Topic: INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
karmafury's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:00 PM
You'd have to be a Federal Minister for that not provincial. Would be Minister of Immigration a Federal position.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:19 PM
How about my very own Canadian Minuteman project?

karmafury's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:22 PM
Uh!!! We don't have that here.

karmafury's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:23 PM
In fact you'd have to oversee their being disbanded. Para-military organizations are frowned upon here.

adj4u's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:24 PM

they did need the help of the Mexicans to do it though ... laugh



However, only the already modernized Mexican Air Force was to actually engage in combat. Mexican pilots received additional training in the United States and in 1945 fought valiantly in the air war in the Phillipines. Only one squadron, Number 201, actually saw combat. Nicknamed "The Aztec Eagles," they flew P-47 Thunderbolt fighters and offered close ground support for U.S. and Philipino ground forces as they struggled to liberate the islands from the Japanese. Decorated by the United States, Mexico and the Phillipines, its 31 pilots and approximately 150 ground support personnel were the only Mexican military force to serve outside of Mexico. Of the squadron's 31 pilots, 5 were killed in action. Its personnel, both pilots and ground support elements certainly deserve to be regarded as heros by both Mexico and the United States

Although the role of Mexicans in combat was minimal, the denial of Mexico as a safe harbor for German submarines was of great importance. Mexican oil also helped fuel the U.S. war machine. With over 6 million American men in the armed forces and thousands of women in the factories, Mexican agricultural workers kept the food chain moving and, as we have already noted, Mexican raw materials were vital to the war effort. The supply was secure from submarine attacks and did not tie up warships in convoy duty.

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/slenchek/slmexicoww2.html

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interesting

less than 200 in combat hhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm

adj4u's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:26 PM


Well Belushi it is amasing what U.S.american can do when we set our minds to it dont you remember WWII we saved your butts and kicked Japans ars at the same time you definately under estimate the power of our people who are fed up with this invasion.VOTE LOU DOBBS for PRESIDENT he will nip this bull in the butt...


Excuse me you didnt kick Japan's arse, you tested bombs out on citizens, elderly people, children and any your sick government decided to. Decimated two cities of civilians..

Because your country had a bomb you needed to test out.

That's not anything more than inhumane aggression.



seems that forgotten is pearl harbor when japan was testing
bombs on civilians

funny how that was not mentioned

Fanta46's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:36 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 11/22/07 02:37 PM
OOps,
first let me say, "Dang, Im proud to be an American!!drinker





ONE MORE!!!! Interesting........

By The Associated Press
WICHITA, Kan. - Republican and Democratic lawmakers in Kansas are drafting separate bills targeting illegal immigration amid fears about a potential influx of illegal immigrants from neighboring states that have already started cracking down.



Across the nation, at least 127 cities and states have passed or are considering local laws aimed at curbing illegal immigration, according to a database compiled by the Fair Immigration Reform Movement, a project of the Center for Community Change, an immigrant advocacy group based in Washington, D.C.

In Kansas, some people are concerned that illegal immigrants may move here from the neighboring states of Oklahoma, Colorado and Missouri, which have passed laws or instituted policies aimed at illegal immigration.

((("As should be Canada" Fury!!)))

"I don't believe Kansas should become a sanctuary state as other states continue to pass legislation," said Rep. Brenda Landwehr, R-Wichita.

If the federal government is not going to solve the illegal immigration problem, she said, then states have to step in.

Her proposal, which is still being drafted, is based on laws in Oklahoma, Arizona and Colorado, Landwehr said. It would revoke business licenses and impose civil penalties on any Kansas business found to have employed an illegal immigrant, enforce federal law denying public benefits to illegal immigrants and strengthen local enforcement efforts.

The measure also would impose civil and criminal penalties on illegal immigrants and prohibit Kansas municipalities from becoming "sanctuary cities" by opting out of state immigration reform, she said.

What has been said???? Hide and Watch!!!


karmafury's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:38 PM



Well Belushi it is amasing what U.S.american can do when we set our minds to it dont you remember WWII we saved your butts and kicked Japans ars at the same time you definately under estimate the power of our people who are fed up with this invasion.VOTE LOU DOBBS for PRESIDENT he will nip this bull in the butt...


Excuse me you didnt kick Japan's arse, you tested bombs out on citizens, elderly people, children and any your sick government decided to. Decimated two cities of civilians..

