Topic: Marines Going Gender Neutral
msharmony's photo
Thu 01/07/16 10:13 AM
human lives are equal

but individuals have different strengths and weaknesses

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Thu 01/07/16 10:25 AM
Edited by RebelArcher on Thu 01/07/16 10:25 AM

human lives are equal

but individuals have different strengths and weaknesses
Yep....and women have strengths that apply somewhere...just not in a Marine Corps Infantry unit.....unless its an all female Marine Corps infantry unit. Of course, THAT infantry unit wouldnt be as effective as an all male infantry unit.

The basic PT tests for men and women are even different.....hell, females dont even fo pull ups...they do a flexed arm hang.
http://m.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-pft-charts

mightymoe's photo
Thu 01/07/16 10:27 AM


human lives are equal

but individuals have different strengths and weaknesses
Yep....and women have strengths that apply somewhere...just not in a Marine Corps Infantry unit.....unless its an all female Marine Corps infantry unit. Of course, THAT infantry unit wouldnt be as effective as an all male infantry unit.

The basic PT tests for men and women are even different.....hell, females dont even fo pull ups...they do a flexed arm hang.
http://m.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-pft-charts


thats what happens when liberals are in charge of things...

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 01/07/16 10:34 AM

human lives are equal

but individuals have different strengths and weaknesses

obviously you do not understand the Logistics involved!

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/07/16 10:42 AM
involved in WHAT exactly?


Conrad_73's photo
Thu 01/07/16 11:10 AM

involved in WHAT exactly?



you really need to do some research into what is involved to create and maintain an efficient Fighting-Force!
Sheesh!

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/07/16 11:20 AM


involved in WHAT exactly?



you really need to do some research into what is involved to create and maintain an efficient Fighting-Force!
Sheesh!



whats that to do with my belief that humans are equal? which was the quote referenced,,,,,

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Thu 01/07/16 11:28 AM
Edited by RebelArcher on Thu 01/07/16 11:30 AM



human lives are equal

but individuals have different strengths and weaknesses
Yep....and women have strengths that apply somewhere...just not in a Marine Corps Infantry unit.....unless its an all female Marine Corps infantry unit. Of course, THAT infantry unit wouldnt be as effective as an all male infantry unit.

The basic PT tests for men and women are even different.....hell, females dont even fo pull ups...they do a flexed arm hang.
http://m.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-pft-charts


thats what happens when liberals are in charge of things...
Well...liberals do want us to think we are all equal in every phase of life. Its just not true. Im still waiting for someone to answer your sports question....Ill help em a bit...

A few mens and womens track and field world records...

Mens 100m. 9.58
Womens. 10.49

Mens 200m. 19.19
Womens. 21.34

Mens 400m. 43.18
Womens. 47.60

Mens 800. 1:40.91
Womens. 1:53.28

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/07/16 11:40 AM
I did answer

I said MEN made the rules

its like using the fact that in the middle east women cant drive as proof that they are therefore bad drivers,,,lol

because a rule has been implemented isn't proof that the rule has good reason

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Thu 01/07/16 11:48 AM

I did answer

I said MEN made the rules

its like using the fact that in the middle east women cant drive as proof that they are therefore bad drivers,,,lol

because a rule has been implemented isn't proof that the rule has good reason
Who are you answering? Conrad or my post above? If the latter, its a ridiculous answer....not surprising, but ridiculous, just the same.

tulip2633's photo
Thu 01/07/16 11:57 AM
I think a problem arises when the woman is captured and inevitably, repeatedly raped. The enemy, these days, has a very low opinion of women.

Do both genders get training for that situation?

mightymoe's photo
Thu 01/07/16 11:59 AM

I think a problem arises when the woman is captured and inevitably, repeatedly raped. The enemy, these days, has a very low opinion of women.

Do both genders get training for that situation?


never came up when i was in... "rape" was a hush hush word, nobody even said it...

tulip2633's photo
Thu 01/07/16 12:06 PM




laugh

Sure hope that Package(s) is for me!laugh pitchfork


You know it, Conrad, my sweetie!

drinks

tulip2633's photo
Thu 01/07/16 12:09 PM


I think a problem arises when the woman is captured and inevitably, repeatedly raped. The enemy, these days, has a very low opinion of women.

