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Topic: Marines Going Gender Neutral
Daniel74126's photo
Thu 01/07/16 10:46 PM





I think a problem arises when the woman is captured and inevitably, repeatedly raped. The enemy, these days, has a very low opinion of women.

Do both genders get training for that situation?





What makes you think the men don't get raped? I won't argue that a woman has a higher chance of that happening than a man, but trust me, it has happened and far more often than you would think; and for all the very same reasons that women get raped (not physical pleasure).

there is NO training that can be given to prepare ANY person for the possibility of rape, outside of raping the person yourself.

You also say "inevitably" raped. I hate to burst your bubble, but if you look at the captured female soldiers (or non military females that are captured and held as hostages) there have been very few, rapes. Again, I won't say it has never happened, but it is still extremely rare.

You need to stop listening to horror stories and start looking for facts. One of which is very simply, more female soldiers are raped by our own men than they are by the enemy. And the answer to resolve that is transparency and punishment for the rapist, not the victim.


You are reading way too much into my personal OPINION. I find it pointless to respond to you.

Not that I couldn't slam you to the ground with a response; I'm just not up to it.

:laughing:





First, I have to ask, why the aggression? I have done nothing to warrant aggression from you or anyone else ;-)

As far as your comment that I am reading too into your personal opinion and then refusal to say how, I will ask specifically, how am I reading too much into your personal opinion?

Your opinion very specifically states that there is a problem when a woman is captured and eventually raped, as if it only happens to women and happens all the time. You also ask if both genders receive training on how to deal with rape (which I understood to be training on how to deal with it before it has happened), which I explained there is no such thing.

Finally, you say you feel it is pointless to respond to me (and then get aggressive), but in the end you did respond (in a way)...

So I am asking, how am I reading too much into your opinion?



Totally not reading that.

rofl rofl rofl rofl


And yet you obviously read it to know that I asked you for an explanation ;-)

Daniel74126's photo
Thu 01/07/16 10:50 PM

"woman is walking down the sidewalk in a two piece bikini (yes, I am going here). A guy sees her, can not control himself when he is aroused by all that flesh she is displaying and takes her into an alley where he rapes her. My question is this:

Who is at fault? The woman wearing the bikini? or the man who can not control himself and forces her to do something she does not want to do? Who do we hold accountable for the rape?"

Dann this ^^^^ may be the most sexist comment I ever seen. Talk about 'blame the victim'

Hell..I am out of here & abandoning my own thread.


Bye now waving


Please explain how this is sexist? The definition of sexist is to very simply claim, act or behave in a manner that promotes one gender (sex) being better than another. Now, if you mean the fact that rape victims tend to be treated as if they are the ones at fault is sexist, I have to agree with you.

However, since I used it as a correlation between blaming the rape victim for getting raped and blaming would be women infantrymen for men who can not behave appropriately, no it is not sexist. I specifically stated also that BOTH are wrong and the one to blame is the one that is misbehaving (which in both cases is not the woman). I also stated that the one at fault should be disciplined for it (prison for the rapist, discharge for the infantry person)

tulip2633's photo
Thu 01/07/16 10:51 PM






I think a problem arises when the woman is captured and inevitably, repeatedly raped. The enemy, these days, has a very low opinion of women.

Do both genders get training for that situation?





What makes you think the men don't get raped? I won't argue that a woman has a higher chance of that happening than a man, but trust me, it has happened and far more often than you would think; and for all the very same reasons that women get raped (not physical pleasure).

there is NO training that can be given to prepare ANY person for the possibility of rape, outside of raping the person yourself.

You also say "inevitably" raped. I hate to burst your bubble, but if you look at the captured female soldiers (or non military females that are captured and held as hostages) there have been very few, rapes. Again, I won't say it has never happened, but it is still extremely rare.

You need to stop listening to horror stories and start looking for facts. One of which is very simply, more female soldiers are raped by our own men than they are by the enemy. And the answer to resolve that is transparency and punishment for the rapist, not the victim.