Because your country had a bomb you needed to test out.

That's not anything more than inhumane aggression.



seems that forgotten is pearl harbor when japan was testing
bombs on civilians

funny how that was not mentioned


The main targets at Pearl were MILITARY TARGETS. Fatman and Littleboy were dropped on civilian targets.

adj4u's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:53 PM
have you not watched the history channel

about the balloon bombs that japan sent to the u s

and some of which were found in oregon n washington nonmilitary area

or the civil defense of the nation of japan

that is why there will never be another war fought to defeat

you can not fight a politically correct war

Fanta46's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:53 PM
Its kinda hard to drop a Nuke on just a ship or Army base!
They tend to be near cities!

The US was trying to take out the industrial mite of Japans war machine, which by that point was pretty much defeated!

Other than the mainland Japan was defeated!

Fanta46's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:55 PM
It was not until after the US had drafted a military plan to take over Mexico, because the Mexican Government had no political stability, that the Mexicans closed their ports from Japanese and German shipping, and seized the ships that were in port! (1942) Even then, they could not have done so without the US Navy's help!

Seems like I remember reading that the Mexicans had seized American oil co's equipment and property shortly before the Japanese had performed a sneak attack on Pearl harbor!drinker

adj4u's photo
Thu 11/22/07 02:58 PM

have you not watched the history channel

about the balloon bombs that japan sent to the u s

and some of which were found in oregon n washington nonmilitary area

or the civil defense of the nation of japan

that is why there will never be another war fought to defeat

you can not fight a politically correct war



The first balloons were launched on November 3, 1944 and began landing in the United States on November 5th (off San Pedro, California) and by the following day (November 6th) were landing as far away as Thermopolis, Wyoming. 285 confirmed landings/sightings were made over a wide area, stretching from the Aleutian Islands, Canada and across the width and breadth of the continental United States: as far south as Nogales, Arizona (on the Mexican border) and easterly, to Farmington, Michigan (10 miles from Detroit). Most of the ballast bags were released in the trip across the north Pacific, but a few balloons crashed without exploding and some of the ballast bags were recovered. All of the bags contained the same type of dark colored sand.

http://web.umr.edu/~rogersda/forensic_geology/Japenese%20vengenance%20bombs%20new.htm

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hhmmmm seems japan was bombing civilian areas first
imagine that

adj4u's photo
Thu 11/22/07 03:01 PM
The U.S. government muzzled the media about making any mention of the balloons in fear that whoever was producing them might be encouraged to send more. On March 5, 1945 a minister’s wife and five Sunday School students on a fishing trip were killed by one of the grounded balloons near Bly, Oregon

yea military target that was




Fanta46's photo
Thu 11/22/07 03:05 PM
Back to topic;


Late fall is a peak time to make the attempt, because of the desire among many families to be together during the holidays, and because many parents who crossed over early in the year for the growing or construction season have saved enough money and established themselves enough to send for their kids.

Children who are caught on the bridges are sent back to shelters on the Mexican side to wait for family members to claim them. Those caught on the U.S. side, such as Douglas and his sisters, are usually sent to American shelters, and after a lot of red tape, many are ultimately released to their families in this country, even though the parents are illegal immigrants.

But the risks are considerable, for the families, their children and the adults who try to smuggle the youngsters in.

In some cases, depending on the federal agency or the particular officer involved, the illegal-immigrant parents can be taken into custody when they show up to claim their child, and the whole family can then be deported.

As for entrusting children to professional smugglers, "if they're young girls they could be raped. Little boys can be sold to other families," said Nina Pruneda of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "They could be kidnapped, held for more money. Some actually make it, end up with their families, everything's happy. Others don't."

The adults who try to bring children across are often well-meaning relatives or acquaintances who often end up being charged with a crime and having their vehicle seized.

At the Hidalgo port alone, customs officers have stopped 24 child-smuggling attempts since the 2007 fiscal year began Oct. 1, Higgerson said. Customs spokesman Rick Pauza said Laredo's two bridges saw 218 child smuggling attempts during fiscal year 2006, many of them during the holidays, though he did not have a month-by-month breakdown.

Martha Newton, director of the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement, said 65 percent of the approximately 8,000 children sheltered yearly across the nation end up released to someone in the United States.

"We will release to undocumented sponsors," she said, referring to parents who are not citizens. "We are not the Department of Homeland Security. We're in charge of the best interests of the child."