Do both genders get training for that situation?


never came up when i was in... "rape" was a hush hush word, nobody even said it...


I think it can put a whole unit in jeopardy. Then the focus turns to saving her and away from the battlefield.

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/07/16 12:37 PM


I did answer

I said MEN made the rules

its like using the fact that in the middle east women cant drive as proof that they are therefore bad drivers,,,lol

because a rule has been implemented isn't proof that the rule has good reason
Who are you answering? Conrad or my post above? If the latter, its a ridiculous answer....not surprising, but ridiculous, just the same.


Im responding to this posted statement in the response above mine


'Im still waiting for someone to answer your sports question....Ill help em a bit...'

PacificStar48's photo
Thu 01/07/16 12:51 PM
Edited by PacificStar48 on Thu 01/07/16 01:15 PM


This sexist/homophobic garbage is so much tripe it would be funny if it were not so ridiculous.

There are a lot of qualities that determine fitness for duty and who could and should be in in a combat theater and the best professional to do the job. Size and brute strength has not been and never will be the single factor; and if that were the case some of the smaller size male Marines would have never been in the Ranks either.

Those who think that men and women can not train together, fight together, and yes live together with out sexualizing each other are the same kind of perverts that say the few that use sexual abuse of children as and irresistible urge as justification. Many men, and women, understand the sacrifices of privacy in situations they either choose to serve together or are forced to by circumstances to endure and just as often over come the enemy. Are they aware of gender, well duh yea, but so are the those who have served for generations and were attracted to same gender and did not act on that either. At least at not such a level as to impede the mission. And those in command and leadership positions will tell you, any day of the week, it is not the gender of the soldier but their ability to put the mission first.

I dare say, from experience, that it does not downgrade the ability of either gender; except for those few bad apples that want it to be used for their own selfish advantage over others. And in fact actually make the units stronger both mentally and physically. And in some ways smaller soldiers weather male or female are actually better at certain tactics, and surviving certain situations. This has been proven historically over and over. In militias all over the world.

If you actually have been in real combat or life and death situations females are just as fierce and just as capable as males to resist and overwhelm as men.

I dare say I am a much better marksman, able to defend myself by tactics and self defense/attack/survival skills as the majority of men. And I know my ability to think and survive my situation on my wits, stamina, cunning, and experience is better than many men.



I can run faster than you
I am stronger than you
I can carry more weight further than you
That is fact. sorry your liberal pysche is hurt..

"" WASHINGTON — A Marine Corps study that
found all-male ground combat units more
effective than teams that included women
has raised new concerns about the
Pentagon's push to open all jobs to women
next year.
A summary of results released Thursday from
the unprecedented study showed that all-male
ground combat squads were faster, stronger
and more lethal in most cases than units that
included women.The women also suffered
higher injury rates during physically demanding
training.""
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/10/marine-study-finds-all-male-infantry-units-outperformed-teams-women/71971416/


....deal with it.


rofl All I can say is you probably do not want to stake your life on that statement. You would not be the first or the last to have had to eat crow when I proved that to be a lie. And yes some of them at the time were infantry elite that were bigger and more experienced.

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Thu 01/07/16 01:06 PM



I did answer

I said MEN made the rules

its like using the fact that in the middle east women cant drive as proof that they are therefore bad drivers,,,lol

because a rule has been implemented isn't proof that the rule has good reason
Who are you answering? Conrad or my post above? If the latter, its a ridiculous answer....not surprising, but ridiculous, just the same.


Im responding to this posted statement in the response above mine


'Im still waiting for someone to answer your sports question....Ill help em a bit...'

