which says 18 to 20 billion years ago all the matter in the universe was concentrated into a dot on this page. What? That is one crowded dot. Do you see this planet squished into the tip of your pen? That isn’t the end of it. EarthScience text book say after many billions of years, all the matter and energy will once again be packed into a small area. This area may be no longer then the period at the end of this sentence. Then another big bang will occur. Can you believe they cut down a tree to print that? Where’s Al Gore when you need him.

Honestly if you believe that then what is the use of living anyway if were just going to explode. Those words are not from the God that loves you, but your enemy who hates you, who says if your are told lies over and over you will believe them.
This text book author was brilliant, he says, “Nothing really means nothing.” He said not only would mass and energy disappear, but also space and time. However, physicists theorize that from the state of nothingness the universe began. The universe began in a gigantic explosion. What? He is telling us that one day nothing exploded and here we are. Discover Magazine a few years ago wrote, “The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing, zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nothing /nowhere. How is that possible? Ask Alan Guth. His theory of inflation helps explain everything! He went on to say in Scientific American, “We all came from a dot and a dot came from nothing, they call that science.

I can’t write anymore…..Part 3 will continue with science and stuff when I can write again….

Wouldee: That would be a great idea to read it....giggle...heart you mister.




Abra wrote:

Oh my dear lady if you only had a clue about what science


actually does know.

I feel so sorry for you that you feel that your religion is threatened by reality.

Answer:

Oh wait abra the series only gets better....and trust me I don't think you have a clue of what is being told to us that is just lies. And I think not that my Faith in God as the Creator of the Universe could not and would not be threatened by anything or anyone.

Abra wrote:

That must be a terrible way to have to live your life.

Does it not even bother you that you are spreading LIES about what science actually knows and doesn’t know. This is PRECISELY what you are doing!

You my dear lady are spreading LIES.

Answer: Back it up mister. Proof is what I want....

Scientist don’t even have a clue how a star could form?

Excuse me, I’m not even an astrophysicist yet I understand the mechanics of star formation.

Do you think these people make up all this stuff they print in textbooks?

Answer: Again I say....Scientist don't have a clue how a star could form....and if you have proof otherwise....bring it on.

Abra wrote:

Do you think that nuclear reactors that generate electricity are a fabrication and don’t actually exist?

Science has proven itself in the technologies that are used world-wide.

Yet you prefer to spread LIES in your claim that scientists have no clue!

All in the hope of saving a dying religion?

Answer; Again you are spewing.....What I said about scientist not knowing was truth....and talking about science that of course has done amazing things is not showing me that you kno what you talking about. Of course I know that there are great things because of science.....you once again turning things around to fit your AGENDA.....Im putting out facts abra.....you need to back some of your talk up.

Abra wrote:
You would have been much better off accepting that your religious doctrine is merely allegorical and does not preclude the possibility of evolution. It merely states that God created man from the dust of the earth, it doesn’t say HOW he did it!

If your religion depends on science being wrong I think you’re fighting a losing battle.

Time to change religions I guess.

Answer: It sure does.....and for someone who claims to know the bible.....and you don't know this..hmmmmm Once again left out big fact.....Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living thing. Now tell me how you think we came about? And also why your at it....How the planet earth happen?

Abra wrote:

Best of luck to you, but I really see no reason to be spreading outright LIES!

Thankfull my god DID use evolution to create us. So my religion is not in conflict with science.

Answer: If you God did you evolution to create you....Then explain it to me? And just to make it clear because of God we have science.....so no conflict there.

Feral wrote:
“I have never voil disrespected you or anyone else for that matter about their beliefs...why would I.....Does it do anything for me to shove anything down anyones throat...no and I have not done such.”

Well perhaps you have changed then since last week when you told me that I am rebellious against God and that I am rejecting God?

Abra I totally think you misunderstanding a statement with shoving my views on anyone....I don't have a problem with anyones beliefs...and you know I have said that over and over. And I never ever said that the way you put it...if your going to quote someone then do...don't make it up as you go along...I know how I write and what I write...And I would never say it that way....I am rebellious against God and that I am rejecting God? SORRY SWEETS BUT THAT IS A BLANTANT LIE.


I love God, and I also love Her beautiful creation.

I’m currently trying to embrace Christianity into my world picture, but there are obviously going to be some major logistical problems associated with that.

And that is fine by me.....believe anything that helps you......

