Marine Corps boot camp, job titles to be gender neutral by April.

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In a Jan. 1 memo to Marine Commandant Gen. Robert Neller, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus requested a "detailed plan" on how the service will fully integrate its boot camp and Officer Candidate School. The plan is due Jan. 15 and will be implemented by April 1, the memo states.
"The Department of the Navy's implementation plan must include gender integration of Marine Corps enlisted recruit training and officer candidate school," Mabus wrote. "In this submission, identify where, if anywhere, this training is already integrated, where it is separate, and specific steps that you will take to fully integrate these trainings."
In a second memo from Mabus to Neller on the same day, the SecNav directed the Marine Corps to conduct a full review of its military occupational specialty titles in an effort to ensure that they are gender neutral.


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"As we achieve full integration of the force ... this is an opportunity to update the position titles and descriptions themselves to demonstrate through this language that women are included in these MOSs," Mabus wrote. "Please review the position titles throughout the Marine Corps and ensure that they are gender-integrated as well, removing 'man' from the titles and provide a report to me as soon as is practicable and no later than April 1, 2016."

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A Navy official said that the service received a similar memo pertaining to its MOS titles and descriptions. Mabus doesn't intend to require iconic titles like "infantryman," "rifleman" or "midshipman" to be changed, however, according to the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
"The idea is not to go in there and change the name when 'man' is incorporated as part of the term," the official said. "... But when the word 'man' appears as a separate word ... they want that name to be changed."
Examples of some of those titles in the Marine Corps include reconnaissance man, fire support man and field artillery sensor support man. In those cases, the official said it's possible the "man" could just be dropped from the names.
Marine officials have confirmed receipt of both letters.
Lt. Col. Eric Dent, Neller's spokesman, said the Marine Corps is "working diligently to meet the intent of the Secretary of Defense's policy." The Marine Corps delivered its implementation plan to Mabus and Defense Secretary Ash Carter last month, Dent added, and it's now being reviewed by a Defense Department working group.

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Each of the military services was required to present that plan by Jan. 1. The Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps' plans were to include "timelines for integrating newly opened occupations and positions using their existing recruiting, accession, training, and assignment procedures," according to a Defense Department memo.
Since Mabus' memo on integrating boot camp wasn't sent until after that deadline, a Marine official said the Corps' plan didn't include details on changing its entry-level training. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity called Mabus' 15-day deadline to come up with a plan to integrate Marine boot camp "an aggressive timeframe."
"It requires a look at ... how much personnel to bring, how many drill instructors to bring, the leadership and support cadre that comes along with that," the Marine said. "The barracks in San Diego are H-shaped, for example, so you can see everything that's going on. If women are living in them, do you black out the windows or make an entire building that's theirs? Do you do a floor for men and a floor for women?"

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While male and female Marine officer candidates have trained together for years, the service remains the only military branch to segregate its enlisted trainees. Female recruits only attend Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island, South Carolina, where they live and train separately from their male counterparts there.
Marine officials have long touted the benefits to this model as it allows for intense mentoring between female drill instructors and the women in their charge. But critics say it can backfire with female recruits not being held to the same physical standards as their male counterparts.
It's not immediately clear whether the Marine Corps' West Coast recruit depot could also open to women in coming months, but Mabus wrote that simply having Marines training on the same grounds won't cut it.
"Co-location does not meet the requirement for gender integrated training," he wrote.

I am SO sick of this POS Cry-Baby-In-Chief and his PC bull$hit.
Any single combat billet filled by a woman leaves out a MAN who is stronger, faster, and has more stamina...and, thus, degrades the unit...period! Its a biological fact.
And I wont even go into erosion of unit cohesion when 18-20 something HORNY men and women start cohabitating on the battlefied.
Women DO have a place in our military and Marine Corps...but it AINT in a Marine Corps Infantry unit.