You are reading way too much into my personal OPINION. I find it pointless to respond to you.

Not that I couldn't slam you to the ground with a response; I'm just not up to it.

:laughing:





First, I have to ask, why the aggression? I have done nothing to warrant aggression from you or anyone else ;-)

As far as your comment that I am reading too into your personal opinion and then refusal to say how, I will ask specifically, how am I reading too much into your personal opinion?

Your opinion very specifically states that there is a problem when a woman is captured and eventually raped, as if it only happens to women and happens all the time. You also ask if both genders receive training on how to deal with rape (which I understood to be training on how to deal with it before it has happened), which I explained there is no such thing.

Finally, you say you feel it is pointless to respond to me (and then get aggressive), but in the end you did respond (in a way)...

So I am asking, how am I reading too much into your opinion?



Totally not reading that.

rofl rofl rofl rofl


And yet you obviously read it to know that I asked you for an explanation ;-)


No I didn't.

:banana:


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Wed 02/10/16 05:15 AM
Republicans Failed To Scream At The Lunacy Of Drafting Women

http://nypost.com/2016/02/08/republicans-fail-to-scream-at-the-lunacy-of-drafting-women/

Rich Lowry

It's far too soon to count Trump out
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In the blink of an eye, we’ve gone from opening combat jobs to women to Republican presidential candidates endorsing registering women for a draft.

Hide your daughters — our deluded and cowardly political elites are a clear and present danger to common sense.

A proposal from the chief of staff of the Army and the commandant of the Marine Corps to require that women register with the Selective Service seemed at first like an effort to highlight the absurd end point of the rush to put women in combat, but top Republicans duly saluted and fell in line.

Asked about the proposal at the recent Republican debate, Marco Rubio said that “Selective Service should be opened up for both men and women in case a draft is ever instituted.” He makes it sound as though women would completely miss out should a large-scale conventional war break out and they not be compelled to fight in it through the coercive power of the state.

Chris Christie agreed. So did Jeb Bush, who gamely — and cluelessly — added that “we should not impose any kind of political agenda on the military.”

Of course, a political agenda — namely the insistence there is no meaningful difference between men and women, even when it comes to military combat — is the entire point.

The same people who tend to think that college girls need safe spaces to protect them from unwelcome speech profess to believe that their ranks are bristling with the likes of Lyudmila Pavlichenko, the legendary Soviet World War II sniper.

They are indulged in this illusion by men with ribbons on their chests who should know better. The US military doesn’t exist to satisfy the whims of the board of directors of the Ms. Foundation. Its job is to field a force that is most effective at winning the nation’s wars.

In an extensive study, the US Marine Corps concluded that mixed-gender units fail by that test, although no one is inclined to take note.

The Marine study compared all-male and mixed-gender units and concluded that women in mixed-gender units “were injured twice as often as men, less accurate with infantry weapons, and not as good at removing wounded troops from the battlefield.”

The physical capacity of the sexes is different, and top-end females tend to be only as capable as the lower-end males. The males in the Marine study averaged 178 pounds, with 20 percent body fat, whereas females were 142 pounds with 24 percent body fat.

The top 25 percent of females in anaerobic power overlapped with the bottom 25 percent of males; the top 10 percent of females in anaerobic capacity overlapped with the bottom 50 percent of males.

The physical disadvantage meant that women were more likely to be fatigued and suffer stress fractures. Women were six times more likely to be injured in entry-level training than males.

The rejoinder to such inconvenient facts is always that the Russians and the Israelis deployed or deploy women in combat. But this is much too simplistic.

Lyudmila the sniper was an exception. According to a study for the School of Advanced Military Studies at Fort Leavenworth, even under the extreme pressure of the Nazi invasion, women were only 8 percent of the Red Army, and largely served as medics or otherwise in medical care.

