Amber Merkle was only 8 when she died in a four-car wreck May 1, caused by illegal alien Arturo Lupian. A third-grade student in Decatur Alabama, Amber lived for a few hours on life support until medical staff took her off because there was no evidence of brain activity. She had been on a Saturday afternoon outing of ice cream and fun with her aunt and cousin.
The drunk driver Arturo Lupian had an elevated blood alcohol level of .11 at 2:30 in the afternoon when his vehicle slammed into the stopped SUV in which Amber was riding. (Alabama has a limit of .08.) There were no skid marks at the accident scene, so apparently Lupian didn't even try to stop. If convicted, he faces 2 to 20 years in prison for manslaughter.
Amber's mother Ruby remarked, "I hope he does more than two years. I don't want him going to Mexico and getting another name, and doing it again."
Update: Three months after the death, emotional recovery has been difficult for Amber's mom, but has been helped a great deal by a supportive community and good friends.

• Vinessa Hoera was a young single mom, only 23, when she was brutally raped and murdered by an illegal alien from Guatemala, Faustino Chavez, who apparently was angry when his advances toward her were not received positively. The bruises on her body showed that she tried to fight off her attacker but was not successful.
The young woman's family was shocked to hear the details of how savage her murder had been, like how her throat had been slashed several times from ear to ear. "I'm in shock," said Donna Hoera, the victim's mother. "I'm sick, I didn't know a lot of what they said." She further described her daughter as "on the up. She was a single mom, just bought a new car. She was a life-lover, a very positive person." Vinessa had a five-year-old son.

• Troy Payton was stabbed to death with a butcher knife by an illegal alien, Abimael Azmitia, during a confrontation after Azmitia had insulted a 15-year-old girl, all of whom lived in a residence motel near Las Vegas. Even though the killer was a previously deported illegal alien, District Judge Joseph Bonaventure sentenced Azmitia to only 19 to 48 months even though the killer pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter. Azmitia also had a prior arrest record for assault and domestic violence in Colorado, and had been deported a month before the killing.
Troy Payton was an iron worker who was remembered by his friends and family as someone who cared deeply for Nevada's history and wide open spaces. "He loved wild horses, Harley Davidsons and mines," according to his mother Peggy Irving. He was 32 years old when he was killed in April.

• Officer Will Seuis a motorcycle patrolman in Oakland, California, was killed on his ride home by an illegal alien. Fortunately some witnesses on the highway immediately phoned 911 and the accused hit-and-run driver, Carlos Mares, was quickly caught. Mares was driving his truck with a commercial load.
A sixteen-year veteran of the Police Department, Officer Seuis was remembered at his funeral as a hard-working cop who had received 33 letters of appreciation from citizens, including one from a motorist he had ticketed. He had been in traffic enforcement since 1998, and was a member of the department's 20-member precision motorcycle drill team. Seuis left a wife, Michelle, and two daughters.
The accused killer has a history of traffic convictions. It's curious that illegal alien Mares has his own business, Mares Trucking.

• Officer Michael Gordon lost his life to a drunk driving illegal alien. The Chicago policeman was in the driver's seat of his squad car when it was struck by Luis Calle, a Guatemalan whose blood alcohol level was 0.177, twice the legal limit. Another officer, John Delcason, sustained injuries and was in fair condition in the hospital a few days after the incident. Luis Calle died a few hours after striking the police car.
Michael Gordon is survived by his wife and four children. Several of his relatives have also been police officers, including his father, brother, uncle and cousin. Before entering the police department, Gordon joined the 81st Airborne right after high school, serving in Bosnia and Korea. As a policeman, he asked to be assigned to a tough part of Chicago because he wanted to do more than just write tickets.

You can say what you want and please do continue your debate on the laws and progression of the thread as you called it. I will continue to call the original post a lie and propaganda of the worst kind, racial/prejudice propaganda designed to raz the masses into Nazi style roundups of a group of humans in an animalistic fashion that should be considered very unAmerican as we are a nation of immigrants. This original post is lies and untruths of the worst kind.