Ah ok....so youre answer to why mens and womens sports are separated is because men make the rules?
Lets look at one my examples then....the 100m sprint.
There is a line you stand behind...there is another line 100 meters away. When someone fires the atart gun, you take off and a stopwatch is started. When you cross the 2nd line, the stopwatch is stopped and your time is recorded. WHAT THE FRICK DOES IS MATTER WHO MADE THE RULES?! laugh

Btw, your driving comment....Danica Patrick has some of the best NASCAR equipment in the sport....still hasnt won a race lol

She probably could though....in time. In fact, women do great things...alot of them better than men....its just that being in an infantry unit aint one of em.

PacificStar48's photo
Thu 01/07/16 01:11 PM

I think a problem arises when the woman is captured and inevitably, repeatedly raped. The enemy, these days, has a very low opinion of women.

Do both genders get training for that situation?


Rape is something that always get thrown up as the ultimate reason women can not serve.

That kind of skips over the fact that many women have survived rape even before they are of service age.

Or while they are in the service; sometimes at the hands of their own comrades in arms. I might add with out putting prosecution or self vindication over the mission.

Or the fact that soldiers, yes even male soldiers, are raped in training and field situations. It is no more or less damaging to them than women. They can and do have similar injuries, can be placed at the same risks for infection, and the same stigma.

Unless you factor in that forced sodomy often does more physical/psychological damage to either gender. Either act when done against the will of the victim is considered rape.

Daniel74126's photo
Thu 01/07/16 02:22 PM

This sexist/homophobic garbage is so much tripe it would be funny if it were not so ridiculous.

There are a lot of qualities that determine fitness for duty and who could and should be in in a combat theater and the best professional to do the job. Size and brute strength has not been and never will be the single factor; and if that were the case some of the smaller size male Marines would have never been in the Ranks either.

Those who think that men and women can not train together, fight together, and yes live together with out sexualizing each other are the same kind of perverts that say the few that use sexual abuse of children as and irresistible urge as justification. Many men, and women, understand the sacrifices of privacy in situations they either choose to serve together or are forced to by circumstances to endure and just as often over come the enemy. Are they aware of gender, well duh yea, but so are the those who have served for generations and were attracted to same gender and did not act on that either. At least at not such a level as to impede the mission. And those in command and leadership positions will tell you, any day of the week, it is not the gender of the soldier but their ability to put the mission first.

I dare say, from experience, that it does not downgrade the ability of either gender; except for those few bad apples that want it to be used for their own selfish advantage over others. And in fact actually make the units stronger both mentally and physically. And in some ways smaller soldiers weather male or female are actually better at certain tactics, and surviving certain situations. This has been proven historically over and over. In militias all over the world.

If you actually have been in real combat or life and death situations females are just as fierce and just as capable as males to resist and overwhelm as men.

I dare say I am a much better marksman, able to defend myself by tactics and self defense/attack/survival skills as the majority of men. And I know my ability to think and survive my situation on my wits, stamina, cunning, and experience is better than many men.




Very well put Star!

Daniel74126's photo
Thu 01/07/16 02:27 PM


You know, I would LOVE for you to meet a few friends of mine (all female) who served in front line type positions (such as with marine infantry units). Everyone is entitled their individual opinion, but you really do need to wake up and realize that you are in the 21st century now, not the dark ages. Discrimination IS being put to rest, slowly but surely, this is not going to stop.


Well, I spent my time in Paris Island, combat training and Camp Lejeune and there was a reason the men and women were separated. Don't get me wrong, the woman trained hard, that is for sure. And they were tough as they could be. But fact is they would get there *** kicked in the hand to hand combat training if the training was male / Female.Which would more the likely mean failure on the battle field, which in turn leads to death.. for her. And it puts the other Marines in danger.

PC... No... Fact... yes.




pc... no. Fact... no.

REAL fact... women are required to show initial capability prior to entrance, just as men are. During training, they go up against both men and women (and have since before I was in). If they could not handle themselves and pass the training? They are discharged for not meeting standards, just like the men.

Real Fact 2.. if any of us men hurt another soldier during training by not having ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CONTROL of ourselves, we faced disciplinary action from extra duty on up to jail time and dishonorable discharge (same thing if a woman did nto control herself and hurt someone)