Frick Roy Mabus, frick Obama, and frick ANY congressmen and senators...GOP ones especially...for not, right now, stomping Mabus's guts out over this PC and Social Justice fricking horse$hit! Leave the GOTTDAM Marine Corps alone!

I agree

you left out the horny gay 18-20 yo's...

Good frickin point!!

You know, I would LOVE for you to meet a few friends of mine (all female) who served in front line type positions (such as with marine infantry units). Everyone is entitled their individual opinion, but you really do need to wake up and realize that you are in the 21st century now, not the dark ages. Discrimination IS being put to rest, slowly but surely, this is not going to stop.

if you're thinking discrimination is going to stop, you're in for a surprise... it won't, ever...

You think what I posted is discrimination? No, its simple, biological fact....men are more physically oriented to infantry style combat than women are....Sure, there may be the rare exception....but that rare exception is taking a spot that should be occupied by a stronger, faster man. Our military shouldnt be used as a proving ground for some social justice theory. Anyone that thinks that is disingenuous or agenda driven....and since that "21st century" crap was brought up, Im going with you being agenda driven.
And note....I didnt say there wasnt a place for women in our military...just not a place where they should take a better, physically qualified mans spot.

Hell....maybe Im being to hard on you....maybe you have some Starship Troopers shower scene fantasy....please keep that $hit in the Army.

Well there goes the neighborhood..

This isn't about discrimination it is about setting up another fiasco.

obarry seems to be working hard at fiascos...

Of course he is, he is running out of time.
Hi Moe

your right, i was not completely correct in my assessment. You're also a classic sexist (I wills top here before I get myself in trouble with the moderators). The problem with people like yourself, is that you think you are better than anyone who does not fit your mold or your idea of how things should be. In the case of this discussion you have completely insulted women of all Nations and Cultures and you have also made yourself look extremely childish.

you state, a woman has a place in the military but it's one that YOU handpick for her. That she is not good enough to perform in an infantry setting, simply because she is not built the same way you are. You also in prior statements bring up hormones of both genders and phrase yourself in such a manner as to suggest that our military members are unable to control themselves when presented with someone of the opposite gender.

I apologize Sitka if you think I was saying the gender integration is discriminitory. That was not what I meant at all. I was referring to very specific remarks made by another poster who WAS talking in a highly discriminitive and sexist manner

Um...no...its a place her abilities pick for her...and physicality is owned by males....again, deal with it. Women ARE physically weaker than men...period. And...AGAIN....our armed forces ARENT the place to conduct some social experiment...which is ALL this "women in combat" thing is.

Tell your assumptions to Obama...maybe yall can cry together....

let's see what happens when a woman kicks you square between the legs. let's see who the "weaker" one is then, shall we? Every single one of us has traits and abilities that differentiate us from our neighbor. These differences are what make us stronger as a whole and more capable of standing our ground when need be.

When you build a road, you build it from several different materials all mixxed together in order to hold the road together through the stress and strain of being driven on. The same thing goes for our armed forces. You disregard what a woman can bring to the line with her simply because she is "weaker than you" and you are going to be in for a world of hurt eventually.

A persons ability to do the job compared to another person is not based off of their ability to lift 200 pounds or how long they can last. Yes, certain jobs require minimum standards to perform them; but these are minimum standards that are set for ALL CITIZENS, not just men or not just women. The women that apply for, are approved and go through infantry training, receive the same exact training you or I would receive and they are held to the very same standards, which are based on the whole, rather than an arbitrary number. they are based on the minimum amount of exertion and force put out to complete the mission. Men's standards may say %75 percent and womens say .75%, but guess what? They are the same in the end.

If she cant ACTUALLY make it to the line, I dont give two fricks what shes bringing....and her spot is replacing a MAN that CAN bring it.
And again, our country's defense is NOT the place to experiment.

If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scene
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines!

Bye Felicia

really now... so why are ALL sports separated by men and women leagues? don't be shy now, i know you have the answer already...

So simple a reply....yet so perfect