Oh, and, please, will you stop to call me baby in public?
Last time in mail you called me old woman.

Waiting for my buddy, Im going to suggest we make nasty on a stack of bibles

Invisible you said... most paedophiles having sex with young boys are married or divorced. They don't have to be homosexual, just paedophiles.
Ever looked it up in the dictionary?
I think not.

If you looked it up you would have seen that you misspelled it.

I don't think this topic was about whether to let pedophiles into the Boy Scouts. If it were I would have said no to that as well. Imagine that. In any case adults are not allowed to be Boy Scouts.

If you asked whether it would be acceptable to let a an adult be a scout leader I would think you were kidding. Nobody could be so dense as to see no flaw in that idea.

Gay boys in the age range of 11 to 17 are not old enough to qualify as a pedophile, considering the definition is "An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children."

My spelling is as correct as yours, did you look it up?
I will never have a problem to leave a son of mine in the care of a homosexual, I know that they are much more caring than a lot of other people.
I think I made that quite clear.

My spelling is as correct as yours, did you look it up?
I will never have a problem to leave a son of mine in the care of a homosexual, I know that they are much more caring than a lot of other people.
I think I made that quite clear.

Philosopher,

Thanks for your thorough response - I don't have much to add, except:

I wasn't all that serious about co-ed scouting per se, but I am serious that Eagle is treated with special esteem, one of many ways we have gender inequity in our culture. I'm not saying whether or how we should fix it, just saying its there. Few people take the girl scouts highest award as seriously as they take eagle.

Ok - there are sex more pages I've yet to read, but I just had to stop here and comment.

Per Spider:
""I'll summarize this thread for anyone who can't be bothered to read it...

"SpiderCMB offered an essay""

Obviously this thread was given life when Spider responded, which is why any summary must conclude that the thread 'really' began with Spider's comments!!!

Um... I think philosopher is talking about the possible impact of late teenage gays on early teen boys - not the possible impact of adult gays. Do we trust teens to have a mature relationship with their own sexuality, to have restraint?

My concern is not with the cobwebs of a spider, but with the delusion of a philosopher.

I just want sex!!!

Invisible, I don't mind if you want to hand your young boy off to gays for care. That's your choice entirely.

It is hardly delusion for me to have a different opinion in this regard. I'm surprised by your intolerance.

Massage, you've really hit upon the crux of the matter.

I just can't believe that people can't see that there is no difference whether it's a straight person or a gay person. It's not a disease like pedophelia! Heterosexual boys at that age are no different or any safer than gay boys are. Some seem to believe that being gay somehow correlates to being a deviant and that simply isn't true.
I guess keep your heads in the sand, perpetuate the myths, instill the fears and raise yet another generation of hate mongers.
Or educate yourselves.

Your choice.

Thanks, Harry

Hi Andrea

Sorry Kid, I disagree here. Having my 11 year old in the hands of a 17 year old gay boy is not an option. There is definitely a difference.

No hate here, just love for my kid.

Kid, That's my point. How would you approach enrolling three daughters, age 11, 14, 16, in an organization that sent them camping with males the same age? Cautiously? Would you permit your 11yo daughter to share a tent for the weekend with an older teen boy you don't know? Not rhetorical - maybe one would, with faith in her ability to take care of herself. But if someone has doubts about this -kind- of arrangement, involving males, then they are a homophobe?

Redykeulous,

Yes, all threads begin with my post, because I'm so self-absorbed. At least that's what you guys tell me, so it must be true.

Did it ever occur to you that I was just pointing out the ideas represented that I disagree with? NO, of course not. It's just my massive ego again. Of course, you have NOTHING to counter the 79 scientific studies that were done on this subject, so you have to attack me.

Massage, it's more like a fear of the unknown.

This is one of the most disturbing threads I have seen so full of hate and anger it just leaps off the screen. The hate just needs to stop.

Kid,

Are you saying the only reason you might choose not to send your 11yo daughter camping with a group including 'breeder' teen males is fear of the unknown? No better reason?

You say people are treating gays like a disease - maybe others are - but I am treating gay teenagers like teenagers. I don't see it as all or nothing, but it could be cause for caution/concern JUST as it could be with straight teenagers.