If that isn't pure celestial and divine creation, nothing is!!!

:)

So much for this thread.....

Oh my goodness.
I laughed so hard at this whole tread, well, the first 4 pages I plodded through.

Someone, said that each is entitled to 'SHARE' their opinion. I would like to suggest that 'sharing' is at the very least a two sided deal. It goes something like this.

In my religion we believe ... because .... So what do you believe?

At which point one might ask questions, or interject knowledge from other sources that would either back up their reasons for their opinion or clarify a position.

However, since intellect was so lacking in this thread, I decided to post in accordance with what I have seen. Please see my next post.

Of course that quote was referring to ‘science’ books, though I suppose ANY book could be subject to some error, occasionally.




Poison, in this case, refers to possible errors, perhaps burning ALL books, might be the answer.



This is exactly the reason some people are so totally against small children being exposed to religion. They have not yet developed, and sadly, may never develop the ability of critical thinking and analysis.




Yes, most Atheists understand this concept, most have been the receivers of such poisoning. Fortunately, their ability to adapt to more critical analysis and thought processes, saved them from a life separated from knowledge and they were able to see the 'error' of a religiously imposed youthful poisoning.



This may be difficult for some to fully understand, but it’s about as simple an explanation of the age of this universe as has yet been conceived. Do put on your thinking caps and take a journey with non other than:

Carl Sagan
Author of Dragons of Eden and Cosmos.

"The most instructive way I know to express this cosmic chronology is to imagine the fifteen-billion year lifetime of the universe…compressed into the span of a single year. …It is disconcerting to find that in such a cosmic year the Earth doesnot condense out of insterstellar matter until early September: dinosaurs emerge on Christmas Eve; flowers arise on December 28th;and men and women originate at 10:30 PM on New Year’s Eve. All of recorded history occupies the last ten seconds of December 31; and the time from the waning of the Middle Ages to the present occupies little more than one second."


Now; armed with this new understanding of the passage of time, we can all clearly see that ‘RECORDED’ history has barely had time to learn it’s ABC’s. So it’s obvious that the kind of evolutionary changes, attributed to the theory and science, of evolution have not occurred within ‘Recorded’ history. Well it’s obvious to those, at least, who do not allow their minds to be poisoned by that 2% of bad stuff in the literature they choose to read.

Yes, Dianna this is so TRUE!

And I just want to go over this again in case someone missed the details:

Read the following VERY CAREFULLY!



Note that compared with the age of the earth ALL of recorded human history is like a few seconds in comparison to a YEAR.

And what does Feral have to say?



In “all the years” that man has been observing creation hardly anything would change!

Just LOOK at the time scales you’re talking about!

You have no CLUE Feral. None whatsoever!

Your statement here does nothing more than display a gross ignorance of geological time scales!

Your uninformed arguments about science are just that – UNINFORMED!

And it doesn’t STOP with this accusation. This is TYPICAL of all of your accusations against scientific discoveries! You’re logical reasoning is totally FLAWED, uninformed, and simply incorrect.

Your talking NONSENSE Feral. And then trying to claim like as if it has merit when it doesn’t.

Why must you talk about something you know nothing about?

Why does science threaten your God?

If your God created this universe then shouldn’t the things that are claimed about your God in the doctrine of your religion match up with the real universe?

If it doesn’t you should be QUESTIONING your religious DOCTRINE! A doctrine that has absolutely NO evidence to back up its mystical and divine claims!

That's where you should be looking for EVIDENCE and PROOF!

As Dr. Sagan pointed out, there almost 2 days of evidence due us in te fssil record.

Apparently the Christians moved in on the evidence in the middle of the night and removed it world wide.

Why not? 2 posters would agree that we're preposterouly deluded.

Everybody loves a good mystery and conspiracies.

Boulder-dust!!!!! The argument that disagrees with my scenerio is equally absurd.

But some believe it. Why?

There is no evidence of the links.

High and low many look, seeking what?

An excuse to discredit God's plan for man?

To discredit moral and ethical evolution of laws? ( Which, by the way, is a more correct use of the word 'evolution')

To erase the stain of an abused collective conscience?

My queries of intent and motive of the evolutioists hold much more weight in defence of the creation than the evidence for "Darwin's Delusion"

I only see the blind leading the blind into a dark pit equal to science's lack of discipline within the camp.

Darwinism is not science.

It is a hallucination.

The intent and motive for its presence on the contemporary stage is only evidence of a spurious agenda fueled by the complicity of individuals that would prefer not to be reminded that they have personal responsibilities to attend to before they go outside to play on the swing.


That ought to refresh the discourse!!!!


EVIDENCE, PEOPLE!!!!

CREDIBLE, TANGIBLE EVIDENCE!!!!!

Provide or concede. That is the choice.

There is no other.

What? ....he has a completely perplexed look about him, that suggests there is a pot among us who is calling out a kettle...

With all due respect wouldee... come on man...

Who are these ‘evolutionists”? Sounds like a cult. Evolution is not a religion, although I wouldn’t be surprised if some crackpots tried to make it into one.