As for the Israelis, women initially fought with the Haganah guerrilla force prior to the creation of the Jewish state. But they were pulled back over time.

“Generally,” the Fort Leavenworth study notes, “because of their comparative lack of physical strength, commanders employed women in defensive operations whenever possible.”

Today, as the New York Times notes in a report on gender integration of the Israel Defense Forces, “it remains rare for women to kill or be killed.”

It is evidently too much to ask that reality intrude on the polite fictions of this country’s policy-makers.
Rich Lowry

It's far too soon to count Trump out
Behind the 'angry' voters: the crisis of America's working class
GOP insiders show their true colors by rolling over for Trump
Ted Cruz v. King Corn — one righteous fight
The battle for the Republican soul

In the blink of an eye, we’ve gone from opening combat jobs to women to Republican presidential candidates endorsing registering women for a draft.

Hide your daughters — our deluded and cowardly political elites are a clear and present danger to common sense.

A proposal from the chief of staff of the Army and the commandant of the Marine Corps to require that women register with the Selective Service seemed at first like an effort to highlight the absurd end point of the rush to put women in combat, but top Republicans duly saluted and fell in line.

Asked about the proposal at the recent Republican debate, Marco Rubio said that “Selective Service should be opened up for both men and women in case a draft is ever instituted.” He makes it sound as though women would completely miss out should a large-scale conventional war break out and they not be compelled to fight in it through the coercive power of the state.

Chris Christie agreed. So did Jeb Bush, who gamely — and cluelessly — added that “we should not impose any kind of political agenda on the military.”

Of course, a political agenda — namely the insistence there is no meaningful difference between men and women, even when it comes to military combat — is the entire point.

The same people who tend to think that college girls need safe spaces to protect them from unwelcome speech profess to believe that their ranks are bristling with the likes of Lyudmila Pavlichenko, the legendary Soviet World War II sniper.

They are indulged in this illusion by men with ribbons on their chests who should know better. The US military doesn’t exist to satisfy the whims of the board of directors of the Ms. Foundation. Its job is to field a force that is most effective at winning the nation’s wars.

In an extensive study, the US Marine Corps concluded that mixed-gender units fail by that test, although no one is inclined to take note.

The Marine study compared all-male and mixed-gender units and concluded that women in mixed-gender units “were injured twice as often as men, less accurate with infantry weapons, and not as good at removing wounded troops from the battlefield.”

The physical capacity of the sexes is different, and top-end females tend to be only as capable as the lower-end males. The males in the Marine study averaged 178 pounds, with 20 percent body fat, whereas females were 142 pounds with 24 percent body fat.

The top 25 percent of females in anaerobic power overlapped with the bottom 25 percent of males; the top 10 percent of females in anaerobic capacity overlapped with the bottom 50 percent of males.

The physical disadvantage meant that women were more likely to be fatigued and suffer stress fractures. Women were six times more likely to be injured in entry-level training than males.

The rejoinder to such inconvenient facts is always that the Russians and the Israelis deployed or deploy women in combat. But this is much too simplistic.

Lyudmila the sniper was an exception. According to a study for the School of Advanced Military Studies at Fort Leavenworth, even under the extreme pressure of the Nazi invasion, women were only 8 percent of the Red Army, and largely served as medics or otherwise in medical care.

As for the Israelis, women initially fought with the Haganah guerrilla force prior to the creation of the Jewish state. But they were pulled back over time.

“Generally,” the Fort Leavenworth study notes, “because of their comparative lack of physical strength, commanders employed women in defensive operations whenever possible.”

Today, as the New York Times notes in a report on gender integration of the Israel Defense Forces, “it remains rare for women to kill or be killed.”

It is evidently too much to ask that reality intrude on the polite fictions of this country’s policy-makers.

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Thu 02/11/16 05:25 AM
this reminds me of the shower scene in Starship Troopers, where the male and females are showering together... I'd join the marines if i could shower with Denise Richards...drool drool

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