What if Aliens Visited Us?

Alien = For references in this discussion it describes a being not from Earth. A being that has mastered interstellar travel. A species that developed under different starlight, gravity, atmospheric pressures, radiation limits and physical attributes. A civilization that had different milestones, value systems and food supply. Their advanced technology may be older than the human species. It's heritage may be tens of millions or even hundreds of millions years old. Its lifespan may be counted in millennia or decades. Their population might exceed 100 billion or a trillion or more.

Mankind = Our current animal form is only about 2 million years old at best. Our entire recorded history is less than 10,000 years. Space travel is less than 100 years. Most people cannot trace their lineage back more than a few generations. Our society operates within the span of 3-8 years at best. Our technology is growing but as a people we have stagnated. We seem to be unable or unwilling to break the greed barrier. We refuse to think as a people and act for the future.

Time is one thing that might make an impact on us if we encounter an advanced alien species. Our concept of time is based on our planetary and stellar movements. Time is measured by atomic decay but it is referenced on the second, minute, hour, day, week, month and year. Basically the movement of the Sun in relation to the Earth.
Keplar shows that there are a multitude of planets orbiting a multitude of stars. Those planets are not only different sizes than our Earth, they orbit at different speeds. I am willing to bet that their rotational periods are different as well. An Alien may not see time as we do. If it is an ancient species that lives for millennia they may not even acknowledge time as we do. If they reference time at all.
To us humans, an alien may take decades or more to respond or...They may operate so lightning fast we cant keep up. Their time-frame could be based on the lifespan of a certain type of star or the duration of a boson. In any case, the vast distances that they had traveled will have been manageable.

It all boils down to relativity.
The aliens could be tiny or huge. They could be structured or blobs.
We imagine aliens use technology based on machinery. They use a device, fly a craft and manipulate objects.
We imagine they have an agenda, value life and are curious. We would attempt to communicate based on our greed, curiosity and community socialness. Our mathematics system is based on the unit. We declare that it is a fundamental part of nature but an alien may not perceive units like we do. We might attempt to communicate with light but an alien may not register light like we do. Even here on Earth there are creatures that exist without light sensory apparatus. Our sequence of light flashes may not even be seen. The same with sound and touch. Imagine an alien that evolved on a planet where the composition of the atmosphere was caustic and it never developed the sense of touch. Not only can there be restrictions of senses that we take for granted there might be senses that are highly developed. Senses that we can't fathom. There might be shared senses but they could be so highly attuned, our demonstration may seem out of focus to them.

Why Here...Why Earth?
In our vanity we think we have something that an alien might want, covet or cherish. We think that we might make a good food source, our water or mineral content is needed or we are unique and worth studying. Its all based on our own thinking. Speculation of an alien's motives for visiting our planet makes for good science fiction.
Would the aliens be here to pass judgement on our species? Are we a threat to interstellar space? Do they care if we destroy our planet? Is it a humanitarian effort because they want to harvest our star? Are they responding to our radiation signals from radio or TV? Did they find the voyager record and decipher its contents? All this is based on concepts that we humans have. Are we on a navigation chart? Do aliens navigate?

Happenstance and Chaos?
Chaos is part of nature. There is a pattern to it in macroscopic and microscopic detail. An alien's motives, if they even have motives, might be based on chaos. Chaos does not mean destructive. Chaos is neither bad or good. Chaos is random interaction. Might a species that is a billion years old embrace chaos?

Few people on Earth today could understand an alien presence let alone deal with their actions. Whether hostile or benign we would be driven insane by their visit. Our preconceptions of the Universe and natural laws would be crushed and many people would not be able to handle it. Some of you might say that is why they remain hidden. Do you hide from a tree? Do you hide from a worm and try to understand what it thinks? These questions are even incorrect. They are questions based on human motives and references. They may not even acknowledge us.

What if baby aliens can split atoms as easily as playing with blocks? Their kindergarden vastly surpasses quantum physics? Its difficult to comprehend a lifeform that is far superior and of alien origin. We are locked into analogies that have been evolved into our grain. But all of our anologies have one thing in common. They are all from the Earth.

As powerful as an atom bomb is and all of our nuclear weapon testing combined can't compete with the nuclear fusion of our little star. If something were looking the Sun would wash out anything we can create on Earth. Combine that with the diameter of our radio signals expanding into space and anything that could detect our presense has a background of stronger emmissions to wade thru. They would have to be looking specfically at us, at the right time and in the right wavelengths.