On Monday, a happy, playful Douglas sat in a big chair next to lawyers and Texas social workers, peeking around and smiling joyfully at a man claiming to be his uncle and a man he did not seem to know as well, who said he was the father.

That man, a Fort Lauderdale, Fla., restaurant worker named Maximo Lemus Andrade, carried family photos and documents that had been faxed from Guatemala. A family court judge ordered paternity testing and a check of the documents and said the child would stay in foster care until a hearing in January.



AND, We are called inhumane!!grumble grumble

Jess642's photo
Thu 11/22/07 03:06 PM
Edited by Jess642 on Thu 11/22/07 03:07 PM
Actually, Pearl Harbour is when you guys figured it was time to see some action....and yes, many people lost their lives...and it was horrendous..

The differences I see, Fanta, is Japan bombed a MILITARY installation, and as war ships and ground combat was a mighty part of the American military BACK THEN....it was a tactical move in a WARTIME situation.

Was it provoked?

Was it right?

HELL NO !!!

Many husbands, sons, daughters wives, lost their lives in Pearl Harbour...it was WRONG, in my opinion.


As was the bombing of London, and all through Europe, the atrocities abounded.


It was all wrong..

However, not accepting your part in the shame of bombing civilians with a horrendous and equally terrible carnage to innocents,as the nazis and their attacks on Jewish people...was wrong...is wrong, and will always be wrong.

The bombs that the US military exploded over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, affect civilians to this day.


War is wrong.

Oppression of desperate HUMAN beings first and foremost, from any nationality, belief system is wrong.

The attacks on the US twin towers and the pentagon, and flight whatever number it was....is wrong.

Killing innocents in Iraq is wrong...

It is all wrong.

Life is precious...EVERY LIFE>

karmafury's photo
Thu 11/22/07 03:08 PM
If I remember correctly the balloon bombs were separate from Pearl Harbor. You first specified Pearl Harbor.

Unfortunately yes military targets are usually found near civilian areas. But the Americans had a good idea of the power of the A Bombs and still used them on a predominantly civilian target. There is no comparision between the three attacks.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 11/22/07 03:16 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 11/22/07 03:16 PM
As I have said jess!

But, maybe you need to go back and read what someone else has said!

And quit being so sensitive to everything!!
If the shoe doesnt fit,, quit putting the dang thing on!

Jess642's photo
Thu 11/22/07 03:18 PM
Truth is Fanta,

You will decide I post in these threads because somehow, you have decided I hate America...which onflows into hating Americans.

Wrong on both counts.

I dont hate anyone... I don't have it in me.

I intensely dislike being labelled as such... it is not factual.

I do see with unbiased eyes....I do see first and foremost humans...precious lives, and with all my posts in current events I am motivated by the conservation of humanity and gentle and generous humanness first.

I don't need to swagger and say my country rocks, yours sucks... I dont need to be puffed up chested and say I AM AN AUSTRALIAN...blah blah blah..I AM AN AUSTRALIAN and pretend to be all patriotic.

I care as much for the people of the US, as I do for the people in Iraq.

And as I do for my next door neighbour, and the people on the street here.

We are different in how we view things, and that is fine.

However when current events is flooded with mostly US politiks what;s the point of posting, if I am to be constantly slammed for having an opinion, and apperently by your views I am not entitled to one, because I dont live in the US.

Using your logic, why is your military in Iraq?

They are not Iraqi's so should mind there own business...and stay out of there.


Also in Afghanistan...you are not Afghani's so shouldn't you stay out of there?

And Timor, and North/South Korea, and Germany, and all the other places?

You are Americans,... shouldn't your people mind their own business too? And stick to their own problems in their own country?

Your logic doesn't quite work when we expand it out..

Jess642's photo
Thu 11/22/07 03:19 PM
Sensitive?

Nope... completely calm, and oh my !! I have an opinion, I have an education, as well as a bikini...imagine that?

adj4u's photo
Thu 11/22/07 03:22 PM

If I remember correctly the balloon bombs were separate from Pearl Harbor. You first specified Pearl Harbor.

Unfortunately yes military targets are usually found near civilian areas. But the Americans had a good idea of the power of the A Bombs and still used them on a predominantly civilian target. There is no comparision between the three attacks.



sucked to be them

as well as the sunday school teachers and her students

fact is they bombed civilian targets first

and yes did say pearl first

wonder how many civilians died there