I guess not. I’ve been into science all my life and I’ve never heard of “Darwinism”. It must be a religious cult outside of science.



It’s water over the dam Wouldee.

Just like the earth is no longer the center of the universe. The evidence for evolution is OVERWHELMING.

It just takes time for lay people to accept these things. Especially when they fly in the face of the popular ancient mythology that has no proof behind it whatsoever.

That’s what we need to shout at religious people Wouldee,….

EVIDENCE, PEOPLE!!!!

CREDIBLE, TANGIBLE EVIDENCE!!!!!

Provide or concede. That is the choice.

There is no other.

I will be responding to each and everyone of you.....but Im in the midst of the 3rd installment.....Will be back.....

And I love you all.....especially the voil-meister.....

our life span is but a speck in the overall scope of things .i personally believe the earth is very old and we evolved .God and Nature seem the same to me in many ways.one mistake in either one and your f@#$ked.people are going to believe what they believe no matter what evidence either side produces.
i feel like i'm reliving the scopes monkey trial.

Your one of those ultra intelligent Christians Jax.

You know the truth, but you just sit back quietly keeping it to yourself because you know it can’t be taught to monkeys.

I don’t BLAME YOU!

God Bless
Merry Meet
Namaste
and,… Joe Bless you!

Don't seize the liberty to reduce this to spin cycles with you two.

Fun is fun.

There is no evidence in the fossil record to defend the evolution of a terrestrial or aquatic animal transitioning into a winged bird capable of flight.

You can show me evidence that other bipedal humanoids have inhabited the earth, but you cannot display the gaps between them and anyother, let alone a continual and logically observable example tha even remotely holds the door open.

Who said they are failed attempts? By whom? Why?

Species are as species is. It is not complicated.

The bird!!!!

The bipedal links!!!

The gaps are too wide, way too wide.

What you see is not man in the record.

What you see is something else entirely.


Show the evidence and quit playing games and I won't humor you in the meantime while you think out loud in an inappropriate discussion for such disjointed parodies.

Spiritual realities are far too demanding to to master the use of without knowing what to understand and how to apply that understanding to experience wisdom.

Wisdom is far too uncommon to help the initiate even understand spiritual equities let alone explain truth.

Truth is reserved for God to dispense and for man to begin contemplating IN HIS OWN LIFE WITH HIS INHERENT CAPABILITIES.

Stick to what you know and define your position in this debate and stick to it.

If we were shooting skeet or throwing darts we could make each other targets for grins, but someone may learn from this debate if we can muster the resolve to keep it real.

Besides, it's SATURDAY NIGHT and we're LIVE!!!!!!

Excuse me but i was serious so keep your fuzzy spaghetti.

someone else got it already.

watch out!! The boys are after me. They might not see you there.

move to the left or the right before the lemings trample you and drag you over the cliff, hun!!

Hi Cutelil'

Whenever there has been an attempt to discuss evolution, a most peculiar point of view is ALWAYS brought up by those of the Christian faction:Darwin.

The progression of science ALWAYS begins with a question, and is follow by a theory. I would venture to guess that almost 99% of all theory, ends up as nothing more than the introduction of new questions.

If one knows nothing more about evolution than what comes from reading only the notes, journals and publication by Darwin, then they are clearly far behind the vast extent of knowledge that has addressed the original questions he posed.

The actual field/science that addresses evolution is so far above Darwins original thoeries, that likely, even Darwin himself would be in awe over it's growth and development.

I rather think that the Bible has many such characteristics. I would hardly imagine that a Christian from 200 years ago would agree with current religious views. And a Christian from 600 years ago would likely not even recognise their own religion.

And all that from a book of infallible truth. Is not infallible truth a truth for all ages? Yet it is barely even the same religion. How exactly can infallible truth evolve?

~ Say it isn’t So! ~

It can’t be true!
It can’t be true!
Evolution must be false!

It doesn’t match
the “One, Two, Three,…”
of our ancient doctrine waltz!

We’ll deny the modern evidence
We’ll denounce the fossil bones
We’ll kick and shout and holler
like out-of-tune trombones!

We’ll pretend we didn’t hear you
when you offer up your proof
We’ll ignore it altogether
and act like we’re aloof!

It doesn’t match our doctrine!
Tis the only fact we know!
We simply must deny it
and say it isn’t so!

~~~

Abra (11/24/07)

Exactly what ‘evidence’ do you expect to be shown in a couple of posts on an Internet forum?

The evidence is overwhelming. It’s available to the public. However, some of it may require a bit of education in the sciences.

I’m certainly not going to try to teach college physics, chemistry, biology and geology in a couple of posts.

Although, I have done that to some extent already in these forums in the past. I’m not about to give a whole second course on it. You missed the boat on that freebie.

I don’t need to prove evolution anymore than I need to prove that the earth goes around the sun. These things have already been proven by scientists.

hi redy,i'm glad your back and that your holiday went well.
i always like reading your insights.