A mechanical based alien is possible. I guess anything is possible including things we currently think are impossible. The mechanical part may not even be something we think of as mechanical. Wires and circuts may not be the best way to use energy. Even Tesla discovered that. Tesla had a system invented that harnessed free energy. Aliens may be far more advanced. Aliens may be able to manipulate matter on the sub-atomic scale as easily as we convey our feelings with a look of approval or dismay. Advanced science resembles God-Like powers.

We are aware of the concept of mind-uploading. It could be possible for an alien culture that is 500 million years old to upload themselves or a piece of themselves to anything. With spooky theory one alien might explore 100,000 worlds at the same time with 100,000 constructs and be instantly aware of each one at all times. From micro devices to megastructures. Kinda like Von Neumann Probes but living entities and of various sizes, functions and attitudes. But again I am limited to assuming aliens have attitudes.

We base our ideas on what we know and can imagine. Its all based on life on Earth. It's all born of Earth. It's all created from one tiny planet circling an average star. Just the right temperature. Just the right radiation. Just the right size moon. In just the right place in the galaxy. The Goldilox Zone is more than just our distance from our star. An alien may be from a different Goldilox Zone.

Think about if Mankind made it to an alternate Earth. Lets say it has the right pressure, atmosphere and gravity which is very unlikely. Does it have a moon? Our Moon is more to us than just something to bark at. Does it have an Iron Core? If that core is more dense or not as dense it will affect us. The thickness of the mantle, the radiation wavelengths of the parent star or nearby stars, Elemental composition of the topsoil and crust. So many variables and each one in very little differences will affect us. Our minds, concepts and bodies evolved from the conditions of this planet in this star system at this time/place in the galaxy. An alien from another star system will evolve under those conditions. Their minds, concepts and bodies may not evolve even closely similar to ours.

It's tough to imagine a truly alien being. Tougher still to try to imagine one that is more advanced than us. If we can even detect their presense I think we would be hard pressed to even understand what we were seeing.

I see evolution as a change. Everything changes. Planets, stars, asteroids, galaxies and the Universe itself. In living things (of which we can only reference life on Earth), evolution is variations in the lifeform's genetic code. Bacteria, plants & animals evolve over time as their genetic code changes. Life itself is an evolutionary change of the planet as well as the Sun.

The way I see it, the atmosphere and other natural conditions like radiation levels, temperature and gravity dictate how, when and where life evolves. It's been proven that life does not need oxygen to exist, no sunlight either. Archeology can date a time on Earth when there was no oxygen and life existed. The oxygen was the by-product of that life and it saturated the planet. It not only killed most of the life on Earth it caused Iron to rust.
We define life by a set of specific parameters based on what we have learned about our planet. Just because we have not witnessed other factors that lead to life doesn't mean they don't exist.
We know of multiple forms of water. H2O is only one form of water and the form that we need to survive. There could be a planet or moon somewhere that has more heavy water than what we are accustomed to. Life that forms based on heavy water will have different qualities than life on Earth.
Our Star burns at a specific temperature. It has a specific amount of gravity and emits a specific range of radiation.
A Star that is larger than the Sun might have more gravity and thus not emit the same radiation. It might not shluff off key elements needed for our type of life. The temperature might be higher causing different types of emissions. It's density may have a different pull on its celestial neighborhood. This would change the atmospheric weather conditions for its planets and moons. Bigger storms or a lack of storms might elevate atmospheric generated electricity or decrease it significantly. The composition of the Sun is also an evolutionary factor for life on Earth. A blue giant star will have different effects on any life in its reach.
Our Moon dictates life on our planet as well. We have deduced that our moon is the result of a collision with our planet. It is unique to Earth. It's size, orbital speed and distance dictates our evolutionary path. Try to imagine life that exists with no seasons. The planet instead has zones of habitat. Migration habits would change, fertility might be based on something besides cycles, weather patterns might be predictable and zone specific. Now, with those changes in mind, what affect would they have in the development of intelligence.
For humans and higher forms of life on Earth, intelligence seems to be the ability of an organism to gather, store and utilize experiences. Human are set apart from others because we can imagine, predict and plan. We can act on predictions and construct apparatus to achieve a goal. Our imagination allows us to go beyond simple tool usage to allow us to modify behaviors and tools to result in more efficient systems. A beaver uses a rock to open a clam for food. We don't see the beaver farming its food or making a better opener. It is intelligent enough to know that it can use the rock and does, but it is not superiority intelligent to go any farther.
Given the size and density of the Universe it can be assumed that there are a multitude of beaver type life out there. With beavers showing up on this one planet where humans also exist it is then feasible to think that human level life is also abundant. As humans we are ever expanding our designs as we gain more knowledge. This leads me to believe that there is also an abundance of higher-level intelligence in the Universe.
Our planet and Star are about 4.5 Billion years old. Life formed here about 3 Billion years ago. Our Sun has an expected lifetime of about 10 Billion years. It is an average star. There are stars that will live much longer, Have lived much longer.