Terry and Lisa Dilks were found murdered from multiple gunshot wounds in their home in Urbandale, Iowa. On August 26, police announced that they had arrested one suspect of two, an illegal alien from Mexico known as Leocardio Lopez, but whose actual name is Audiel Molasco-Tello. The Dilks had a 15-year-old son, Dustin, but he was not at home at the time of the killing. Now he's an orphan because illegal aliens murdered his parents.
Also sought in the crime is another man, Raymundo Cruz Gomez. Gomez was a former employee at Applebee's Restaurant where he worked as a cook. Terry Dilks was his supervisor there.
Update: A month after the Iowa double murder, not a great deal has changed. Molasco-Tello has been indicted for re-entering the country illegally and Gomez is still being sought, though local police believe he has left the area.

• What sort of monster could murder three children in the most brutal manner — one child was beheaded and the two other were nearly decapitated. They also suffered a variety of injuries including blunt force trauma and asphyxiation. The victims, residents of Baltimore, (l. to r.) were siblings Alexis Quezada (10) and Lucero Quezada (9) and their cousin Ricardo Espinoza (9).
The two men arrested for the crime were also relatives: Policarpio Espinoza, 22, brother of the father of the two siblings, and Espinoza's cousin Adan Espinoza Canela, 17. The accused are illegal aliens as are the parents of the murdered children. Apparently the arrests were based on DNA/blood evidence.

• We must add the name of Brandon Winfield to the list of police officers murdered by illegal aliens. On Thursday, Oct. 14, Officer Winfield was checking out a disabled vehicle on State Route 423, south of Marion, Ohio, and apparently felt he was helping a stranded motorist. Details of the murder are not exactly clear, but Winfield was found shot in the head in his patrol car which had run off the road.
The police are now searching for Juan Carlos Cruz who is considered armed and dangerous. Another suspect, as yet unnamed, is being held and is believed to be an illegal alien.
Deputy Winfield was married and had two sons, ages 2 and 3. The photo shows him with his three-year-old son Landon.

• Another tragic addition to the list of unnessary deaths caused by violent illegal aliens was the newlywed couple, James and Emilia Lee of Huachuca City, Arizona, who had been married only six weeks. They were killed Oct. 16 when a truckload of at least 17 illegal aliens traveling at 90 mph crashed into several vehicles near the town of Sierra Vista, leaving a horrific scene of carnage. The aliens were trying to escape police after they had run a stop sign, and the truck rammed into a line of nine vehicles waiting for a turn light near Fort Huachuca.
The photo shows James Lee's son Joe and grandson Christopher. James was 75 and his new bride Emilia was 71. The couple had been planning a fishing trip to Mexico with Joe and other relatives. Both James and Emilia were known as neighborly, never hesitating to reach out to help. James often helped out when someone needed a home repair done, and Emilia was an active volunteer for her church. Nearly 300 friends and family attended the services for the Lees held Oct. 21.




Want more?

Believe!!!!

I cannot stop people from their hatefilled pursuits but I can call the information hatefilled, bigoted, racial/prejudice propaganda for what it is, and that is what I will do. I am a proud American who is ashamed of fellow American prejudice goals.

Legislation that could grant legal status to hundreds of thousands of undocumented high school graduates is creating a schism among Latino educators and others who have typically favored legalization efforts.

At issue is a component of the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act, or DREAM Act, a bill that could be voted on in the Senate by next week as an amendment to a Department of Defense authorization bill.

The proposed legislation, a version of which was first introduced in 2001, would make high school graduates who arrived in the United States illegally at 15 or younger and who have lived here at least five years, eligible for conditional legal status provided they attend two years of college or serve two years in the military. After six years, those who meet the conditions could obtain legal permanent resident status.

It is the military service component that has landed some Latino supporters of legalization measures on the same side of the proposal as the immigration restriction lobby, which decries the DREAM Act as amnesty.

Those uncomfortable with the military component see the measure as a devil’s bargain: On one hand, it offers a shot at higher education and success to young people who might otherwise have to spend their lives in the shadows. On the other, they fear that those who can’t afford college, or don’t see it as a viable choice, might feel compelled to join the military not because they want to, but because they fear eventual deportation.