I can only thank God that different interpretations of a single religions are acceptable. This is one thing that Christianity has surely shown the world with something like 2500 different sects.

Again abra a blatant lie. there are no sects let alone 2500 of them. A Christian is someone that believe in God, Christ and the holy spirit.....

I’m thinking about starting number 2501.

You just have fun with that....and good luck.

After all, these sects have to start somewhere right?

It will clearly be something along the lines of "Pantheistic Christianity"

I'm not sure what to call it yet.

Maybe "Cantheistic"?

Nah, I 'll keep thinking.

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Hey Jess! Take a surf for me!!!

Feral wrote:
“And all I was referring to is when you quote me......please quote me...don't just make it up off the top of your head.....which I have seen you do plenty of times”

I didn’t want to have to go look it up but fortunately it was fairly easy to find,… Here’s one in the very opening post of a thread you started,….

Answer: And if you will not abra what I said and what you quoted are way way different.


You wrote:
“And again I say to you abra.....that we can have this fight from now to the day we die and the results will always be the same......you with your rebellious ways in what you want to believe and mine through God and his speaking to me......”

My rebellious ways??? And God is speaking to YOU???

Answer: Again your trying to twist....in the above quote from me.....all I was saying is yesyou are being rebellious according to God not me....If you are putting down and not believing his word the Bible.....then in his eyes (not mine) you are rebellious.

Abra Wrote:
You can read it for yourself here (in the OP):

http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/48550

I might also point out that you actually began that statement with “And AGAIN I say to you abra” which implies that you have said this sort of thing before as well. I’m not going to run around looking for the the other quotes which I also recall reading. They are probably buried in old threads and I’m seriously not feeling up to hunting them down. I recall one thread where you really lost it, but I’ve forgiven you for that one already.

Answer: If your going to quote people you better look it up....because 9 out of 10 times your wrong in how you wording it.......and that is offensive. Your the one with the burden of proof here not me.

Abra wrote:

But since you are accusing me of being a liar and making things up I felt I should at least defend saintliness this one time.

From now on I’ll quote you directly. Or hopefully better yet, I won’t need to!

Feral wrote:
“I thought you were leaving the religion sites....again I guess a lil lie.....”

I said I thought I would leave to respect the holidays. I’m still thinking about it. It’s hardly a lie if I decide not to. Just a change of plans. Something people do all the time.

Answer: What you don't want to respect the Holiday's anymore. And stay I don't care one way or the other.....

abra wrote:

If you said that you were going to leave the forum and then decided not to I would hardly think to call you a ‘liar’. I would just assume you changed your mind. People do that all the time. That’s hardly lying.

You’re just dying to pin that sin on me aren’t you????

answer: If I said I as going to leave, I would do just that. I don't need to pin anything on you abra....you manage to do that all by yourself.....And again I'm not your judge.

This will be more then one thread, as there is alot to cover. And depending on how it does will depend on how much I put out there. This was done with the help of my Pastor Mike Shaffer to whom this is dedicated, and to Jesus Christ my Savior.

PART 1

First off I want to say that every message that I share with you, I support my ideas with scripture. The Bible to me is the infallible, inspired, inherent Word of the Living God. I believe each and every word from Genesis to Revelation, cover to cover. It is the owners manual for human being-a must read. And one of my jobs as a Christian is to "Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks me a reason of the hope that is in us with meakness and fear." (1 PH 3:15) In the last 100 years, it is fair to say that Christians have not done a good job to answer the evolution theory; and we have allowed this philosophy of evolution; actually, it is a religion; we have allowed this religion to take over our school system, or legal system, our whole thinking process as a society is based on a philosophy which has zero scientific evidence. NONE

Creationlists have offered for more than 15 years a 1/4 million dollars to anyone who has real scientific evidence for evolution. There has been no claim of the money because there is no evidence. I understand that people believe in it, but that does not make it science. I am hoping to strengthen you faith in the Word of God and build your confidence in the Creator God, to help you stand up to the evolution bullies who try to intimidate you and deny your trust in God. You cannot buy into the lie that evolution had anything to do with your existence, or the lie that claims that God kick stated evolution and then took a huge vacation only to come around to find human beings polluting His planet. You know, there are Christian Scientist claiming to be evolutionist as well. This angers me,, but not as much as the canvoluted-belief angers the atheists. Pultzer Prize winning sociobiologist Edward Wilson barks "humankind evolved by Darwinian, natural selection, genetic chance and environmental necessity, not God, made the species." Another leading evolutionist, and one time ordained priest, Francisco Ayala, said in a recent interview, Darwin’s "greatest accomplishment was to show that: living beings can be explained as the result of a natural process, natural selection, without any need to resort to a Creator or other external agent. In essence, he attempted to nullify the scriptures and the writings of Moses, King David, the Apostles John, & Paul. Paul told Colossians that Jesus Christ created all things in heaven and earth visible and invisible, all things were created by Him and for Him.