Life is just life. We humans wrap all kinds of glory around it but an alien may not even consider life at all. Try to imagine a society that has no value of life. It is almost impossible for us to fathom. If life were not in the thought process then neither would death be a consideration. With no death, no need for a God. Try to imagine a society with no God, ever. Not the absence of God, No God ever. Our religion is meant to do one thing. It is a way for some humans to control other humans. An alien culture that has no God will be very different than what we understand. Flip the coin and you may have an alien culture that takes religion to different extremes. Plus, there are 360 degrees of the edge of the coin that can result in even stranger iterations of culture. Variations are endless.

The original topic is questioning what humans would do if faced with an alien encounter. While trying to imagine that condition my mind needed to first imagine what that alien encounter might entail. The more I thought on that, the more I realized that we have no idea what actual aliens will be like. All references my mind grabbed a hold of to consider the question were based on the imaginations of other human minds. For something to be truly alien it will not have any frame of reference.

There would be fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of loss and fear of extinction on our part. Upon seeing something truly alien we would assign what we know to its qualities. We might call it a ship but is it really a ship? Are those things that look like legs really legs? Are they communicating or is that just a physical trait? Is that an entity or a construct? Are they really here or are they in orbit or still on their homeworld. The possibilities are endless, the reality unfathomable.
Even if they visited and left right away, our world would be forever changed. Concepts we hold onto to try to justify our existence would shattered as the knowledge and impact filtered through our minds. Our common delusions would be supplanted with new realities. New delusions would form and with our limited immature intelligence new religions and beliefs would arise. Our value systems would change. We might become a planetary culture or fragment drastically. Science might veer to new paths. Priorities would change.
Society is ruled. It is dictated and controlled by other humans. The communication industry would attempt to control the masses. Just like it does now. You will be told how to think, how to act and what to like. Just like now.
Your opinions will be swayed to support the elite's agenda, Just Like Now. Your internal turmoil and stress will be higher because society will dictate it. Your mind will be in conflict over what you are told and what you witnessed. There will be revolts against society, against religions and against nature. Trusts will be broken.
There will be a lot of people pacing. Unsure of anything they held dear.
Eventually, we will embrace it and things will become normal. Normal may not be utopian or dystopian but it will flatten out. I believe we could survive a visit but our concept of life would be forever different.

Its possible the aliens won't even be here for us. Imagine for a moment that you are walking in the woods and come upon an anthill. Most of us will be preoccupied with our own agenda and may not even notice it despite its complex structures and activity. Others may take notice and pause to examine it.
Do you take a moment of your time to try to communicate with it? Does it communicate with you? If you step on it the communication comes in the form of a hostile retaliation. You either stomp on it to try to kill it or you move away and continue your journey. You may never go near that anthill again or you may return and burn the thing from existence. You certainly did not have any two-way communication. This is based on human concepts with human abilities. To assume an alien has similar concepts is a delusion.

Lets say they are returning aliens. Lets say they have made visits to the Earth before and used mankind to mine gold and make landing strips and direct our development. The depictions of aliens are still similar to mankind in too many ways. It reminds me of the G'ould in the Stargate Storyline. While a good science fiction basis, the concept is still very flawed. The symbiosis angle is intriguing but breaks down if you think of evolutionary compatibility. Plus, the human body is frail compared with other Earthly creatures. Since anything is possible when considering the unknown, it might happen. Probabilities of any scenario is limited by human contemplation. I just feel that more likely its all a fantasy based on some mundane phenomenon.

Once life is found someplace other than on our planet (even microbial) we may have the ability to project possible evolutionary paths. Genetic sequences and environmental parameters could be fed to a supercomputer and possible evolutionary paths might be forecast. The forecasts will be very flawed but it might give some insight into what is possible. A sample mission might provide hard evidence of genetic sequencing variations to extrapolate possible evolutionary variations. The problem with that would be that the evolutionary paths of such an organism will be affected by Earth's gravity and other planet specifics. It's likely we will find at least microbial life in our Solar System. That life will be alien. Alien to our planet but not to our Star System. I think it will be a panspermia scenario due to the Solar wind. We will probably find that it has more in common with Earth life than not. Such a discovery of life elsewhere will open concepts in science that are only theorized at the moment. Even evidence of life that is dead would do that.