Just seems like a way to get a cheap military from those who cannot afford a college education and fear deportation. These would have no voice even while serving since they have no vote, no rights.

I will not stop so you can say what you want and please do continue your debate on the laws and progression of the thread as you called it. I will continue to call the original post a lie and propaganda of the worst kind, racial/prejudice propaganda designed to raz the masses into Nazi style roundups of a group of humans in an animalistic fashion that should be considered very unAmerican as we are a nation of immigrants. This original post is lies and untruths of the worst kind.

Is OK dragoness.
At first, when you realize the bull that you have believed for so long is bull. The denial can be overwhelming! In time though you can learn to accept the truth!!!

You are just in the first stage to enlightment!!

No denial here, just being nice to you!

Statistics on Crime in America 2007

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles, Calif. are for illegal aliens. 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix, Ariz. are for illegal aliens. 86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque, N.M., are for illegal aliens.

75% of people on the "Most Wanted" list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals in the U.S. illegally. 40% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals in the U.S. illegally. 48% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals in the U.S. illegally.

630,000 convicted illegal alien felons occupy our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.

More than 53% of burglaries in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

More than 50% of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

More than 70 % of all cars stolen in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California are stolen by illegals.

More than 43% of all drivers stopped by police in California are illegal aliens who have no license, insurance, or registration. More than 61% of all drivers stopped in Arizona are illegal aliens who have no license, insurance, or registration for the vehicle. More than 64% of drivers stopped in New Mexico are illegal aliens who have no license, insurance, or registration.

Prove it aint so!

I already did. You can say what you want and please do continue your debate on the laws and progression of the thread as you called it. I will continue to call the original post a lie and propaganda of the worst kind, racial/prejudice propaganda designed to raz the masses into Nazi style roundups of a group of humans in an animalistic fashion that should be considered very unAmerican as we are a nation of immigrants. This original post is lies and untruths of the worst kind.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

If anything that supports more than condemn the fiqures karma!

Not from what I read. The lumping together of ALL Hispanics does NOT give a representation of what the ILLEGALS do.

Karma, that was already pointed out to them, I do not remember who did the original post of the website, stating that the origin of the information came from an uninformed constituent who wrote a letter to a senator stating these false stats. They ignored it then and will probably again. I have also pointed out the INS is not even called the INS anymore, hasn't been for a few years now but that is ignored also. I also posted links to the official FBI and JUSTICE websites showing crime stats, that was ignored also. Maybe you will have more luck than we did but I doubt it. Hatemongering and fearmongering is the method of racist/prejudice people to get the masses to follow their sick agenda. This post is just that, untrue bigoted information to lead the masses to support Nazi style roundups of humans in America for the perpetuation of the racist/prejudice, disguised as American supporters, agenda movement. It is untrue propaganda.

When I woke up this morning, I said
Im going to make a thread about the Chestnut tree and not talk about illegal immigration today!

Then Dragoness started with her hatred filled bigotry!
Dang, Im here again, and
really its a mute point
the States, one by one are passing legislation to solve the problem.

My State while slow, with my help and thousands of others is progressing towards that same end!
Despite the bleeding hearts in this country truth and common sense are winning!

One day soon, we will put this issue behind us!
In doing so we will not have spent one cent in gas to haul them back. They will leave on their own!!

Here's another for you Fanta. Also previously posted.



http://anthonytrammel.blogspot.com/2007/10/internet-blogs-rumors-facts.html



ILLEGAL ALIEN "CONTRIBUTIONS" TO THE U.S.
2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME

95% of Warrants in LOS ANGELES are for ILLEGAL ALIENS
83% of Warrants for MURDER in Phoenix Arizona are FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS
86% of Warrants for MURDER in Albuquerque New Mexico are for ILLEGAL ALIENS
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, Albuquerque are ILLEGAL ALIENS
24.9% OF ALL INMATES in California detention centers are Mexican Nationals here ILLEGALLY
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican Nationals here ILLEGALLY
29% (630,000) Convicted ILLEGAL ALIENS felons fill our state and federal prisons
at the cost of $1.5 Billion Annually
53% Plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona
and Texas are perpertrated by ILLEGAL ALIENS
50% Plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are ILLEGAL ALIENS
71% Plus of all apprehended Cars stolden in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California
were stolen by ILLEGAL ALIENS or "Transport Coyotes"
47% of cited / stopped Drivers in California have NO License, NO Insurance, and NO Registration
for the vehicle of that 47%, over 92% were ILLEGAL ALIENS
63% of cited / stopped Drivers in Arizona have NO License, NO Insurance, and NO Registration for
the vehicle of that 63%, over 97% are ILLEGAL ALIENS
66% of cited / stopped Drivers in New Mexico have NO License, NO Insurance, and NO Registration
for the vehicle Of that 66%, over 98% were ILLEGAL ALIENS

BIRTHS

380,000 Plus "ANCHOR BABIES" were born in the U.S. in 2005 to ILLEGAL ALIEN PARENTS, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S. Citizens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid for by American taxpayers.
66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid by taxpayers

HOUSING

300,000 plus illegal aliens in Los Angeles Country are living in garages.
Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties in the United States are illegal aliens.

TV & RADIO STATIONS

14 out of 31 TV stations in L.C. are Spanish only 16 out of 28 TV stations in Phoenix are Spanish only.
15 out of 24 TV stations in Albuquerque are Spanish only 21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish only.
17 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish only 17 radio stations in Albuquerque are Spanish only

SCHOOLS

34% plus of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens and 24% plus are non-English speaking.
39% plus of California students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens and 42% plus are non-English speaking.
In Los Angeles County, 5.1 million people speak English - 3.9 million speak Spanish.

SOCIAL SERVICES
43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens
41% of all Unemployment Checks in the United States are to illegal aliens
58% of all Welfare payments in the United States are issued to illegal aliens
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking crops but 41% are on welfare

POPULATION
Over 70% of the U.S. annual population growth (and over 90% of CA, FL, and NY) results from immigration

EMPLOYER PROFITS
The estimated profit to U.S. corporations and businesses employing illegal aliens in 2005 was more than 2.36 trillion

TAXES
62% of all "undocumented immigrants" in the U.S. are working for cash and not paying taxes, predominantly illegal aliens are working without a green card
The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 (last known calculation by Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University) was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay), $70 Billion per year.
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average illegal alien is $55,000 cost to the American taxpayer in a 5-year span. You personally pay $11,000 every year to illegal aliens.

JOBS (per Center for Immigration Studies - September 2006): Between 2000 and 2005

4.1 million immigrant workers arrived in the U.S., accounting for 86% of the net inrease in the total number of employed persons (16 & older), the highest share ever recorded in the U.S. Of the 4.1 million, between 1.4 and 2.7 million are estimated to be illegal aliens. Also, between 2000 and 2005, the number of young (16 to 34) native-born men employed declined by 1.7 million - at the same time, the number of new male immigrant workers increased by 1.9 millio


I visited the FBI statistics site and didn't find a single thing on this.

I visited the site map at the INS site and couldn't find anything. A "statistics" and "statistics crime" query in their search box produced nothing either.

Then I look over the original post and compare it with some of the results from my google search (exclusively wordpress, blog and bulletin board posts) and see that things have been added on to it and there are misspellings. Click here to see the search results from Google for "2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants". Nothing at all comes up if I add "domain:.gov" to the search.

I dunno. It's just interesting to me, not because I care one way or the other about the immigration issue, but, rather, because it would seem that things can be passed around as the "truth" with nothing but the number of people reposting it to back it up.

Like I said, maybe, somebody has better searching skills than I do and can find the original source for this and I'd really like to see it, just 'cause those are some pretty mind-blowing statistics to me and if true would probably make me lean towards immigration reform / control if they are.

It's interesting to me how we (including me) see what we want and changing one's mind about things is incredibly difficult. I would guess 'cause it's a sort of mini-suicide, in that you are killing a piece of yourself off.

If it turns into what the hatemongers of the original post are hoping for there will be lawsuits reversing the laws due to the humanity issue of which I will be a supporter. We will be calling the racist/prejudice for what they are a bane to America.