There are two ways to look at this world. That is called your world-view. If you follow Darwinian thinking, I wold like to change your world view. How do you view this world? Some people look at the world from this direction (up) Some look at it the other way (down) The way you view the world is how you answer the Four Great Questions of life. There are 4 fundamental question regarding life that every single religion on earth tries to answer. The way you answer those questions is totally determined by your world-view. Some people look at the world and say “It’s amazing – a big bang made this world from nothing! “That is a humanist world-view based on the theory of evolution. Other people look at the world and say, “It’s is incredibly designed. There must be an intelligent designer! That is the creationist world- view based on creation by God. And those two world-views are at war with each other. I tell you straight out- “Somebody is wrong!” I don’t have a problem showing the evolutionist that he is wrong even though he might not accept it.

If the evolution theory were true, how would you answer the Great Questions of Life? Who am I? What am I worth? Well if evolution is true you are nothing important. You are just a piece of protoplasm that washed up on the beach. You are not worth a thing. Actually, you are part of the problem because you are one of the polutters of the environment. Just breathing you and contributing to the global warming crisis. You are creating green house gases and taking us back before the ice age. Environmentist want you gone. The more humans gone the happier the environment. And that is normal thinking if the evolution theory is true. Where did I come from? Well if evolution is true, you cam from a cosmic burb about 20 billion years ago. Why am I here? What is the purpose of life? Well if evolution is true, there is not purpose to life; you might as well have loads of fun, if it feels good, go ahead and do it. There would be no divine authority to watch over you and keep you accountable. Where am I going when I die? Well, if evolution is true, you are going to the grave to be recycled into a worm or into a plant. You see, the Bible says, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth (Gen 1:1) So if that is true, that puts a
whole different set of answers to those questions. That means we better try to figure out who God is, and find out what He wants and do what He says. Because he created this place, which means He owns it, which means He makes the rules. We better find out what He wants while we are alive. And if you are not obeying His rules, you may be in trouble on of these days. Satan doesn’t like this idea that God created this earth. So he came to Eve in the Garden of Eden. The first thing he said to the woman was, “has God really said.” He is trying to raise doubts about God’s world. Satan always tries to raise doubts and that is one of the reasons we have confusion over Bible versions. Which version can we trust; which versions are inaccurate?

I will ascend about the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the most high. You see, satan wants to be God. But the job is not available and he is all upset that he can not be God, so he lied to Eve and told her she could be like God. Satan loathes us almost as much as he hates God because we are made in God’s image. That is why he went after Even and she fell for it because it sounded to good. “Wow I get to be God! Hitler was used by satan. Let me share a quote from him. “If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough, and often enough the people will believe it.”

The second thing he said to Even “You will not really die if you eat the fruit.” Basically, he is calling God a liar. And the third thing he said to the woman is the thing I am most interested in for this message. He said, “Eve if you eat from that tree you will be like God.” Right there is where the whole idea of evolution got started. If didn’t start with Darwin, it started with satan and the Garden of Eden.

Several religions teach that you will become like God when you die. Even key religious leaders believe we are more than God’s created beings. Kenneth Copeland made this statement in one of his messages. “Gods reason for creating Adam was the desire to reproduce himself. (Adam) was not a little like God. He as not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even Adam was as much like God as you can get, the same as Jesus. Adam in the Garden of Eden was God manifest in the flesh. You don’t have a God in you, you are one.” I don’t know that he was retracted that statement which is on tape. Kenneth Hagin said, “The believer is as much an incarnation as as Jesus of Nazareth. The believer is called Christ. That who we are; were Christ! No Kenneth, Jesus is the one and only true God, we are nothing like God and we couldn’t do His job. The job is taken. If you think you are Christ, try walking on water, someday. Lucifer is the one who wants to be God.


The next installment of this series will talk about science…../

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