Alpha Centauri, The nearest Star System to the Sol System is 4.3 Light-Years from us. It is a binary system with 2 stars and a few planets. A third star in the vicinity known as Proxima Centauri is close enough to have effect on the binary system. Aliens from this system would need about 4 years to get here if they can achieve light speed. The Centauri System stars are all main sequence stars similar to our Sun. Thus their planetary systems can be assumed to be of similar age to ours. If life developed on any of its planets it would have characteristics very different than life as we know it. Just the fact that there are three gravitational influences will have a very different result. But lets say intelligent life has occurred and flourishes. To assume it would be anything similar to us is a delusion. But lets speculate that they are the ones that visited us long ago or are visiting us now.

Why did they pick Earth to visit?
5,000 years ago we did not send out any radio emissions. No TV, no signals of any kind. Did they just gaze at their sky one night and say "Lets go to Earth and mess with them"? Did their scientists build a craft and send their crew to a random nearest star? Did their advanced sensors detect Gold in them thar hills? Are we just a refueling stop for a distant destination? It's just plain silly to think that we can fathom the minds of aliens.

Why would they return?
If they were here for mining resources why did they leave in the first place? Are they curious to see how that primitive mankind is fairing? Is interstellar travel so commonplace for them that 4.3 light-years is a quick jaunt to the store? Are we so special and unique that they just can't get enough of us? What do we offer that everything in the 4.3 light-years between us doesn't have?

What is our commonality?
Life? Are we the only life they have detected within their reach? Right now, with what we know, life is unique to our planet. If we find any life anywhere else it will indicate that life is common. Especially if we find it within our own star system. If that is the case, life nay not be unique at all. Their star system may be abundant with life.
Comprehension? Who can say if we comprehend anything the way they do? It's possible that they know something that we don't. Maybe the fact that we share the same galactic orbit as them makes us 'Brothers of the Orion Arm' or something?

I feel advanced alien life is not in the Centauri system. More likely it is much more distant. If you add that factor to the equation a visit is even more unlikely. If they are advanced enough to come all this way, their superiority will be many times greater than ours. How could we hope to understand them or their reasons?

The appearance of aliens might also have a very good outcome for mankind.

We would KNOW that there is life beyond our planet
We would know that interplanetary/interstellar travel is possible
Depending on how much we get to see, some fundamental scientific beliefs may be justified.

If they come in a ship:
It tells us many things;
At least one other lifeform in the Universe uses constructs
The configuration of the ship's hull can reveal many things including
Possible relative size of the occupants/builders
Aerodynamic needs for the ship's primary function
Acknowledgement of orientation (top,bottom & sides)
Surfaces that are smooth vs multifaceted or jagged may indicate the concept of workmanship
The presence of operating lights or language markings might indicate a social structure, a society or fleet and could also mean that communication is needed at some point. Any type of systematic marking system indicates that they use a language system in their communications. Specific lighting apparatus indicates that they have visual abilities based on wavelengths at least similar to us.
If the craft has landing legs or landing apparatus it might indicate that the concept of legs is common. It will also indicate that the craft is meant to land so terrestrial excursions may be commonplace. Stability may be a consideration to them.
Its atmospheric propulsion can indicate things as well. Is it reactive to gravity like a rocket? What does it do to structures? Does it burn the ground like something energy based or does it flatten things. Is there excessive heat or cold? Does the propulsion create a wind from atmospheric displacement?
The absence of these types of things also tells us something.

When We See Them:
Do they emerge from a door or hatchway?
Are they wearing an apparatus?
If they have legs & arms and eyes and a head is it bi-lateral?
Bi-lateral symmetry might indicate that it is common in life structures.
Do we see a construct or the aliens themselves. Or is it a projection of some type?
Is there a command structure to a group? Do some aliens have objects on them that the others don't?
Is one alien doing anything different than the others? Taking readings or samples?
Do they emerge from their craft in waves or as a force? Are there also airborne units?
The number and compliment of their initial contact may indicate their power or motives.
A far superior alien may only require one entity, where a show of force may indicate their superiority may not be as powerful. Even if they are hostile to us, how they appear may indicate many things about them. Do they need to come and seek out individuals or structures or can they just target all from orbit?
One more thing to consider is did they come to us or bring us to them?

There are multitudes of variables that will indicate many things about them without us knowing the details. Every bit of information we get get from the encounter will either justify or debunk our concept of natural laws. Our concepts of science could be changed even if we were right about it just because we now have outside proof of it.