Its there karma!

The FBI site doesnt even have Hispanic as a category in their report on crime by race!
Does that mean that Hispanics dont commit crimes, or is it a better tell that those statistics are kept seperate and away from public view?

I believe, but I can only point to coincidences as proof, that the report labled FBI is part of the actual missing statistics!

Until either someone from the FBI denies them out right, or one of these bleeding hearts can prove them fake by some other source, I will continue to follow my common sense, which tells me, that indeed these fiqures are accurate!

By a margin of 68 to 25, Americans support crackdowns on illegal immigrants, and 1,000 of them told a nationwide telephone poll conducted February 22 to 26. The poll was conducted by Susquehanna Polling and Research, a Pennsylvania firm.

Respondents were asked whether they support local ordinances recently passed in Hazleton, Pennsylvania that would suspend business licenses of employers who hire illegal aliens, penalize landlords who rent to illegal aliens with fines and make English the official language. “This poll shows we need to turn to our elected officials at the local level to take action on this issue, and not rely solely on the federal government to solve this problem,” said Hazelton Mayor Barletta.

The poll confirms that by a 67-26 margin, Americans would support an ordinance similar to Hazleton’s in their own communities. According to the survey, 61 percent don’t believe beefed-up border patrols, federal raids on businesses or other efforts that have been publicized recently are helping stem the flow of illegal immigrants, while only 6 percent believe they are helping “a lot” and 23 percent believe they are helping “a little.”

Results show broad-based majority support among many types of voters including those who identify themselves as Republicans (80 percent), Democrats (56 percent), Independents 68 percent), both males and females (68 percent), voters in all age groups and in all geographic regions of the country.

Good luck with that Dragoness!!!

Take note that SOME figures come from FBI records and others from other sources. It is NOT an FBI report. It is a report compiled from various sources on a SELECT study group.




"The former Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that as of
January 2000 the total unauthorized immigrant population residing in
the United States was 7 million.[Footnote 1] This total includes those
who entered the United States illegally and those who entered legally
but overstayed their authorized period of stay. A more recent study
estimated that there were about 10 million illegal aliens living in the
United States as of March 2005.[Footnote 2] The study estimated that
nearly 700,000 aliens entered the United States illegally or overstayed
their authorized period of stay each year between 2000 and 2004. Some
illegal aliens in the United States have been arrested and incarcerated
in federal and state prisons and local jails, adding to already
overcrowded prisons and jails. "


Note the estimated number of illegals






"Results:

The briefing slides in enclosure I address each of our three questions.
In summary, for our study population of 55,322 illegal aliens, we found
that:

* They were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about
8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-
eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent
(about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about
15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after
1990. "

Compared to estimated number of illegals this is a small study group of known (already have records) illegals.






To obtain information to answer these objectives, we identified a
population of 55,322 aliens that the U.S. Immigration and Customs
Enforcement (ICE) in the Department of Homeland Security determined,
based upon information in its immigration databases, had entered the
country illegally and were still illegally in the country at the time
of their incarceration in federal or state prison or local jail during
fiscal year 2003. We then analyzed selected data contained in the
criminal history record, commonly referred to as the rap sheet, of
these illegal aliens maintained within the Federal Bureau of
Investigation's (FBI) Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification
System (IAFIS).[Footnote 5] To assess the reliability of immigration
databases used to make the determination about an alien's legal status,
we discussed internal control processes for ensuring data quality with
responsible ICE staff and found the data to be reliable for purposes of
this report. To assess the reliability of IAFIS data, we discussed the
data collection methods and internal control processes for ensuring
data quality with responsible FBI staff and reviewed relevant policies
and procedures. IAFIS may not contain all of the arrests for the
illegal aliens in our study population since seven states report only
their first arrest to the FBI. Subsequent arrest data is available only
from the state's criminal history record system. While the magnitude of
any undercount is unknown, we found that the data we used for our
analyses were sufficiently reliable for the purposes of this report.



Again it is mentioned that the study group is of known illegals with a criminal background (ie: outside of just being in the country illegally)




Taken straight from link you provided Fanta.