I don't believe even half of any so-called documentaries. I barely believe the news anymore. Its all so slanted to agendas.
As for aliens already here who can really say absolutely. But then who can dispute a walking, talking rock if enough people try to justify it? One thing that TV shows are good at is twisting something mundane into a question. Its done all the time anymore. If we were to search the globe, evidence of that walking, talking rock could also be found. Combined with "eyewitness" accounts, fragmented scientist comments and blurry photos and recordings a great deal of "evidence" can justify anything.
Here's the kicker - I fully believe that there are far superior alien cultures in the galaxy let alone the entire Universe. I just don't believe for one second that they have been here, are here or about to come here. It just doesn't make sense to me.
The elements found on and in Earth are more abundant all through the Galaxy.
Life, while we have no proof it is elsewhere, the building blocks of life are abundant as well.
Human qualities are not so special that it would warrant a special visit. Especially from an alien that is able to cross the vast distances involved.
Slavery of the human race is unacceptable because a culture that can do the things required to make the trip can certainly do anything a slave could do. And much more efficiently.
Chances are that an alien culture able to cross the distances and actually come here are harnessing the power of their star or greater. We can't even harness the power in our own planet yet.

It's more likely that what we call aliens is nothing more than the inhabitants of a future Earth that has developed time travel. That scenario justifies most of the alien evidence if not all of it. It also explains the reported behaviour and experiences of the so-called abducted. It justifies the ancient astronauts, the Gods of history and the archeologic finds.

Imagine if you can, a culture that was forced underground for a millenia or more. A human culture.
What could happen to the human body under restrictive evolutionary conditions. What would happen to our eyes if the light was diminished over long time periods. If our bodies were exposed to certain chemicals and radiations changing our pigment to grey. Over time we would advance technologically and lack of strenuous work would diminish our muscle mass causing us to have whispy frail bodies with large heads and big black eyes. Perhaps a multitude of genetic mutations could occur.
After a vast amount of time, scientists may unlock the time-travel secrets and missions might be sent back to recover "clean" genetic code. Not only to repair our own mutated code but perhaps to repopulate many species.
There are so many scenarios that point to aliens as us, travelling in time, that to ignore that possibility is tantamount to the type of selective thinking that makes us believe they are really aliens.

Is there ever any news about ET abducting plantlife? Its life? Perhaps there isn't news because abducted plants can't really be sensationalized? What about a worm? Worms are alive...so are gazelles, elephants, bacteria and viruses. Aliens come all this way and only want humans? Not chimpanzees or apes or dolphins or eagles, Just humans. Oh, and cattle. LOL I guess they like beef? They are not hacking our supercomputers or abducting advanced weapons. The are not siphoning off our oceans or atmosphere.

I also refuse to believe aliens are teaching, training, developing or evolving us. They are not trickling technology to us. That is even sillier than the idea that they are abducting us for tests.

There is no justifiable reason why an advanced alien culture would hesitate to make themselves known. That pretense is based entirely on a human concept and aliens will not be human in any way.

The Universe may not appreciate creativity and art. The Universe may only acknowledge Order from Chaos and direct, undeviating paths to knowledge. Creativity and art may be the embrace of Chaos. Since Chaos is rampant in the Universe only discipline and decisiveness may rule. Just because we value something doesn't mean an alien culture will.

We are both in THE Universe. One of mankind's biggest delusions is that we are somehow outside the Universe looking in. Everything everyone can know, dream or fantasize is IN THE UNIVERSE. Yes, That means The Universe thinks, dreams and knows. At our level of consciousness we are unable to fathom the Universe's level of awareness but perhaps that is not so for aliens species that have developed for a million or 100 million years. Its a tough concept to grasp and most people can't even go there but with some discipline we can touch the edge.

Creativity is something different than art. Creativity is all around us. From atoms to galactic super-clusters. Art is a concept that is rooted in our perceptions and associations. Art is a learned appreciation. If we put the whole concept of art to the entire spectrum of life as we know it. Art is not a common thing. You can teach a chimp to paint a picture. You can teach it to look at the picture and enjoy it. What chimp, in the wild paints pictures, makes music that is repeatable, sculptures their parents likeness out of river mud and then defends those creations as art? That is just a chimp, What about the other billion or so life forms that are on our planet? What kind of pencil sketches make worms take notice? Do the trees get excited over the sunset colors? Which termite mound is a sculpture of their God? Do birds sing for the same reason as humans create music? My point is that just because we perceive art in nature doesn't mean it was intended as art.

Creativity is such a common thing in the Universe an alien mindset may not even acknowledge its existence. If it does, It might not place as much value on it as we do. It's possible aliens may not be able to perceive beauty. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Aliens may not have a need for eyes as we understand them. Perhaps they appreciate patterns as a beauty to behold, or the absence of patterns.

Funny thing about law, Its not a law unless it is agreed upon by all concerning parties. A natural law is one that supposedly cannot be broken in all the Universe so if it is breakable it is not a law. I give you Black Holes. If known natural laws can be broken within a Black Hole then the known natural laws are not really laws but suppositions. We are like infants compared to the age of the Universe and possible alien intelligences. Place 2 million of our years against hundreds of millions or even billions of years and you realize that what we think we know is far, far less that what we don't know. To assume that humans have it all figured out is our own delusion.

We have programmed our thinking with bounding boxes. To think outside the common delusions is considered insanity. At our level of development perhaps it is insanity. It's a hard discipline to even attempt to fathom reality.

Science sees patterns but only in a conservative way. Chaos itself can be a pattern depending on the scope of the comparison. Point geometric is one example I like that shows chaos in a pattern. You take a point (A true point) and radiate lines out from it on all sides perpendicular from the point. We see a star. We see only a finite number of trajectories possible but we can split each arc in half and add another trajectory based on that. Not only around the circumference but around the entire sphere. Given enough distance, every arc is divisible no matter how close they are at the point. Now, This will blow your mind, add a true point directly beside the first and do the same thing. Then fill all the space in the known universe with points with the same radial lines. This already exists. If this was beheld/observed it might look like chaos, it would be chaos but it is also a predictable pattern. To give you some insight on this concept imagine a single atom. The space within every atom is sparse compared to a true point. The components of atoms are made up of structures such as neutrinos, quarks, muons and the like. Within the scope of each of those components lies even more true points. Even the elusive boson is composed of true points. And that is still only a scientific observation made by a species less than 2 million years in the making.
The first law of thermodynamics, states that the energy of a closed system must remain constant—it can neither increase nor decrease without interference from outside. The universe itself is a closed system, so the total amount of energy in existence has always been the same. The forms that energy takes, however, are constantly changing.
Everything in nature everywhere is comprised of energy. It is the ... GOD ...of the natural world. It takes many forms but it persists and has been around for MORE than 14 Billion years. It has never dissipated or grown. My feeble mind quantifies energy on the same level as the radius of a true point.
Not to be confused with the quantum concept of Zero Point Energy. The quantum world comprises the uncertainty of nature. Quantum dynamics opens paths of dialog that I am currently unwilling to discuss due to the limitations of this topic's parameters. Not to dismiss an alien's possible understanding of quantum science but because it requires more in-depth discussion than would be appropriate for this topic.
Vacuum Energy is also a very interesting topic in itself. It basically destroys the first law of thermodynamics. Stating that energy is constantly being created and destroyed in the Universe.
The reason I expound on the things I do in this topic is that we need to realize that an alien culture that is even slightly more advanced than us might already know our fundamental laws of nature are flawed. Sorta like the silly belief that the speed of light is a barrier. We already know of particles that can exceed that limitation, Neutrinos from an exploding supernova as one example. We know because we have observed them.
Imagine the dismay of our best scientists when an alien reveals proof of anything that goes beyond their concepts of the natural laws. It's not just the random Joe that aliens will affect. It will be humanity as a whole.

By imagining yourself outside the Universe you make it that much bigger. I will try to keep it short and simple.
1. We are all made up of elements that are in the Universe - Thus we are part of the Universe, not the entire Universe but part of it all the same.
2. When a distant star supernovas, even if we don't see it the supernova happened in the Universe. Every particle of carbon, wisp of gas and area of void is also part of the Universe.
3. Being inside the Universe, Every thought, dream, idea, language, work of art and feeling is part of the Universe. Everything that can be understood or imagined is in fact the Universe doing so.
It's a difficult concept to wrap your head around and humanity is bred to think otherwise. It still doesn't change the facts. Being within the Universe makes us the Universe. When we try to imagine ourselves outside the Universe the imagination that creates the reference is also inside the Universe. Thus the Universe expands By its imagination. The Universe is everything we are and more. Physical and meta-physical, spiritual and scientific. It all sources from within its boundaries. If any one boundary is pushed, its the Universe that pushes and any new ground that is had, whether it be solid or imagined, is engulfed by the Universe.
Many people think the Universe is only the 3d solid reality stuff like stars and planets but everything within its existence is within it. Including all those things that can't be quantified.

Here is something that I like to ponder, Its a What If?

What if humans are the only life form that thinks of itself as outside the Universe?
What if all other life, known & unknown, automatically knows what we dismiss?
What if an alien, a worm or a tree knows all the secrets of the Universe that we can't/won't see?
What if the unknown can be revealed by just removing the delusions we teach ourselves?

Granted it would be difficult, if not impossible, for some of us. Humanity breeds delusions into itself every generation. However, if you think about albinos and how that condition can manifest itself over generations and how many albinos are on this planet you can realize that clarity can also be manifest over generations.

Once the delusions start to fall, clarity begins to take shape. Since the delusions are a taught trait, reinforced by generations, that trait can be overcome.

This is but the tip of the iceberg of things that humanity is deluded about. Some alien culture that may visit us may not be deluded at all. Their ways and reasons may be so clear that we will not be able to cope because it breaks the delusions that we hold dear. Delusions we don't even know we have.

If someone strips a delusion from you it is scary to experience. A violation of your comfort zone. You respond to it as a threat, getting mad, sad or uneasy. Once the delusion is revealed and you understand that you were deluded you can exist in that clarity and you wonder how you deluded yourself in the first place.

The delusions that we experience are not all bad when considering humanity. Society, laws and commerce are all built on delusions that benefit our species. Rights give us balance and integrity. Ownership drives understanding and fuels expansion. Love & Hate dictate our path in sociability. Sociability creates unification. And So On...
The delusions make us who we are and what we will become. ON THIS PLANET.

Aliens may have different delusions or none at all.

Now even though some scientists are world-renowned they are still only humans. Still stuck on this same planet as you and I. Still restricted by some delusions that are unbreakable at our present evolutionary point. In the past scientific facts are proven wrong by new scientific facts. To consider that we can know everything about anything is a delusion. We don't even understand ourselves and we have plenty of samples and many years of observation, not to mention an inside view.

This topic is intended to be a realistic exploration of the impact of an actual alien visit and how people would react in real life at such a revelation. My diversions are intended to open paths of thinking that justify some reactions of some people that are more reality inclined. The population masses would not be able to handle such an event but some individuals may embrace it. Some individuals may handle the extreme thinking that would result. I believe people that are science fiction oriented will have a better chance at remaining sane while hard core scientifically minded individuals will crack due to the destruction of their hard set laws and rationality. People of religious persuasion will become angry and want war or collapse into their own hell. There won't be many that will even try to understand the unknown. The Scifi mind will be open to possibilities that others can't or won't even consider. On top of all that...Everyone might be completely wrong and the reality may be something else entirely.

Since probability is rooted in Chaos and possibility is rooted in imagination I agree that anything is possible. Its even possible that aliens changed the human genome 2 million years ago to create sentience in us on purpose. I even think its probable that aliens contact us regularly with transmission methods that we can not yet fathom. It's probable that aliens do exist both more and less advanced than we are.

In today's world no video, audio or photo can ever be 'trusted' to be proof of anything. I personally am not interested in watching videos, especially videos that are slanted to an agenda to show proof. Just recently there was a big scandal about how the documentary syndicates were using statements from scientists to show proof while the scientists themselves admitted that their statements were taken out of context and were used as answers to questions the documentary team never asked them. Back when I 'was' watching the so called science & history channels I still had issue with the way they edited the documentaries. Even the animal nature shows were unbelievable for the statements that they made.

UFO Secrecy: First we must agree that UFO does not mean alien. UFO is Unidentified Flying Object. As for secrecy, it is likely that there are instances when something is seen in the sky and being unknown it is kept secret. Just because they are not sure what to call it. It could be ball lightning or a slow meteorite that doesn't burn up during atmospheric descent. Speculation runs rampant when something is unidentified but the key point that seems to be overlooked is that is Unidentified.

Free Energy: Free energy is already abundant. Free energy is not the monetary value of the energy. It is energy that needs no work to utilize. Your body uses free energy constantly. There is this big ball of fire in the sky that gives it to us everyday. We are standing on a huge source of free energy. The invention of a process to unlock the energy in an atom is not free. Even if fission and fusion energy were made portable it would require tremendous work to contain it in a useable container.

Tesla Technology: Tesla devised technology to capture and retransmit static energy. Energy that is produced by the normal physics of our planet. His greatest technology consisted of basically large capacitors and transmitters. Edison used electromagnetic repulsion and electromagnetic induction to create energy from magnetism. The reason we use Edison technology now is because it was a funding battle. Edison won. The fact that both technologies occurred during the same time-frame indicates that there was no supernatural influence.

Interstellar Travel: There is no way to prove that anything, even a rock, has traveled from star system to star system. Lets say you find a rock that you believe comes from another star system. It comes from the Centari System which is our closest system at only about 4.5 light years. The first thing you must prove is that it is NOT from Earth. To do that you must try to identify the components and verify that they are not known substances. For every substance that is found on Earth the probability of it being extra-terrestrial goes down. But you can't stop there. You must then identify substances that may be from our own Solar system. Since we don't have a library of all the substances within our own star system any unidentified substances make the probability increase while any known extra-terrestrial but known substances again make the probability go down. Then, you are left with unidentified substances that could be from another star system. Without having a library of known substances from other star systems it is improbable that you will be able to identify them. At this point the source of that rock is pure speculation.
I know, you say there is carbon dating and radiation signatures. Proof of the radiation signatures and dating only proves the radiation signatures and age of the rock. Not its journey.
Can you prove I traveled to Washington DC and back? Unless I bring back something that is known to only exist in Washington DC the only thing you can really do is speculate. I can 'say' I went there but really I stopped off in Norfolk, Virginia and never landed foot in Washington DC. I can drive around the block to rack up mileage on my car, I can stay out of sight for the time period needed. I can photoshop pictures of me standing at the capitol or with the right equipment insert myself into any video.
As for space debris that might fall to Earth from another star system even that is unlikely. Sure it has probably happened and will probably happen again but can it be proven? Our star has what is called a heliopause and a shock boundary. Think of it as turgor pressure in a plant cell or your own internal pressure that lets you cope with Earth's atmospheric pressure. Only objects with enough mass can pass thru the boundary. Once they do they are deflected by all sources of gravity encountered during its long journey to our planet surface.
If, keyword, IF, we had a craft that was supposedly from another star system and could study it using today's forensic methods the best we could do would be to confirm it is not from our planet. Even if there were references to star charts and trajectories found within. Even if we found unidentified materials. Without a comparison proof to judge by, it's origin is still only speculation.

Anti-gravity Propulsion:
There is a flaw in the very description of this term. Gravity exists everywhere. Our astronauts in space are not in an environment that is free of gravity, they are in micro-gravity. Gravity is even at the the particle scale in atoms. Anti-gravity refers to something opposite of gravity. It is not referring to overcoming micro-gravity. Anti-matter is the opposite of matter.
Overcoming gravity is common. We can do it with a ball. Magnetic repulsion levitates and propels our trains. Our space probes are propelled by gravity but not the absence or opposite of it. Its called gravitational assist.
I am not saying Anti-Gravity is not possible, just improbable. The recently discovered Boson is thought to have a force in the Universe that keeps matter from flying apart (Bose-Einstein Condensate). If the secrets to the Boson were unlocked and could be harnessed into a tool then it could produce something that could negate the affects of gravity. As it is, we need a super-collider just to prove it exists. If we had a craft to study we could not prove that it is/was propelled by so-called anti-gravity. Even if a craft did use anti-gravity as propulsion it would need a gravity field within it to negate the affects on the occupants and the materials needed to maintain the outer field. This would require the ability to create gravity at the atomic level inside an area of anti-gravity. Any matter within the affect of the anti-gravity field would fly apart at the atomic/sub-atomic level.

Show me anyone that can think in reality without being jaded by any delusions. Just one person that has factual witnessed knowledge of all things possible. A person that is not influenced by others, their own belief system or the misconceptions of ignorance.
I don't care what title they wear, who praises them or how powerful they think they are - everyone (except infants) are jaded by social interactions and ideas, deluded in one way or the other.

Dude, we already have visited Earth.



By the way, nobody here wants to read a novel when reading a discussion post.

We would become Alienated

How did they survive through their "Political Correctness" period?

LOL ~ lovin it guys
Alienated hahaha

They have already been here for thousands of years back and fourth. More specifically Greys, reptilian, draconians, pleiadians. Etc. Ask under the teachings of Mardik and Ennki

good one Simpy

See all the madness and insanity what goes on, on this planet and run!

Finally a Human gets it.

Perhaps we would read the aliens manifesto from end to the beginning in small bit size chunks or like me only read the end of the original posting.

While a human infant may not be jaded it certainly perceives through mechanisms that manufactures illusions.

No human can witness and know all things factual or for that matter know every thing relative to any given situation. Thats why they invent gods and seek alien guidance.
Deluding themselves that their own ignorance is not something they should fear.
Even without such invention the aliens would note our ability of denying our ignorance as one of our necessary but dangerous survival skills

There will be a lot more strange people to work our way through on here lol although it would be interesting to see their "nude photos " as in the fake profiles lol

If aliens were on the forum would it qualify as an intergalactic dating?

Wow mikey4yousweety! I hope they picked the good ones LOL
It should be easy. Internet is full of sites with all kinds of photos.
And there is a photoshop for a final touch too : -D

Or maybe they would be from the planet A-Hole and love it and stay.

Or maybe they would be wearing rose colored intergalactic glasses and see the good that DOES go on, and is always overlooked, and stay.

Either or, I suppose.

What happened to the Native Americans when the English showed up?

What happened to the Incas when the Spanish showed up?

What happened to the Hawaiians?

What happened to the Polynesians on Bikini Island?

Did you actually write this whole thing?

Some people have way too much free time. I was done after the first paragraph.

the back few pages of my mortgage contract are shorter then this